sinker

I've got something you should make a sticky... Sweetcheeks? how'd you guess? Whoa boys. That's what we're arguing against. Keep it straight. but sudsy and I aren't priests. -the artist formerly known as sinker

wake that fucker up!!! kick him in the nads! -the artist formerly known as sinker

I've got something you should make a sticky... Sweetcheeks? how'd you guess? -the artist formerly known as sinker

That should be made a sticky. I've got something you should make a sticky... -the artist formerly known as sinker

you rock! -the artist formerly known as sinker

BS, Bill, BS forever... -the artist formerly known as sinker

dude, you don't have this as an option... tie him up and have a bunch of sheep in heat flaunt their asses in front of him. -the artist formerly known as sinker

i'd ask you, what is the worse sin? murdering someone or steeling a pack of gum? -the artist formerly known as sinker

When I tell chicks, "Hey, maybe you should take a shower first; I'm not a big fan of sauerbraten," they usually just have this vacant stare in response... Uncultured tramps.

No, absolutely not. It's quite a serious question. sorry... no food restrictions for priests, i don't think, they aren't levitical priests, not jewish, not old testament priests... there is some new testament verse about the fulfillment of those old laws or something... now, there is the required fasting from red meat during lent... -the artist formerly known as sinker

are you making a bad joke about sucking dick or eating pussy? -the artist formerly known as sinker

nurture/nature... all of that is part of what makes humans human. i hear what you're saying, but what I'm saying is that you can't remove/strip/take away the nurture w/o doing some violence to man. and, if you do, like in your hypothetical, as this little society of infants and toddlers grow and build and reproduce, they will start to evolve into, if given sufficient time, a fairly predictable and accurate microcosm of what we have today. -the artist formerly known as sinker

sorry, misread your post. -the artist formerly known as sinker

>Favorite holiday? kwaanza favorite pickle? edit... ah hell, too slow... -the artist formerly known as sinker

thank you bill! -the artist formerly known as sinker

that's not my point at all... this isn't the proper place for it and you know it. -the artist formerly known as sinker

you can try but you won't succeed... you'll either land in jail, hurt your friends, hurt yourself, fail to be fully human, etc. natural law that isn't the only reason, by far. even if we lived in a far simpler society, it would still be the case, simple b/c of who we are as humans. i never denied we're animal. but we're more than just animal. we've been over this before. mankind has the potential for so much more. to reduce mankind to just the animal is such an injustice. -the artist formerly known as sinker

do some reading on natural law.... "asphault divot" ick. bad visual. -the artist formerly known as sinker

dude, you're wrong. don't do this. not here, not now. this isn't the time nor the place. take it elsewhere. -the artist formerly known as sinker

So you're saying it's a misnomer. It also sounds like it's a misleading term for something subjectively determined by the Church. No arguing against that, then. Carry on. Gotta agree - if an organization wants to redefine words to match their sets of rules, then more power to them. Churches do it, political parties do it. Control a society's language and eventually you do control how people think. We won't ever have to talk someday as all the words won't have any real meaning then due to all the conflicting organizations that understand this principle. Then finally we can start assessing people on their actions. natural law and laws of nature aren't the same thing... google it... -the artist formerly known as sinker

Surely monogamy is simply a question of morality, not related in any way to purpose. The purpose of sex is to procreate (which is why you said sodomy is wrong) and the best way to ensure succesfull procreation is to get as many women pregnant as possible. There is no natural purpose for monogamy, only moral reasons. not true, b/c remember, we're not just animals... we're moral creatures. you can't get around that... men shouldn't go around impregnating as many women as they can, b/c unlike lesser animals who can instinctively, w/ some learning, survive in the wild, babies need a lot of support, love, teaching, etc.... from a mother and a father... and the environment where that most favorable is a monogamous heterosexual marriage. -the artist formerly known as sinker

So you're saying it's a misnomer. It also sounds like it's a misleading term for something subjectively determined by the Church. No arguing against that, then. Carry on. no, not just "determined" by the church... adhered to by them, but by others as well... -the artist formerly known as sinker

I doubt it, we aren't wired or built that way. Monogamy is a cultural evolution made with conscious choice. I think it's a good thing, but I don't think it is natural for the species. In other words, it's a moral position that is reinforced by religious and/or cultural upbringing that has definite positive benefits for society (which is why it's attached to morality - which is good behavior considered good for all). to suds and rehmwa... natural law isn't primarily concerned w/ laws of nature, as i've said... it also is concerned w/ moral law as well. in that sense, monogamy is "natural" and good for the mankind. it is more than just about "urges." i'm not the best at explaining this right now... trying to work, but keep getting sucked back... must... resist.... -the artist formerly known as sinker

Your regular 'organised' church doesn't prey on the sick. Your regular 'organised' church's ministers or pastors are not multi-millionaires, flying around in jets and living in mansions, all paid for by their 'victims' whom these con-artists have fleeced. Christianity is increasing in numbers pretty much only in thirld world countries, primarily due to the catholic church turning to south america, china, southeast asia and especially africa to pan for gold among the sick, the illiterate, the poor and the desperate. South America has been proclaimed the savior of the catholic church as the number of catholics and more importantly donations in the US continue to decline. The only other significant increase in numbers of christians is with the more fundamentalist, dogmatic churches in the US recruiting dirt poor, uneducated americans and fleecing what little money they do have. Seems the more things change, the more they stay the same. you think you know... but you have no idea. -the artist formerly known as sinker

short and sweet version.. gotta get some work done today... nuns (who live in a cloistered convent) and sisters (who work "in the world" teaching, etc.) are "married" to God in that they make their life-vow, a pledge of chastity, etc., to God, in a similar way that husband and wife make to each other. It's not a straight analogy. a priest is married to the church, the body of christ, again, not a straight analogy, but it comes from the scripture "husbands, love your wives as christ loved the church." the priest stands in persona cristi, in the person of christ, in the catholic church, so that in acting as the priest, we don't see that man, we see christ. and that man has pledged his life, vowed, if you will, his life, to the service of the church, like a marriage. that is one reason why, in today's catholic church, priests do not marry. they already are "married" to the church... the church is their fulltime commitment. it's not a job to them. it's their life, their everything. when a parishioner is sick in the hospital in the middle of the night, they get out of bed and go. when someone dies, they go. when someone needs counsel, they give it. they are a father, they are a friend, they are "married" to the congregation so to speak. hope this helps. -the artist formerly known as sinker