sinker

we have a lot of dolemite in tennessee. -the artist formerly known as sinker

john lee hooker is great. can't get out... momma is in labor... it's only mild, but it's hear. I doubt I'd have a home to come home to if I left her hanging... miss y'all though... -the artist formerly known as sinker

did you know that dolemite is also lime stone? -the artist formerly known as sinker

but hijacked threads are much more interesting... and this one was more of a natural progression, a morphing, an evolution so is what you said about our wacko pres your true feelings? -the artist formerly known as sinker

i am sucking... -the artist formerly known as sinker

what was that? -the artist formerly known as sinker

then tool lateralus now bnl stunt -the artist formerly known as sinker

voices in my head. blondeflyer, you're in... TENNESSEE??? Holy shit... where at? -the artist formerly known as sinker

sounds like a wee one to me too... -the artist formerly known as sinker

you crack me up! -the artist formerly known as sinker

First, let me say this... my earlier comments to "duel" the teachings of the Catholic church on sexuality was a bit conceited on my part. And I'm afraid they weren't very sensitive either. For that I apologize. Secondly, I don't have any qualms about debating in a public forum, as long as it is respectful, thoughtful, upbuilding, etc. I certainly don't mind being the underdog and having many others arguing against me. It hasn't been the first time, won't be the last. As long as we can respect each other in the morning, I'm cool with it I will always respect those who have differing opinions than I do. You are no less a human b/c you are gay or your are liberal or you are... whatever... Thirdly, this particular matter is obviously very much central to who we are as people, people w/ a sexual nature. If someone can't in a sense detach themselves and be objective about the subject matter, then they are best not participating. That having been said... let's go I say... If people don't want to hear it, they don't have to read it... they can say/do their own thing, no skin off my teeth... So? Let's do it I say. -the artist formerly known as sinker

With regard to your first statement, you are partially right. The belief of the Catholic church was that it was created by ONE human, Jesus. It also claims that in matters of faith and morals it is not flawed. It is not fully evolved, but that is not exactly the same thing. People IN the Church are suredly flawed, as you point out in your post about the seminary. And because I believe these things, what the church teaches, you may think I'm "intolerant." However, I also believe, in no contradiction to my Catholic faith, that all religions have aspects of truth in them. Including the Muslin faith, Hinduism, Judaeism (sp?), etc. And, in concert w/ my faith, I condemn no one, from those w/ a homosexual orientation, to those who reject Christ, those of non-Christian faiths, etc. I do not know what is in anyone's heart. Not even fully what is in my own. That is God's job and I'm grateful it isn't mine. As to your second point, yes the seminary system, especially in this country is faulty, as are many many priests. But why is this a reason to abandon the church? There are those who do not live by the church's teaching, as much as they claim to the contrary. However, one still must distinguish b/c false teachers and witnesses and those who are not. I too have seen some of the American seminaries. Some were atrocius. But some were wonderful. I'm sorry your experience was so bad. -the artist formerly known as sinker

can't help but agree w/ you there... his remarks, if he said them, were insensitive. -the artist formerly known as sinker

Oh goody!!! (rubs hands together) Someone who thinks they know what the Catholic church teaches about sexuality!!! Notice in my original post I said ACTIVITY!! Not homosexuality. I will respond further later this evening... this is going to be fun! -the artist formerly known as sinker

i agree w/ you on the charisma and mending thing.. I really do. GWB is sure rough around the edges. -the artist formerly known as sinker

it would be scandalous and damaging to a young kid who was being taught by a practicing homosexual that homosexual activity is wrong, which is the doctrine of the catholic church. what if the kid sees his teacher gettin busy at the movie theatre or something w/ her girlfriend? so the duplicity hits the kid like a hammer! -the artist formerly known as sinker

I'm not saying you called me a hypocrite, but twice now you've brought up what you thought were inconsistencies in my and Muenkel's beliefs. It's just too common that people do that to people like us. Most of the time it's just a cop out. If that's not your beef, then I am ligitimately glad. I really am

ya know, he's the boss. sure, he can't discriminate against religion. but what about a lesbian who is fighting to get a job teaching religion and morals at a Catholic school? -the artist formerly known as sinker

sad but true... -the artist formerly known as sinker

again, his job isn't just a job... his actions directly and indirectly affect millions and millions of people. I don't give a DAMN if he gets bj's the rest of his life by evey fat intern he can find. But not when he is an elected servant, a man for the people. it's somewhat akin to sports stars... they are role models. they are people of influence and are held to a high standard. don't like it? tough... -the artist formerly known as sinker

First of all, I'm not saying that any republican hasn't cheated on his wife. If they have, it's despicable. If it occurs in the same context as slick willy, then they should be accountable for. second of all, you seem real keen on this whole hypocrisy thing. My "spiel" about making mistakes and being human is not negated, altered, or any way discredited. If you make a mistake/sin/commit a crime, yes, you can be forgiven/pardoned/excused whatever. But you should also pay the consequences for your actions as well. Forgiveness and "letting someone move on" has nothing to do w/ someone paying the price for their mistakes/errors/transgressions. He did something in the oval office that most people find unconscionable (sp?) and then lied about it. Yeah, he's moved on, yeah he's apologized. Fine... but he got what he diserved in inpeachment too... -the artist formerly known as sinker

I knew this would open up a mine field in here. Look, many of you disagree with me on this... the man (or woman, should that ever happen) to be the head of this country should be someone who is faithful to their commitments. The office of the president is not simple a "job" like someone writing code. If you don't believe that, than I think you're pretty ignorant. A president who cheates on his wife in the oval office is not someone worthy of that office. I have the same belief for others in positions of service and power such as politicians, clergy, etc. -the artist formerly known as sinker

ok, strictly speaking I can do whatever the fuck I want to also. that doesn't mean he's not accountable. how sad that such behavior is tolerated by others. he cheated on his fucking wife-- the leader of the free world didn't even honor his most important covenant/contract/relationship. How in God's name do you expect him to work for YOU? And then, to perjure himself on top of it! Sheesh... MYOB?? Sorry, not when it's MY president in MY country where I AM paying taxes... no thanks. We don't need more loosers like that... -the artist formerly known as sinker

man, I hope what he said isn't true either. yep, you heard right, I hope it isn't true. even if he thinks God did say it to him... poor poor judgement to openly say so. -the artist formerly known as sinker

um... a little confused... surely your not talking about the BJ in the white house? It is NOT his house... he resides there yes, but it is not "his" house. He can't do whatever the fuck he wants to in it. Do we really have to go back to this??? -the artist formerly known as sinker