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Some people do get some mild symptoms from the flu shot, because it causes an immune system reaction. It's usually limited to a day or two, and it should never be as bad as actually getting the flu. The most common reaction is localized pain and swelling at the injection site, with #2 being muscle soreness or aches. Few people get more than that. 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth

I assume you're not talking about an australian wild dog? 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth

My dog ate a red kong, but his black kong has lasted a good long while. I recommend these VERY highly - they absolutely ROCK as dog toys, and whatever the hell they're made of, my dog hasn't been able to even leave a tooth mark in it - but it's not hard, it's flexible. It's some alien technology or something. But it can keep a dog busy for HOURS. They come in different sizes, and you can get 'locking' treats if the dog is very very good at removing the edible end caps. My dog usually just gets some treats stuck inside it without the caps and he has a blast trying to get them out. 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth

Pretty bad. Laguna beach is very isolated, with really only two little roads out of the area to the rest of the world. Depending on how close you want to be to the airport, there's plenty of nice hotels. The Hilton is right across the street, and it's pretty nice. My personal recommendation is the Hyatt Regency Irvine, it's not too crazy expensive and it's a very nice hotel. And be sure to let me know when you're out here so we can grab a beer or something. 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth

Who wants to train all those virgins? I like women to come with some 'skills' if you know what I mean. 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth

Yep, all lawful CCW holders are of demonstrably good character. Criminals, even criminals with CCW permits (which are, according to all available evidence, extremely rare), are by definition not of good character. Seems simple enough to me. 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth

First point: I didn't write the post; I cross-posted it because I thought it worthwhile. I said that right at the top. Second point: 'we' refers to more than one person. It doesn't say 'all' or 'everyone', and thus it doesn't refer to all people - you're inferring that all on your own. The use of the term 'we' in that context is correct and it's not 'flagrant misuse.' Third point: In order to get a CCW in most (probably all, but I'm not positive of that) states, you have to prove that you are of good character to the satisfaction of your local sheriff or police chief. So from that perspective, yes, all CCW holders should be of good character, unless they lied to the authorities in order to get a permit, which would make them a felon, at least in California. Gun owners, as a group, are not all of good character, but to get a CW permit, yes, you must be. 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth

(cross posted from another board) 1. We don't carry firearms so that we can ignore other basics of personal safety. Every permit holder that I know realizes that almost all dangerous situations can be avoided by vigilance, alertness and by simply making wise choices about where one goes and what one does. We don't walk down dark alleys. We lock our cars. We don't get intoxicated in public or hang out around people who do. We park our cars in well lighted spots and don't hang out in bad parts of town where we have no business. A gun is our last resort, not our first. 2. We don't think we are cops, spies, or superheros. We aren't hoping that somebody tries to rob the convenience store while we are there so we can shoot a criminal. We don't take it upon ourselves to get involved in situations that are better handled by a 911 call or by simply standing by and being a good witness. We don't believe our guns give us any authority over our fellow citizens. We also aren't here to be your unpaid volunteer bodyguard. We'll be glad to tell you where we trained and point you to some good gun shops if you feel you want to take this kind of responsibility for your personal safety. Except for extraordinary circumstances your business is your business, don't expect us to help you out of situations you could have avoided. 3. We are LESS likely, not more likely, to be involved in fights or rage incidents than the general public. We recognize, better than many unarmed citizens, that we are responsible for our actions. We take the responsibility of carrying a firearm very seriously. We know that loss of temper, getting into fights or angrily confronting someone after a traffic incident could easily escalate into a dangerous situation. We are more likely to go out of our way to avoid these situations. We don't pull our guns to settle arguments or to attempt to threaten people into doing what we want. 4. We are responsible gun owners. We secure our firearms so that children and other unauthorized people cannot access them. Most of us have invested in safes, cases and lock boxes as well as other security measures to keep our firearms secure. Many of us belong to various organizations that promote firearms safety and ownership. 5. Guns are not unsafe or unpredictable. Modern firearms are well made precision instruments. Pieces do not simply break off causing them to fire. A hot day will not set them off. Most modern firearms will not discharge even if dropped. There is no reason to be afraid of a gun simply laying on a table or in a holster. It is not going to discharge on its own. 6. We do not believe in the concept of accidental discharges. There are no accidental discharges only negligent discharges or intentional discharges. We take responsibility for our actions and have learned how to safely handle firearms. Any case you have ever heard of about a gun going off was the result of negligence on somebody's part. Our recognition of our responsibility and familiarity with firearms makes us among the safest firearms owners in America. 7. Permit holders do their best to keep our concealed weapons exactly that: concealed. However, there are times with an observant fellow citizen may spot our firearm or the print of our firearm under our clothes. We are very cognizant that concerns about terrorism and crime are in the forefront of the minds of most citizens. We also realize that our society does much to condition our fellow citizens to have sometimes irrational fears about firearms. We would encourage citizens who do happen to spot someone carrying a firearm to use good judgment and clear thinking if they feel to need to take action. Please recognize that its very uncommon for a criminal to use a holster. However, if you feel the need to report having spotted a firearm we would ask that you please be specific and detailed in your call to the police or in your report to a store manager or private security. Please don't generalize or sensationalize what you observed. Comments like there's a guy running around in the store with a gun or even simply I saw a man with a gun in the store could possibly cause a misunderstanding as to the true nature of the incident. 8. The fact that we carry a firearm to any given place does not mean that we believe that place to be inherently unsafe. If we believe a place to be unsafe, most of us would avoid that place all together if possible. However, we recognize that trouble could occur at any place and at any time. Criminals do not observe gun free zones. If trouble does come, we do not want the only armed persons to be perpetrators. Therefore, we don't usually make a determination about whether or not to carry at any given time based on "how safe" we think a location is. 9. Concealed weapon permit holders are an asset to the public in times of trouble. The fact that most permit holders have the good judgment to stay out of situations better handled by a 911 call or by simply being a careful and vigilant witness does not mean that we would fail to act in situations where the use of deadly force is appropriate to save lives. Review of high profile public shooting incidents shows that when killers are confronted by armed resistance they tend to either break off the attack and flee or choose to end their own life. Lives are saved when resistance engages a violent criminal. Lives are lost when the criminal can do as he pleases. 10. The fact that criminals know that some of the population may be armed at any given time helps to deter violence against all citizens. Permit holders don't believe that every person should necessarily be armed. We recognize that some people may not be temperamentally suited to carry a firearm or simply may wish not to for personal reasons. However we do encourage you to respect our right to arm ourselves. Even if you choose not to carry a firearm yourself please oppose measures to limit the ability of law abiding citizens to be armed. As mentioned before: criminals do not observe gun free zones. Help by not supporting laws that require citizens to be unarmed victims. 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth

I have two issues with SIGs, though they do shoot nice: 1) The safety is a forced decock, so you can't carry cocked-and-locked. The DA trigger pull is pretty damn stiff. This can probably be gunsmithed, but that's expensive (and can affect reliability). 2) They're heavy as sin. This is probably my bias since I came from the USP polymer side of the fence; if you're used to a 1911 they probably feel like a bag of feathers. As to the 9mm vs 40 argument.. There's a lot of debate about it. However, there are three things which are not subject to debate in the caliber wars: 1) Bigger holes are always better. A 9mm that doesn't expand is 9mm, but a .40 (or .45) won't ever get smaller. 2) heavier bullets go deeper. 3) shot placement is king. A police officer in PA just last week shot a suspect 9 times with a .45ACP, and the suspect walked into the ambulance by himself. There's no magic death ray*. Having bought and fired about 2000 rounds in the last 3 weeks, I can tell you that the price difference between .40 and 9mm isn't huge if you shop around for range ammo. Yes, it's more expensive, but usually only like $3-4 a box. If you don't mind the extra recoil of the .40 and the gun fits your hand, go with that. You always have the .22 for plinking at the range with. Hell, give a 45GAP or 45ACP a try while you're at it - some people find the slower recoil to be more pleasant, and that's even a more powerful round still. PS: You can also rent a 500S&W magnum at the range by my house, if you want to see what a real hand cannon is like. *50BMG isn't legal in CA, and you can't conceal one. But that might count as a damn-near-guaranteed one-shot stop. 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth

Just to update everyone, Kitty is back at the vet but is eating this morning, and apparently doing much better, despite needing anticoagulants, then a platelet transfusion and vitamin K. 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth

Maybe. But there's a question as to the actual effect - many gun manufacturers (Glock, Sig, Smith and Wesson, among others) have said that there's a good chance they'll just stop selling guns to California entirely, making this effectively a ban (and arguably unconstitutional on those grounds?) 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth

I have seen otherwise, I will say that there are several variables including angle and distance. I can show you a thorough study that was performed, as well and it proved 9mm more effective, and it was not the result the study was looking for Heck we went to a junkyard and shot alot of cars in the door and even .45acp did not do as well. Believe me we were suprised. If you like I will send you a link to the study. Anyway you look at it if you cannot hit and kill a target of your choice with a 9mm, a .45acp will never help you. If you really need to shoot *through* things, that's what .357sig and 10mm auto were designed to do. It's always a trade-off. If size isn't an issue, try 300 winchester magnum or 50BMG. That'll solve any barrier penetration issues you're having. Just remember to check behind the target. and behind that. and behind that too... 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth

In my county in CA, you have to qualify with the exact gun(s) you want to carry every other year. Makes a lot of sense to me. 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth

I have a pierce magazine extension on some of my Glock 27 mags; it's just big enough for your pinkie finger without adding any length to the backstrap. However I also did a combat pistol course with the same gun without the extensions and it wasn't nearly as big a deal as I was afraid of (but the third shot on a triple tap does start to feel exciting, even if the bullet still goes where you wanted it to ). If it's a really big issue to you, try the Glock 23, which is just slightly larger and might fit your hand better. 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth

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that 5.5lbs is still the single action pull, isn't it? I prefer the Sigs for mostly personal comfort reasons, but I also like that it has the decocker that can put it back into DA for the first shot. Though if CA ever allowed carry (or I moved), I'd carry the HK P7 with the grip safety. Glocks (and Springfield XD, for that matter) don't have a single-action pull - or a double-action, as they have no hammer. They're striker-fired. The advantage (or disadvantage) is that the trigger pull never changes from first shot to last. People who are used to revolvers and rely on a super-heavy first pull of the trigger for safety might be more comfortable with the DA/SA pistols (SIG, HK, Beretta), or a DAO-version of the same. OTOH, people with weak hands (like some girls I know) can barely pull a DA trigger, and probably couldn't count on where that first shot is going. Something with a lighter (and consistent) trigger pull (like the Glock, XD, Steyr, or HK USP with the LEM trigger) is a better choice for them. The other side of the coin is that pistols like the Glock and Springfield XD have no 'manual' safety that you have to remember to take off when the feces hits the fan - I call 'em "PHD guns" (short for 'Pull here, dummy'). You point them and pull the trigger and they work. However, NO gun should ever be carried without a proper holster that COVERS the trigger. If you have one, and you use it responsibly, Glocks are as safe as any other gun. Yes, cops shoot themselves in the leg with Glocks - they PUT THEIR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER and then try to put the gun in the holster. That's a holdover from old revolver holsters that left the trigger exposed. But, if they have their finger on the trigger, it's not really the gun's fault, now is it? Machines do what you tell them to do, not what you MEANT to tell them to do. Don't rely on ANY mechanical safety - use the safety between your ears. Go to a shooting range and start trying them out for yourself. If you're going to carry concealed, you're going to need a lot of practice to do it safely. As to the original question, 9mm vs. 40, it's been debated to death. There's no one perfect answer. All things being equal, a hit with a 9mm is better than a miss with a .40, but bigger holes are always better. The police and sheriff here all use .40, so that's my first choice, though I do have a 9mm as well for when .40 is just too big. Either will work fine if you can hit your target, so pick the one you shoot better and then practice practice practice. PS: There are places in California where you can carry. http://www.calccw.com 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth

No thanks, I think the current system is more fun. 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth

Am I to understand Turtle went to sushi last night? 1. Isn't that kind of cannibalism? 2. What the hell? Sushi in texas? Don't you get a beatin' from a bunch of guys in cowboy hats for doing that? 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth

In honor of your birthday, I'll try to get my girlfriend to scream your name the next time we have sex. 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth

Condolences to all, and Blue Skies to the departed... 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth

Except style, where it looks like something a power ranger would ride. No, I didn't want a crotch-rocket either, which is why I too bought a vespa. I'm also enjoying my new Steyr M40-A1 a fair bit - it's very nice and accurate for such an inexpensive piece. 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth

To be more precise, no crime has ever been committed with one by a civilian outside a war zone. 50BMG: When you absolutely, positively, have to put a big-ass hole in it from a mile away. 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth

Happy birthday, you old coot! At least you can still beat up Wilford Brimley. Even if you do like musical theater a little too much for your own good. 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth

Do they sell the crotchless ones there too? 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth

We haven't had to do that in a while, at least on a widespread basis. The last time we did it, we booted the English out and established our own government. It can be argued that fear of a mass armed uprising is one of the 'checks and balances' that keeps the government in place, though it's clearly a last resort against unchecked tyranny. It'd take some pretty major abuses to set off that particular trigger, but it's definitely there. The US is also suffering from an excess of ignorance and voter apathy, along with a spectacular disinformation campaign, and as a result, our civil rights are likewise eroding. It's a fair bet they won't erode as far as they otherwise might. 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth