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Still no proof coming, I see. Got anything? I thought so.

Nope, you try again. You haven't posted any proof.

Exactly this. People will realise electrics can act as massive battery storage for their home. It will also help meet power demand spikes (like Australia's massive Tesla grid battery).

Where have you been in the past 15 years? Trump was in charge for the past 4 years, and Republicans are STILL in charge of Texas, yet this is the fault of libs? Nice try.

The one important question that hasn't been answered is, "where's the evidence?" It's the Trump campaign's job to come up with the evidence IN COURT, and so far nothing. He lost, get over it.

A lot of the posters above are actually right-leaning, some of them have voted Republican for decades. And I mean the old conservatism. The GOP kneels to only one man now. You mean you only follow the ramblings of one man?

Brent on lockdown: "lockdowns don't stop covid, we should just get back to normal and give up trying to stop covid!" Brent on AGW: (when he's saying that it's happening but not caused by humans) "we can't stop climate change, so we should just give up and keep using fossil fuels!" It's really just him unwilling to change, because the world is changing and he can't stop it, so he's trying to convince us that we can't either. Never met someone who gives up so easily! His basic arguments boil down to the 2 words "give up". I hate lockdowns, and I really wish climate change wasn't a problem, but nope, not going to listen to someone who's already given up.

The first Tesla Roadster was shipped in 2008. Lithium batteries are actually pretty new. You're stuck with a 30 year old discussion not considering the developments for the past 12 years? You need to move on a bit. Wow, you're really attached to fossil fuels huh? The people grounded in reality are the car companies shifting to these, the engineers developing these, investors backing these, and not a random person on a random forum claiming he has "data".

Well given the noxious fumes, I'd expect most dense cities to implement bans of some sort to relegate old cars to the countryside. My city has actually started banning diesels in the central area (and encouraged me to get rid of my diesel) this year. And "foreseeable future" - I know you're old and don't have much more to look forward to, but I'm at least a few decades younger than you so that might explain the difference in perspective. When cars replaced horses, did horses go extinct? Or become endangered? Internal combustion engines will stick around, but will continue to shrink and will eventually become a niche.

Wow, that changes everything! Small numbers never turn into big numbers, right?

Hahaha, you're funny. You stroke your ego here multiple times, so citation needed on your allegation. Speak for yourself, old man. But then the article said 2024 for elimination of all Ford's gasoline cars, so unless you were planning to die 5 years ago, I'll file this with your "Tesla will be bankrupt in 5 years" claim (2 years left on that prediction, by the way).

All Ford cars to be sold in Europe to be electric by 2030. Poor brent. We'll probably hit 50% electric sales much sooner than expected. What puzzles me is, why has he hung so much emotion, so much of his ego on fossil fuels? Business decisions and engineering decisions don't need to involve emotions at all, and that's what's happening here.

This. Note that even minorities DO NOT WANT to recognise that white privilege exists, the complete opposite of the rubbish that brenthutch is saying. Non-white people, like the rest of you, are taught the value of hard work from a young age. The media, society is filled with stories of black and ethnic minority people making it to the top with the virtue of hard work. Even Brent quoted some of those stories. So there's no surprise that even some non-white people will be very against the notion of white privilege, especially if they've had some success, as it would imply that their success had an element of luck in addition to the hard work - they'd prefer it ALL to be due to their effort. And to a non-white person, white privilege is an unpleasant notion that you'd prefer not to exist, so many non-white people start with the assumption that it doesn't exist. Until it's too obvious to deny. We already know that brenthutch loves stroking himself in this forum, he likes to imply that leftists are somehow weak and afraid, or how he's freedom-loving while "lefties like lockdowns" (which exactly zero lefties have said, and the opposite is true) and this is just part of it, he likes to imply that ethnic minorities are less likely to work hard than white people, well, because he's white.

You're right, it was unnecessary, deleted. My apologies.

No, lefties don't hate them less. I hate lockdowns and can't wait for this one to end. I hate, hate, HATE them. Enough for you? The difference is that there are vulnerable people I care about, that I would do something I hate for. Are there people in your life you'd kill for? What if you were forced to do something you REALLY hate, (say, attend a course on how AGW is a threat every day, 9-5, for a year) to save their life, would you do it? Not really sure you'd hate that example, so don't bother nitpicking that, but imagine having to do something you hate for them - would you do it or are you just too selfish?

Stop touching yourself. (in this forum at least)

Just like martial law that Q was talking about? That would have stoppped Biden's inauguration right?

Find ONE quotation here that advocated lockdowns as the first line of defense. Even last spring I was saying lockdowns should be a last resort. I can provide references. You can't.

Seriously, nobody likes them. Stop making that argument.

NOBODY likes lockdowns. I fucking hate lockdowns. I repeat, NOBODY likes them. You're mistaking "we think brenthutch is advocating stupid" with "we like lockdowns". There's a difference, you know.

Well Sweden has: limited gatherings to 8 people; banned all visits to care homes; moved all schools to online learning; discouraged public transport and travel; prohibited serving alcohol after 10pm; enforced social distancing; closed their borders from visitors outside the EU; So while technically they haven't "locked down", they still have implemented restrictions, and their economy has suffered quite a lot as a result. Their neighbours have closed their borders to Sweden as well, worsening the economic impact. So holding up Sweden as a shining example is really just nonsensical. If you were under the same restrictions you'd still be complaining.

Finland and Norway locked down, are much more similar to Sweden than the UK, and have a much smaller fraction of cases and deaths. It's strange how Sweden's socialist policies are so hated by conservatives in the US, but when they screw up their covid response suddenly they're a shining example. One moment conservatives say that they're a country full of muslim migrants that somehow makes them the rape capital of the world, the next moment they're a "much more homogenous society than the US". Which is it?

Well didn't you just say it depends on several variables? So for the UK - Sweden comparison, you'd need to account for: UK population density vs. Sweden's population density UK's policies for sick leave vs Sweden's policies (hint: people self-isolate more effectively in Sweden because of more generous policies, UK has thousands of people disobeying due to financial reasons) other variables that I've probably missed As several other posters have mentioned, if you compare Sweden with Denmark, Norway and Finland, 2 countries which are a lot more similar to Sweden than the UK in terms of these variables, you get:

No, don't dumb it down for me, I can handle it. Again, another common excuse by fake skydivers when they're caught lying...

And what was the cost in European lives, to develop that herd immunity? You'd like that to be paid again today? I hate to break it to you, but you don't own most of the lives that natural herd immunity will cost. It's not your decision whether that price will be paid.