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I believe I mentioned that. Well……yes. That and the law.

Everything happens for a reason. There is a purpose. We are not here by accident. There is design to it all. You may have no idea what effect you have on others based on what’s happened to you. It shouldn’t be “all about us” and should be “all about others.”

I’m assuming that you’re talking about a person whose brain dead and on life support. There’s no consciousness and, therefore, no will to live. That’s different from a person who makes a conscious choice to end their own life or the life of another. My Granddad died of complications due to congestive heart failure. In the end, he was put on life support. He was pronounced brain dead. We were told that he was gone and that it was only the machines operating his organs. We made the decision to cease life support and the rest of his body died. Again, that’s a different situation altogether. Is this where you start going off on a tangent and start making silly comparisons kind of like when you were saying in justification of abortion that it was the same as babies that are unintentionally killed in wartime?

1st Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” The words separation, church, or state aren’t found anywhere in the 1st Amendment. A law prohibiting euthanasia in no way “respects the establishment of a religion” and neither does it prohibit anyone from worshiping how or if they want. The 1st Amendment was not written to remove God from politics. It was written so people could worship how they pleased and wouldn’t be forced to worship in one particular state sponsored way. In essence, it was written so that God should not be taken out of politics. There’s a difference.

I'm sorry you don't like me anymore. Although, I won't be less honest in what I say in order to get or keep friends. We all have pain. We all suffer in different ways. Some physically. Some mentally. Some to more extremes than others. By the way, I never said cowardice. I said selfishness.

Too late. Why, do you believe in God now?

Above & beyond? In a more exteme manner? Whether he/she "really...really wan't it that way badly" or "has thought about it for a very long time" is completely beside the point I'm trying to make.

That's because the literal translation of "kill" from Greek is "murder."

Thought you might... problem is... this hobo doesn't belive he exists. “God doesn’t believe in Atheists.” Eventually, everyone believes in God. Even if it’s after you’ve breathed your last breath. Again, majority rules. Christians are in the majority and shape laws. I guess the Hobo just has to fall under that umbrella. He could kill himself but that doesn’t mean that it’s lawful. When Atheists are in the majority, I guess things will change.

I agree. It would be selfish of me to not want my Grandmother to die in the manner of euthanasia or suicide. It would be selfish on a completely different and higher level, however, for her to deny her loved ones of her presence. The same would go for me if I was to contemplate killing myself and denying myself “for better or for worse” to my wife and kids.

It's hard for me to imagine anyone who lives in a bubble and doesn't affect "someone" else in some form or fashion. But in your imaginary hypothetical situation, I'd say God.

You’re diluting the conversation. Killing has always been around and the right or wrong of it is addressed in the Bible. You’re also picking and choosing from the faith what fits you personally. As with your (Christian?) acceptance of homosexuality. The Bible is very clear on that matter, yet you choose to ignore those parts and revert back to why don’t we all just “love one another?” That’s great and I agree but it doesn’t answer the specifics. It’s more complicated than that. Anything “real” usually is.

That's kinda the point.... what if she hadn't? How would you have coped with that? It would be a monumental shame because I'm living proof of her influence. I know for a fact that others were affected also. Much would have been lost concerning me. I realize that's "selfish" of me but I'm held to the same standard. You never know what or who you affect by what you do, don't do, or can't do. Everything has a purpose.

Listen to your words. "Someone doesn't want" Selfish You can kill yourself. It doesn't have to be condoned by the State, however.

QuoteI do believe life is sacred, but I'm very active, there's a lot of things I like to do and want to do.... if I was unable to do said things, I would see no purpose of living anymore. Selfish

Speak for yourself. This Christian church-going American disagrees with the extension you mave made on that. We have tools; why would God not want us to use them to ease pain and suffering? Job's suffering in the Bible is not the only definition of nobility. Wendy W. Can you find Biblical basis for either euthenasia or suicide? Not that it didn't happen in Biblical times but does God condone it?

My Grandmother had a huge influence in every aspect of my life. Later in life, she developed Alzheimer’s disease. My Dad and his two sisters refused to put her in a nursing home and decided to take care of her themselves during her last years. It got to the point where she couldn’t hardly move at all, couldn’t speak, didn’t know what she was looking at, and we had to continually wipe the drool from the corner of her mouth. Every once in a long while, however, she’d have what we thought were moments of clarity where she’d tell us she loved us or would just get a very big smile on her face when a loved one would walk in the room. Those moments were worth every ounce of effort on our parts. You couldn’t put a price on that. It was a very long and gruesome ordeal. It took years. She was an extremely classy lady earlier in life and the shape that she was in would have disgusted her. She would have most certainly wanted to finish the race, though. When I was a child, she’d improve my reading skills by making me read passages from the Bible. Granted, I didn’t become a Christian until age 29 but the long term influence is what I’m trying to emphasize. She had that effect on many people. I’m sure she affected many in her debilitated state as in her healthy one. Much would have been lost if she’d punched out early on her own accord. There is a purpose in everything.

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Great. I don't. And why does the word "selfish" have a negative conotation anyway? Just because others beliefs say something does not give them the right to force them on me. It was said yesterday the goverment has no business in the bedroom. That's small potatos compared to the goverment having a say in what a person chooses to do with their life. Majority rules brother. The majority of us believe that euthenasia is wrong. Sorry.

That's not legal the way you said it. They'll lose their tax free status. I agree that they do it, however, in subtle ways. It happens on both sides. I'd dare say more so on the Democrat side, though. Maybe I'm wrong. Churches do tend to push the limit sometimes.

Not trying to push God on you and I don't want to hijack the thread but the ~82% of Americans who hold to Judeo-Christian values believe that their lives aren't "truly" their own. We are stewards of the lives we’ve been given. Christians believe that their lives ultimately belong to God. In addition, I just don't see suicide as "dying with dignity." Whatever horrid shape you may be in, I think there's a lot more honor in fighting the battle to the end or finishing the race. I respected Christopher Reeve much more "after" his accident than before and he affected millions around the world in a positive way due to his fight. I think suicide is a very selfish thing.

I agree with you hesitantly. I feel like you’re trying to catch me in something here. No, seriously, I believe that about sums it up. I’m sure we’d differ on how much expression should be allowed and what exactly crosses the line.

There’s a difference between religion controlling government, which I don’t believe many in this country including myself would support, and simply acknowledging God who is inherent in a government like ours founded on Judeo-Christian principles. Also, if the elected leaders are Christian, of course their moral convictions will be reflected in the way they govern. That would also be true of a secular political leader. Secularists want to eliminate God altogether. That’s not what the Founding Fathers intended.

I know a WHOLE BUNCH of Auburn fans that will be watching that game closely. I'm included! I say again... GO AGGIES!!!

Apparently, it's closer to around 82% who identify themselves with Judeo-Christian beliefs. At least, that's the statistic I'm coming up with the most. I don't think it necessarily has to do with whether you vote Democrat or Republican as you suggest with your 51%. Although, I'd guess that there are more Christians who vote Republican these days than not.