SBCmac

I removed my original reply... I've decided not to respond to somone who just babbles... BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...)

Tom, I totally respect what your saying. I have no more to say to Ray. I'm out of crayons ... BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...)

You can't read and your logic is wacked... Just like most of your posts, your reply carries no logic and is complete nonsense. Like I said before, and it sounds like I need to break the crayons for you, I will not apply techniques where they should not be applied, regardless that it's Perrine. You never answered my question Ray... What is the proper, mechanically speaking, delay for a slider parachute jump? If your answer is, what you stated below: Then I simply have no comment because that is the scariest answer I have ever heard on dropzone.com! Who gives a shit about what your “slider-up jump-plan” is if you are jumping from a height that does not allow for a proper delay. Again, as commonly known in BASE, 4sec is the minimum delay recommended for a slider jump, for the pure mechanical reasons behind how a parachute opens with a slider on it… Can someone please run this through the idiot translator? Because I can't read babble... Like I said, I really don't care what you do at Perrine. You can be Ray for all I care! But again... (Imagine me speaking slowly for you Ray. Since you can't read…) My argument is.... When we discuss/analyze injuries and fatalities at Perrine, in dropzone.com, I don't believe we take everything into consideration, including mental preparation going into the jump. I used people using a slider for comfort, not training, at Perrine as an example that demonstrates the complacency that is common at Perrine. Therefore, in conclusion, drawing the correlation between injuries and complacency at Perrine… BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...)

That’s not the my argument here... I’m talking about how we are all puzzled when someone gets hurt at Perrine, when people are not jumping Perrine with the same approach as other objects in BASE. I’m simply drawing the correlation between the approach to jumping Perrine and injuries, rather than simply analyzing on simple technical aspect of how someone died or was injured at Perrine. Furthermore… I really don’t care what you guys do at Perrine; you can fuck a goat on the way down for all I care. Just don’t come on dropzone.com telling everybody that you don’t understand why your pc delayed when you got your goat cheese all over your hands and it affected your pitch… By doing so, you really do a disservice to people trying to learn from you when they read dropzone.com. BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...)

Awesome! Have fun dying... Actually, please continue to do so… It will make a great post when everyone is examining how you died because of some mundane detail, even though you really died because drinking impaired your judgment. BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...)

Well Ray, I don’t get why you can’t read. I stated my reasoning in the prior posts… For you benefit so that you don’t have to read… My point is that you cannot take an appropriate delay with a slider at Perrine, to prevent common slider malfunctions (e.g. line twists). I don’t care how fast some is on the toggles, that’s not my point... It’s the sucking it down on an object without the proper delay to give you a safe slider opening. Or just simply not taking the proper delay period for a slider jump… That's my exact point... None! I will never do it either... Same as burning in... I don't have to actually do it to know that it will kill you... What is an appropriate delay for a slider Ray? And what is the delay until impact at Perrine? Just curious how your’s differs from what is commonly known as an appropriate delay for a slider, 4 sec... I feel that with the (appropriate delay) slider-up off that bridge and even with a off-Heading or a line-twist or both. It is easy to still make a good safe landing on dry land. BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...)

Thanks CanuckInUSA! You're exactly right... I do mean not jumping at altitudes/heights that don't allow the appropriate delay for sliders, regardless of the object (cliff or bridge)... BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...)

Your post does not make any sense… What is your point??? The Bridge Day/ WV bridge is a 876ft bridge, not 485 like Perrine… The height of the WV bridge is high enough to take the appropriate delay… I’m assuming your speaking of the Perrine bridge… If so, I beg to differ… The ratio, slider to slider off, is damn near close to 1:1… “Exception…” Are there some special anti gravity things in place for this special event that the rest of us are not using??? Because I’m pretty damn sure I can still die at these “unique and different” events… Again, what is your point??? BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...)

Just like 460 said... I walk my own line... But I don't come on dropzone.com wondering why I things happen when I knew I was pushing it. Every time I have been hurt in BASE, it was my fault and there was no mystery on how/why it happened. It's not my gear that makes mistake, it's me who is strapped in for the ride that screws up... BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...)

Trust me, I walk the line in BASE… But I take risk in the unknown not the known (e.g. How to properly use a slider.) Again, I don’t care what anyone does… I don’t care if someone doesn’t pull all together. I’m only saying that if you choose not to pull, don’t come on dropzone.com and only analyze why the pc didn’t inflate in your BOC. I’m just saying to analyze the entire picture, and not a single aspect of it… I always laugh when people try to school me… I’m open to learning more in BASE from other, but don’t forget we were living this thing we call life far before we BASE’d. And a lot of people who came into BASE, come from equivalent extreme backgrounds. So just because someone has been in BASE longer does not mean their wiser then the rest of us in regards to evaluating risk! BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...)

OK... Let's definitely exclude Shannon from this... Because I am speaking more to all the incidents that could have been avoided at Perrine, usually because of alcohol and/or high winds were involved. I only posted my thoughts here because it is a good forum for the topic. The reason, I think we're too focused on what she did with her pilot chute at pitch time and not the entire jump. This includes the mental preparation prior to the jump… This is where I totally disagree with you… A 500ft cliff and a 500ft bridge are still 500ft off the ground. This incident was not an object strike… I’m only drawing the correlation between the mentality of using a slider on Perrine and the complacency that it displays. To support that thought… It is well know that even 4 seconds is pushing it with a slider. So yes, not being safe is a personal choice. But if you choose to be unsafe, please don’t come on dropzone.com wondering how the hell you had a malfunction when you know things like a short delay with a slider is down right not safe, no matter the object. Not to mention, you have to admit that Perrine is not respected the way it should be... For example, is there as much drinking at your local objects as there is at Perrine? Or what about the general mentality that Perrine is Disney Land for BASE??? All in all, I’m just saying we should analyze everything about an incident before we conclude it is a matter of time before we all die from a pc mal. I personally believe that a pc mal is preventable or at least can be dealt with by doing the appropriate gear configuration for the given object, therefore giving yourself more time to deal with the pc mal. PC mal’s are no different than 180’s; we need to face them head on by training for them. Meaning, we practice our handles in the airplane before we skydive, so why don’t we practice our pc pitch before every jump? I do it religiously! Not to mention, there is not a jump that I don’t mentally visualize from exit, to pitch, to flight pattern, to flare… Such an extreme sport, as BASE is, demands at least that much respect… Michael BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...)

Thank you so much for posting this... I just asked the question in another post if anyone could count the injuries at TF... http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2280139;#2280139 I can't wait to learn the results... Thanks again for this post! Michael BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...)

First, thank you for this post and reviewing the video Hookitt… I have been in your shoes and its life changing. Just to be clear… The rest of this reply is directed at the post and not directed at you Hookitt… Also, my reply is not necessarily only about Shannon, especially because I was not there nor did I see the video. It is just food for thought… My thought is that I have always been concerned about people jumping sliders at Perrine. The reason I say so is because if it were a cliff we wouldn’t dare do it. So this leads me to beg the question, has the trend of jumping a slider at Perrine lead up to this fatality. Meaning, how close can you take it to down at Perrine and not think your margin for recovery is drastically reduced. Personally, I never jump a slider at Perrine and the only time I take more than a 2 is when I’m doing a gainer. And even when I do gainers, my pitch is still damn close to a 2-2+… Basically I don’t care what the object is; I’ll never intentionally use a slider for anything less than 5 seconds... So to break down what I’m saying… My opinion is that the second you do something for comfort rather than safety in BASE, like put on a slider for a soft opening, you have already made your first mistake. Meaning, just like skydiving, it is usually your sum of your mistakes that lead to your final demise. So why put on a slider and start that slippery slope? Please understand that I do not believe that removing your slider at Perrine will stop/reduce fatalities… What I do believe is that we can at least reduce fatalities/injuries if we approach all objects, even Perrine, with the respect they deserve. Meaning, apply the rules you live by in BASE everywhere you go, especially at Perrine. In my book, Perrine has proved to be the most dangerous object to date… Can we even count all the moderate to serious injuries that have happened at Perrine? I’m willing to bet we can’t! Has a place like Norway even had this many mishaps??? Again, I’m willing to bet no, simply because cliffs naturally demand respect. All in all, out of all the air I just let out… I’m hoping one sentence above sticks in everyone’s mind; “Apply the rules you live by in BASE everywhere you go, especially at Perrine”… Again, just food for thought… Michael edit for thread title ~TA BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...)

Oooooo... See, if you would have stated it was for terminal or wing suit flying, it would have totally made sense... Now that I know where you are coming from, great idea! Michael BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...)

Just a couple of questions... 1) Why did you design the container to extend past the boc/pc? 2) With the said, with the current design, are you not worried about the bridle becoming entangled on the bottom of your container? 3) Overall, what is your goal with your design? Is it a low profile rig? Michael BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...)

Awesome post Nick ... BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...)

astorino... Take no offense to the responses you are getting... Given the nature of our sport, and how many National Forest Rangers like us (sarcasm …), we are not open to give out information. Your best bet is to go to a skydiving drop-zone and try to talk to your local BASE community. That way they can put a face to your questions... Make sense? BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...)

To all, not just NickDG... Please be careful not to have a knee jerk reaction to what happened to Shannon. What I mean is, out of the thousands and thousands of jumps that have gone off the TF’s bridge, let's not start telling new people to be OK with off-headings because of one burble fatality. Granted, NickDG I know you probably mean only the TF bridge, because I know of three spans that I jump that an off heading can/will seriously injure/kill you. So if that is the case, my worry is that most students use TF to learn and it’s going to be hard for them to apply a different throwing technique when it really matters… All in all, I know we are all struggling to understand what happened to Shannon… But realistically, you’ve just got to do the numbers. The TF’s bridge is probably the most jumped object in America. It is bound to see mal’s that we don’t see very often, especially given how many jumpers show up to TF’s for events like Memorial Day. Again just my thoughts… Michael BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...)

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I'm not going to "Come get it"... I'm going to come take it! BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...)

Hey why don't you go jump El Cap again... Oh wait, you executed it like a dumbass and got busted. Oh yeah... Advice coming from someone who turned a building into a cluster-fuck because you guys didn't bring radios or phones. In fact... Do you even know how to scout an object? Or do only jump objects that are handed to you by the Seattle crew? Why don't you get the fuck off your high horse before I knock you off? BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...)

Please see prior post... BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...)

A pretty funny comment coming from someone who pusses out often on offers to go jump Seattle objects… The Seattle crew doesn't cater to pussies… So please, go to Portland… By the way BASE 509… You can stick your number up your ass! Because that’s what it amounts to, a load of shit… BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...)

Hey there KMonster... I like your new Logo on your post... It ROCKS :)... BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...)