lurch

*pokes head into thread, bored, deciding to see if he can contribute to making it the longest most pointless thread in internet history. Notes one flat lizard and is mildly disappointed that nobody has done anything about the hundreds of lizards still stuck all over the walls and ceiling. Apparently nobody perceives the lizards to be a problem. Wonders how long the lizards will remain there, shakes head, withdraws from thread to think up something more entertaining to spice things up...its too quiet in here and lizards are not known for being noisy creatures....starts coming up with ideas of importing mass quantities of howler monkeys....don't they have a thing about monkeys around here anyway? leaves thread with a devilish grin and an ominous chuckle.....* Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

Um, well we got Don's Parachute shop out back, Don and Reed resident riggers, but I have no idea if they're swamped in work with a long wait or easily available... 978-433-8550 will get you the shop, give em a holler. Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

Yeah there is. A few years ago while dealing with a preemployment drug test I handed off the sample and was all like "You want cream and sugar with that"? Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

I went through half a dozen keyboards early on till I found this cheap 20$ basic memorex keyboard. Its bulletproof. withstands massive amounts of cigarette ash, spilled coffee, periodic ballistic cat attacks, dripping solder on it, falling heavy objects, still works like new, looks like shit. Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

We were just SERIOUSLY NOT SUCKING here at Pepperell with 2 loads back to back night jumps thursday night, packed otter full of friends I've grown to know and trust in the last 16 months and 195 jumps since beginning AFF. My (beer) night jumps, with a medium sized city all around, landscape of ten billion lights it was the most insanely spectacularly jaw-droppingly awesome experience imaginable. I'm still in a pleasant shock-daze from it almost 2 days later. to put it crudely IT BLEW MY FUCKING MIND. ...And to think I get to do it again next month too if the weathergods help us out.... Wow..... Have fun kids.... Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

*peeks in, unable to believe the thread still exists. all beat from work he gets a creative idea and summons a plain cardboard box. opening the box he inverts it and small lizards go everywhere. there's a few hundred lizards stuck on the walls and ceiling of the thread and waiting to jump on people when they least expect it. satisfied with the level of silent chaos sure to ensue, lurch fades away once again leaving the problem for the locals to deal with...nuclear weapons didn't work, we'll try lizards.* Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

I just sprayed cheerios marmalade garlic and whipped cream all over my monitor thats the funniest shit i've heard in months..... Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

Why do you believe that 1+1=2? Because someone told you and you believe them. You don't have any proof. oh. and as for this, wrong again. i don't believe it because I was told, i KNOW it because by the accepted definitions of 1, 2, etc, and by what I see with my own eyes, when I put 1 of a thing next to another of that thing I have 2 of those things. You could try to muddy the issue claiming my senses can be deceived with mirrors so I only THINK I see 2 when there's 3 but this is also invalid. Doesn't change the fact that there were 3 of them there it just means due to mirrors my EYES saw 2 images and not the 3 that was there. The sight does not define the reality...the reality defines the sight. Gotta crash...been a long day....I'll be interested to see later if you ever succeed in redefining 2 as = to 3 in a logically sound manner. better sharpen your pencil and crack a gallon of whiskey. have fun. Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

you make one big mistake...101 binary does NOT=101 reality. 101 binary does not MEAN one hundred and one pulses or one hundred and one of anything. it is a code capable of being handled by a binary system which when translated to reality as we perceive it =5. The identity does not depend on a definition that doesn't cross frameworks. Ohayo, (spelled phonetically) is japanese for good morning. If you hear a japanese say that to another do you think they are greeting each other by stating the name of a state in america? Ohio was never mentioned. You might HEAR "Ohio" and think of the state but "Ohio" was neither mentioned nor thought of by either japanese when they greeted each other. When 101 is present at a given address in memory the sum being represented is not one hundred and one. it is 5. you can choose to translate the 5 to 101 but you are simply changing the format and meaning not establishing equality. go ahead and prove 2=3 by that logic. Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

and if you work this backwards and move it up one notch numerically it also proves 23 by reverse implication. Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

take 1. of anything. put it next to another 1 of the same thing. count how many of those things you have. you'll see two, thats (2) of em. that 2 of course being equal to and created by the existence of 2 1's, put together. go ahead and prove 101=5. this I gotta see. Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

Now you could chop your 3 in half by 2 so its even and get 2 1.5's. unevenly cut, you could chop it so one piece is a 1.750 and the other piece is a 1.250, but you still have two of them! you could even chop it way lopsided and get all ornate with it so you get most of a 3 and this little leftover fragment, something like .563980256 and 2.436019744 but you know you just can't get rid of that little bit left over and your bigger piece is still just a bit shy of a 3 so you still get two of em dammit.

1+1=2. 2 is not 3. 3 is 1 more than 2 which makes it different, one count more. 3 divided by 2 cannot =1 no matter how many different ways you divide it unless you chop off 1, in which case you just turned it back into 2. Basic law of definition. If it isn't 2 anymore, if its 2 and 1 more its now 3. 1 being singular of course.

...which is the same order of logic as having faith that 1+1=3 AND 1+1=2 and that both are true, simultaneously. That is simply outside the definition of reality, so anything with that label on it or those kind of contents=unreal. Hey, is this a thread hijack? Sorry, scuse me.... Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

Logically, using sound proofs, prove to me that there is no God. Go ahead. It's a challenge. Nah. That one's easy provided you can agree on what you are defining as "god" The usual definition of god is simple enough: eternal, omnipotent omniscient perfect creator source being, unlimited and all powerful, him to whom all things are possible. That definition is a logical contradiction in terms, an oxymoron, a thing which cannot exist because its existence nullifies itself. The math is most easily expressed in english as a question: Why can't god make a pizza bigger than he can eat? That question breaks the concept of god. If he can make a pizza bigger than he can eat, then he has a pizza he cannot eat which is a limitation, which is in denial of the idea of unlimited god. But if he cannot MAKE that pizza, then that too is a limitation and again the concept is broken on itself. Either way the question carries the implicit logic that you wind up with god-the-not-quite-all-powerful which is once again not in line with the definition of god. You could phrase it differently, why can't god make a planet he can't destroy, why can't god make a universe he can't dismantle, but the math works out the same. any questions? Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

When I disagree with something, or don't necissarily fully agree with something, I like to study it intently. That gives me an indepth understanding of what I disagree with, thus I'm able to form my arguments much better with stronger points. Same here, to a point. I paid attention long enough to build up one hell of a list of things that made no sense and/or conflicted with the rest of objective reality. You could summon all kinds of supposed facts and zillions of volumes of literature all based on subjective beliefs and perceptions supposedly proving beyond all doubt that the earth is flat...Build that pile-o-literature to the height of everest and the complexity of human society won't make it any more sensible or any more true. Earth is still not flat no matter how much complex argument someone puts into proving it is. Go measure it, not flat. Magellan was the first to actually go and DO that, so I heard. Religious assertions even about the mere existence of any of those ideas, god, satan, sin, etc, have even less of a leg to stand on than the flat earthers because there is not even a flat-looking planet to point to to back up the assertions. With anything where "god" is added to the picture the picture suddenly bears no resemblance to objective measurable reality. With measured objective reality there is no end to the cause and effect chain. Everything we can't explain, dig deep enough you'll find the root cause, some physical, measurable phenomenon. Then you have to find the cause of THAT, on and on it goes till you're looking so far back into the first few seconds of the big bang reality itself didn't exist yet to define what the next cause was. The picture literally goes right out of the universe and we can't see any further. The point is the question chains are literally endless whereas with religion and anything claiming to have anything to do with god, the chain ends quite shortly with someone claiming to know the final answer and end to all questions and debate, "god did it/wants it/made it" and thats the end of it. Ever seen that cool effect where you have two or three mirrors facing each other? Infinite receding images? Where exactly is the last one in the chain of images, how big is it and how many images does it go until it stops IS there an end to the chain of images? Claiming to know the nature thought and will of god is like claiming to know with certainty that there is in fact a last image, exactly where the last image is and its properties as well. Any religion (and by any religion I mean any belief system claiming to know of and the properties of the creator of the universe commonly called "god")...any religion using the concept of god is claiming to have certain factual knowledge of that last image and claiming to know all about it, what it wants, all about the end of the chain...Since I know damn well every human out there claiming this knowledge does not have access to the information they claim, it's bullshit no matter how ornate and complex the tale gets. You might as well tell me you know with certainty all about the inhabitants of the fifth planet around aldebaran and what they want me to do, when I know damn well people haven't gone there yet and have no data available besides the knowledge that there's a star there and we can measure its size spectrum age composition and distance. I will say with certainty there is a star there, or at least a bright point I take to BE a star, But I dismiss all claims of detailed knowledge of the properties and wishes of that star coming from people who obviously haven't been there don't have access to the year 3000's version of the hubble which could maybe tell them these things so basically theyre full of shit. I will say there are levels of order beyond human mind resolution which recede fractally so far we can't make it out anymore...I will not claim to know the nature name and wishes of the things beyond that resolution. I find it difficult to respect anyone who does. Call anything beyond that resolution "God" if you must, hell even I do, sometimes...but i cant take seriously an assertion that you know whats there and its an old bearded man wants to torture me for eternity for not kissing his ass in a way that pleases Him and His plans for us. In the universe I see, I see just those infinite receding images farther than I can ever learn or go in twenty lifetimes, and none of my questions end in "god" they end in two more questions about the next level I just succeeded in understanding. -end manifesto mode again dammit -sorry but the subject demanded a well thought out answer. Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

Nope, not religious, BUT I've studied theology pretty damned deeply. Whatever for? Why? Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

Although raised catholic I'm familiar with some of the details on most of the major variations on the judeochristian notions of "god" and there isn't even close to enough difference between any of em to make them any more than variations on the same nonsense. I don't need to consume the contents of all the barrels to know theyre all full of sewage. Slightly different smell and taste than the barrels to the left and to the right that resemble it, still a barrel of.... Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

If you're not religious why did you just try to tell me about god and lucifer and sin as if they were fact? Or were you simply stating the case as a christian would and I misunderstood you? Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

I was raised by catholics and forcefed far more of that self contradictory nonsense than I can stomach. I have the usual atheists' bucket-full-o-logical-arguments shoots more holes in christian theology than a screen door has holes. I could whip it out, I have in the past, but it won't change anything. Religious beliefs are the most logic-resistant notions I've ever come across. You make an assertion of the state of reality based on a number of assumptions you have exactly zero objective evidence to support and cannot specify or quantify... existence of "lucifer" existence of "god" wishes of "god" existence of a state of wrong disharmony with those wishes called "sin" and in the end the argument boils down to "Its all in this book!" Every religious debate I ever took part in ended with my opponent insisting with delightfully circular logic that the book was inspired by god it tells us all about god therefore its all true! it just IS! nah aah, it just IS! Can't argue with that now can we? Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

oh hell that rant was just too damn evil to leave standing. manifesto withdrawn. Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

212,414. I got him hung up in the windshield with his head and arms in the truck and his arms beat the daylights out of his head for 30 seconds. Can repeat this at will. Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

If anyone (hi, tom) from my home dz sees this post I'm probably going to get shit for it later for impatience, but.... I'm at 186 jumps. Fly a sabre2 170, lightly loaded, virtually spinproof. Looking for a BMI within relatively short range of Skydive Pepperell, New England area. Will drive quite a ways if I have to, and in any case it'll be another month or so, maybe more till I think I'm ready to have a whack at it, want to at least hit 200 and a D license first for formality's sake. If I have to I'll wait till next year or as long as I have to but dammit the flightlust is hard to resist. Figured I'd better start shopping ahead of time. PM me or post details/recommendations here please. Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

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*in the last .0036 seconds before detonation lurch reappears with a hollow boom of displaced air and hits another button marked "pause" then hunkers down on the floor next to the nuke. mass destruction can wait...he wants to watch this mime-beating action developing...* Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.