rgoper

ya know, ya got a point there, which no one can argue. LOL. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

this IS NOT my point of contention, let's all be SURE we understand that. my problem is with the manufacturer's putting information out there contending that they are true elipiticals, when there not. consider this my last word on termonology matters. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

Dan: it sounds to me like the manufacturers are developing these canopies, shaping them anyway they wish, and calling them something else other than they are for "sales pitching" let's break it down a little, either the canopies are semi-elipitcal, or elipitical, why don't YOU guys make up your mind. it's the information that the manufacturers are putting out that gives the sky diving community the information we have, and use, and swear by. miss inform one of us, we miss inform others. i've been to every canopy manufacturers website you can think of, and i've seen the following terms used: truely elipitical, fully elipitical, semi-elipitical, slightly tapered, if the canopies are not of this geometric origin, why are you guys using this termonology? your Cobalt is described on your website as an elipitical, then you come here to this forum, and say there are no true elipiticals, why don't you say that on your web-site? a little clarification would be appropriate here. if the canopy is not an elipitical, don't call it that. Sabre2 describes it's canopy as "slightly tapered" when i do research on a canopy, i go to their websites, and talk to the people in the office, just like i've done with you in the past, i've obtained my information from the manufacturer(s), and now i see that everything you hear and see is not to be believed. this may be good this is coming to light, as i can now see that canopy manufacturers are using "altered information" just to sell canopies? i'm dissapointed, to say the least. your words dan? you guys need to get your facts straight, and stop telling the public what "you think" they may want to hear to sell them equipment. double standards are a thing of the past, or they should be. "clear as mud" right?? --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

so does this statement hold true for my Cobalt, or is it a semi-elipitical canopy? the manufacturer's are talking "in circles" if you ask me. PD is the only manufacturer i've found so far that uses the term "slightly tapered" if it is in fact semi-elipitical, or fully elipitical would this statement not be missleading? --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

so does this mean a semi-elipitical is an elipitical, or a tapered an elipitical as well, or not? by now, i'm all confused. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

haven't jumped the lightning, VX or lotus, or any base canopies, i was under the impression we were originally disscussing the Sabre2, and Crossfire2, my mistake. and by the way, i just had my first cut-away on jump # 475, i don't update my profile like i should, it's said 300 for 6 or 7 months, heck i don't know. i'm not trying to be a canopy guru here, i'm merely trying to give you research information. it's funny that PD would make the remark(s) about "tapered" semi-elipitical, etc...but no other manufacturer speaks in those terms. i've heard people refer to certain canopies in way different terms, so all we have is the data that each manufacturer posts about their equipment. if you ask a question in this forum, such as you did, you've got to know your going to get varying opinions. hope all of this helps. take care, be safe. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

i posted that, to counter this remark. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

yep, but i've jumped each and every one of the canopies in disscussion here at one time or another. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

no, actually i live in a world of "reality" and i do my own research from the manufacturer's websites. i've provided you with the same advantage, don't listen to what any of us are saying, go look! --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

***The HORNET Range of main parachutes are a "semi" elliptical 9 cell design incorporating zero porosity fabric and microline. HORNET sizes range from 120 Sq. ft. with a maximum all up flying weight of 144 lbs to 230 Sq. Ft. for a maximum all up flying weight of 276 lbs. HORNET parachutes, just as their close relative the HEATWAVE, are manufactured with unique fabric woven with the finest microfilament yarns available but with more yarns per square inch than any other zero porosity fabric. The unique fabric is marginally stronger and lightly coated with silicon which ensure easy neat pack jobs every time. The top panels, bottom panels, and all ribs of the HORNET Range are accurately, and individually cut to an exact shape and contour to fit into the neighboring panels + ribs of the planform of the entire airfoil. The result of such an advanced contoured design is a canopy with reduced drag and enhance lift (or performance). The semi elliptical design offers quick turn speeds but a canopy known for on-heading openings while at the same time maximizing interior pressurization for maximum stable penetration and light toggle pressure.*** ahem......................straight off of Pisa's website. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

Click Here For ALL PD Canopies you guys need to do some research, it's all on their site. black and white letters, in english. you'll notice the x-braced, fully elipitical canopies are described as just that, as are the others as to what they are/are not. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

please follow the link posted above, in my last post, if further litigation is desired, i'd prefer you take it up with PD themselves, the canopy is, what they say it is in the adobe acrobat file in the link i posted. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

if it was, they'd say so, Icarus didn't mind saying it, it's a "selling point" and i posted you a link to further your own investigation(s) so you wouldn't have to rely solely on us in here. hope this helps. Sabre2 Specs follow this link, and you will see the Sabre2 IS NOT elipitical, it's "slightly tapered." --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

rutro...typo...sorry! --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

Go Here this site should provide some useful information, and answers to your questions. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

wing load =(body weight + rig weight) * canopy sq. ft. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

now this from Sabre's website, i shall retrieve more information to answer your original question. no mention of being elipitical at all. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

when i had my country and western band together, we covered a lot of his tunes, i still think the world of him, he just needs some help, i'm going to go and visit him soon. let's all wish him the best. i do wish him well. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

I don't know how many of you follow Country & Western Music, but this just in today's local rag: This guy used to be one of my musical mentors, i think i need to drive down to brenham, and take him sky diving, so he'll find another way to get high! --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

that's some spamming downloading while your back is turned computer crashing...UGH. i hate em. don't download any of their crapola! that's where Norton pays for itself. report their ip address numbers! but to answer your question, Gator Corp. sells (but initially gives away) screen savers, games, junkola like that. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

this is a "KILLER" program, i've had it for 3 months now. get the "Spam Killer" as well, it allows you to see the isp's and webmaster origination as well, it even lets you "complain" and send uglies back to them! ((snicker...snicker)) --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

Kewleio! hate that you femured in, but glad to see you were taken care of. get well soon. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

[Jed Clampitt voice] "Well Doggies!" [/end Jed Clampitt Voice] HAR HAR!!! --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

or what? --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

you've driven one? tell me about it. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"