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-the artist formerly known as sinker

thanks Rhino!!! Looks like my baby is copying your baby... hurry up and wait... hope your little one is doing well... -the artist formerly known as sinker

nice post! -the artist formerly known as sinker

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as much as I enjoy sparring w/ you two, it's time for my din-din... a nice juicy steak, can you believe it? -the artist formerly known as sinker

touche. -the artist formerly known as sinker

in this debate I have not been arguing for the belief that Jesus is the human manifestation of God. I've been arguing that their are values/principles/morals etc. that are universal and govern all persons. One of those principles being that it is wrong for a person to starve when they have food available. -the artist formerly known as sinker

not intended maybe, but in bad taste, surely... -the artist formerly known as sinker

no, they would both be wrong. it is never right to intentionally do something to kill yourself or someone else. who knows... someone may come and save them from their captors. the captors may have a change of heart (humans have thoses, you know). any number of possibilities exist. true, they will likely die at the hands of their captors. that doesn't make suicide and murder acceptable. well, to you maybe. -the artist formerly known as sinker

sure it does. you're not disproving my point that just b/c a culture sanctions murder or suicide that such actions are right. If a culture espouses moral relativism, chaos ensues. And the universe is not chaotic. There is incredible order from a macro to micro scale. It's everywhere and to deny it is just baffling to me. -the artist formerly known as sinker

Yes, it is my belief. Is it yours? Do you think that cows possess the souls of deceased humans? Honestly... do you really think that is true? -the artist formerly known as sinker

a normal function of sex is the ability to orgasm. when someone is unable to orgasm during the sexual act, that is a dysfunction. I'm not saying that HAVE to always orgasm, but they have to have the potential to have one. In most cases, the clitorectomy prohibits the ability for the woman to have an orgasm. That is the biological function that is prevented. Also, our identities are very intimately intertwined with our sexuality. The forced removal of the clit frequently does violence to that as well. -the artist formerly known as sinker

so you have a point that I can't think of a rebuttle off the top of my head. but do YOU think that the life force of that heffer may in fact be the deceased George Troy? No? Why not? It either is or it isn't. Believing it is doesn't make it so. Believing it isn't doesn't either. -the artist formerly known as sinker

this conversation will always be reduced to you saying truth is relative and me saying that it isn't. I don't think it's demeaning to shoot someone in the head. They don't either. Bam. Done. Are we both right? Are we both wrong? -the artist formerly known as sinker

why is that the case that you can only disprove one religion by proving the truth of another? it doesn't take any theologizing to discover that cows are tasty and bear no resemblence at all to a deity. they aren't intelligent. they die. they smell bad. -the artist formerly known as sinker

there's a difference b/t natural law and laws of nature. one governs all of nature, i.e. gravity, the other governs the realm of human acts. one need not subscribe to any religious belief system to discover that human beings, while animals, are not JUST animals. We are clearly on the top of the food chain so to speak. While we are animals, we are so much more... we create, we ponder, we love OUTSIDE of any biological need to do so. As such, there are other laws or dictums or principles that are unique and universal to all humans. Take overpopulation for example, which you bring up. It would be a grave crime towards humanity to electively kill other humans due to a perceived scarcity of resources. Did you know that every single person in the entire world can fit within the state of Texas and each person would have 150 (or is it 1500 square feet) of room? Because of mankinds ability to be creative and to problem solve in a way that no other animal can, this world will never be in a situation where humans will have to electively exterminate other humans b/c there aren't the resources to survive. We haven't even come close to utilizing the sea's potential to feed us. And look at the south west, where I am from... what once was a barren desert, unsurvivable not many generations ago, is a thriving part of our country. -the artist formerly known as sinker

ok... so someone thinks that cow is my grandfather and thus chooses to die of starvation instead of killing it for food. It is completely within the realm of human reason to be able to discern that the cow is not/cannot be the living manifestation of a deceased human. It is not necessary to reference any religion to discover that. getting circumsized, pierced or tattooed does not disrupt any normal biological function as does the forcing of clitorectomies on pubescent tribal girls. such acts appear to me to be morally neutral, except of course a person does pierce themselves to the extent that they have mutilated their body more than in a superficial way. -the artist formerly known as sinker

if it's universal it applies to everyone. the eating disorder is a good example... it's wrong (not as in evil and sinful, but wrong as in against the natural law) for a person to eat food in order to experience the pleasure of eating but then to regurgitate it and purposely avoid the nutritional value of it. It violates the naturally intended end of the act of eating. It is rightly called a disorder. others... everyperson deserves to be treated with respect and dignity. inflicting bodily harm on people is wrong. treating people as objects instead of persons is wrong... the list goes on and on... -the artist formerly known as sinker

oh really? eating is not primarily for nutrition and sustanance? PRIMARILY? Again, I maintain that there are principles about human existance and behavior that are universal and not merely confined to the dictates of ones cultures and/or religions. Take the practice of giving clitorectomies to young women in some cultures... in their culture it is not amoral, not wrong. However, I maintain that it IS wrong, inspite of what their culture says. It is wrong to maim someone in such a way. Always, everywhere. It is universal. It is wrong that people in India are starving while cows are afforded the status of a deity! It is an incorrect belief. Yes, I said it. Some beliefs are wrong. Truth is universal. -the artist formerly known as sinker

ha! you'll never nudge ME out of the way, I'm 230# AND have the inside track to Muenkel. We're lovers, you know... -the artist formerly known as sinker

My mom went to school w/ him at Cortez High School in Phoenix. Sat next to him in English, thought he was weird. One of his HS art projects was making a guillotine for baby dolls. It was a working model. I think he still lives in Phoenix. -the artist formerly known as sinker

well then help your good catholic friend finance a rig, eh??? -the artist formerly known as sinker

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evanescence... -the artist formerly known as sinker

hey! I like boobies too! I actually like them TOO much... is that possible?? "Must repent!!" -the artist formerly known as sinker