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Smaller guys get more head. rl, there's something about me you should know. -the artist formerly known as sinker

>Cause you're a freak! (j/k) you're in rare form for an engineer, bill! -the artist formerly known as sinker

>*golfclap* I guess? well said... golfclap! -the artist formerly known as sinker

OMG! It sucks that you have a job that actually requires you to work!!! -the artist formerly known as sinker

ok, so that's why I restated... I want to truly understand where you are coming from. -the artist formerly known as sinker

>At least your good at being crass. do one thing, and do it well, so they say... -the artist formerly known as sinker

you tried to get him to stop several times. brave of you to put this hear. your stock w/ me is as high as it ever was. just keep eating those cheeseburgers and it'll go higher. -the artist formerly known as sinker

>Atomic, biological, chemical? Good thing; I'd hate >to see the Vatican's WMD's used on protestants! (kidding, I'm kidding) you're such a dork bill, and by dork I mean whale's penis. (kidding, I'm kidding) a little self-disclosure in there? ok, so you judge the "normalcy" of homosexuality based on the relative saneness of the gay people you know, correct? -the artist formerly known as sinker

the church's worth is found in the property is has, primarily. a few years ago, it was nearly bankrupt. i know nothing of gold. are you talking bullion (sp?) or in art? if it's art, well, that's another topic, partially. i do not know boston's assets, but 600 mil? w/ it's lawsuits? hmm... funny, that's odd. remember bill, it takes money to run an organization. that isn't to say it's efficient as it is. -the artist formerly known as sinker

one last time bill... from someone more "on the inside" than you... don't. hold. your. breath. you'll soon be dead if you do. ABC is still verbotin, as will homosexuality be... but you have a church that accepts both, evidentally, so have a good time there... edited to ask... in your opinion, what makes homosexuality "ok," licit, acceptable, nonpathological, bill? -the artist formerly known as sinker

it wasn't enforced. now perhaps it will be. i'm not disagreeing w/ you here on this. the church fucked up big on this. did you miss that part of my post? not true.. read some more... as for punishing hierarchy, it's harder to prove cover ups, but if it can be proven, they will be punished. but remember, the church is not like the american justice system. there is a clinical, pathological difference. and it bears noting. and since it's more common than true pedophilia, this reinforcement of not allowing gay priests can only be seen, therefore, as a step in the right direction. i don't particularly care if you don't want to see it. yes. i'm sorry to hear that. it must be difficult for him and many others. yes, i've seen them. i've had mass w/ JPII in his private chapel. but your argument is faulty. they aren't HIS living arrangements, they are the POPE'S... they are for the person IN OFFICIO, like that big fancy white house on Pennsylvania Avenue. It doesn't belong to W, it belongs to the Govt., for use by the person occupying the office of the Presidency. Right now, another man I've met, Pope Benedict, is occupying that same residence. And when he dies, the next successor to Peter's throne ascends, he too will occupy it. Have there been abuses of power and a lust for wealth in the church? Of course. Is such a thing exclusive to catholicism and not other religions? Hardly. Other hierarchical entities? Say it isn't so! When Pope JPII was alive, a man I'd met and deeply loved, when he was a cardinal in Poland, he was so detached from material possessions, as all priests should be, his shaving razor was old, nicked and dull. When given a new one from a parishioner, he'd graciously accept, but soon give it away to a poor person. When given a new pair of shoes to replace the worn saddle shoes he had, he would give those away as well. Same w/ new blankets and sheets. He was not attached to "the finer things." Same with Mother Theresa, with whom I spent some time in 1988. When she received the Nobel Peace Prize, not a dime was kept. And the medal, soon after she was dressed with it, was removed by her and handed to someone else. It is categorically, morally WRONG of you to accuse the catholic church of being a power/money grabbing institution. -the artist formerly known as sinker

yet another example where the Church proves it has no fucking clue what actually happens "naturally" in nature... wrong again honey. the natural law and laws of nature are not the same thing. try again. -the artist formerly known as sinker

i'll give ya a hug... you certainly deserve it... i don't know the whole thing, don't care to, but you didn't deserve to be treated that way. {hugs} -the artist formerly known as sinker

are you not in control of your emotions? is love an emotion or a choice in terms of a long-term, committed relationship? -the artist formerly known as sinker

the church's fundamental teachings on matters of faith and morals has not changed. the church's stance on homosexuality has EVERYTHING to do w/ faith and morals. To say otherwise is the heighth of ignorance. Most human actions, by their very definition, are moral acts, save incidentals like clipping your fingernails. break out the bible verses that define the earth as flat... be sure to include references to the literary style of said book and it's relevence to the work in question as well as it's impact on theology. Most importantly, please explain, how in the hell does a flat earth impact faith and morals? it's incidental. -the artist formerly known as sinker

the catholic church is often referred to as "the church"... get over it... it's like referring to mankind as man instead of man/woman. the church/priest relationship is not one of employer/employee. discrimination rules do not apply. -the artist formerly known as sinker

Wow, that ban in the past has really stopped a lot of gay pedophiles from becoming priests...thank God the Roman Catholic church has never had any problems with priests playing with little boys... They are completely and utterly laughable.....all they care about is money and power...sadly enough they rely on human suffering to get both... get your head out of the fucking sand. that ban is, in part, in direct response to the priest sex scandal. there are pedophile priests. they deserve severe punishment, as do those in the hierarchy who colluded to keep it quite. then they are homosexual priests. they need to be celibate and teach the church teachings or get the fuck out. it is ignorant to call someone a "gay pedophile." the "orientation" of a pedophile isn't to a specific gender, it is to an age. and a good bit of the scandal of recent years, which the media did not seperate out, was priests who took advantage of post-pubescent boys, which ISN'T pedophilia. Pedophiles aren't attracted to post-pubescent children. those cases are more of homosexual orientated priests abusing their authority. these priests, like the pedophile, should receive no mercy. as for "all they want are money and power"... THAT is what is laughable... why it is true in some cases, your blanket accusation is so full of shit that it's easily dismissed. How many priests do you know? Do you know their salaries? Know their general living conditions? Know of their attachments in their souls to material things? I didn't think so. -the artist formerly known as sinker

why can't the church exclude whom it wishes? what do you care? -the artist formerly known as sinker

Killing the dogs is not 'punishing' the dogs. It's just the right thing to do - remove a real threat. The dogs, for whatever reason, are not safe to have in our world and should be destroyed - I don't know what them 'deserving' it means, they killed a woman - what defines 'deserving' if not that? The dog's owner needs to be investigated and 'punished' as well - separate topic. amen brutha. kill the dogs. try the owner. bury the dead. flog artiscalledian -the artist formerly known as sinker

you missed the point... in the case studies -- they were WRITTEN case studies, not actual people, ever single word was the same EXCEPT the word "homosexual" and "heterosexual." The presenting problem was something completely unlrelated to relationships, sex, etc. Homosexuals were still rated as more sick. I think it's too much of a stretch to say that just b/c homosexuality was removed from DSM (by gestapo tactics, NOT scientific research, which YOU see as a good thing ), doesn't ipso facto mean that yay, it's been accepted as normal, and yay, the medical / psychiatric / counseling communities state categorically that homosexuality is a valid, licit, healthy lifestyle. As badly as you want to believe that, it just ain't so... -the artist formerly known as sinker

the particular language the mass is said in is not a change in doctrine. the church does not allow any form of artificial birth control. admitting the earth is round and not the center of the universe changes nothing regarding faith and morals. god does not change and he is not dead. -the artist formerly known as sinker

interesting studies on DSM and homosexuality etc... all major counseling licensing bodies (American Psychiatric Association, American Psychological Association, others for Licensed Clinical Social Workers, etc) all have as part of their code of ethics or oath that the licensee will NOT try in therapy to change a patient's sexual orientation, even if the patient is not happy being homosexual. however... if therapists belonging to these licensing bodies are presented with two identical case studies, the only difference being that one is hetero, the other homo, the vast majority of therapists --who claim to adhere to the beliefs/ideals/ethics/etc. of the licensing bodies-- diagnose the homosexual as more problems, more pathology, more severe diagnoses, would prescribe more serious treatments, etc. interesting. -the artist formerly known as sinker

the church will not change about this bill, just like it didn't change on artificial birth control in the late 60's like everyone predicted. it ain't gonna happen. -the artist formerly known as sinker

in the mid/late 80's i was dating a girl who had an older brother named dominic. he had the insufferable problem of getting priapisms, involuntary, sustained, unwanted erections. One was 28 hours. He lost all the vasculature of his penis. It was black, bruised, nasty. It had to be replaced w/ air pumps, the valve to which was located under his scrotum. It was devestating to his macho-italian ego. -the artist formerly known as sinker

*sigh* here we go again... it's very simple... in the eyes of the catholic church, sex is for babies and bonding. gay sex can't give you either, so sayeth the church. genital to anus doesn't give union, genital to genital does. you gotta plug the cord into the outlet to get the juice, n'est-ce pas? plug to plug, no juice. outlet to outlet, no juice. from the catechism of the catholic church... 2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved. -the artist formerly known as sinker