CSpenceFLY

CSpenceFLY Sparky Whatever man. All any of you have to do is backup the term you are trying to use with a definition that fits. Not some made up shit of "all off DZ landings are a demo".

I just don't get it. I what to keep all the store cooties off of my corn. I'll do mine when I get home

Yeah, you had nothing to do with dragging this out. I'm not fuming, I'm being entertained by someone who is wrong but can't bring themselves to man up and admit it.

Yeah, we know. But we love to watch him fume over silly sh*t. He's been dragging that dead horse for a dozen posts now. Well I'll just break out the popcorn and watch. Here's estion though. Saturday I am catching the ferry flight from 1 dz to another. I haven't jumped at the destination dz before. How does this fit the risk profile? If I jump from the ferry that is. Dude, that's a double extra special dangerous demo. You better get busy compiling your graphs,charts and 8x10 black and white photos and forward them to Chuck so he has time to make a determination and make a recommendation to the aviation authorities in your country.

yep I'm not saying that off airport jumps shouldn't be taken more seriously or that the psychological issues didn't play a role here. Your earlier - and staunchly defended - stance was that this jump was no different than one at an unfamiliar established DZ. Now "off airport jumps" are different??? I think you're supposed to beep when you back up like that. No, now you are just twisting words. The above statement is not making a comparison. If it were it would read, "I'm not saying that off airport jumps or jumps at an unfamiliar DZ shouldn't be taken more seriously or that the psychological issues didn't play a role here. Is that better? I thought you intelligent enough not to stoop to make a point. I've given you a simple task if the supporting guidelines exist. Wow, are you bored? I guess I could ask you the same thing. ........................................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. So, can we take that as you have no intent on backing up your position or are you going to take a break and WOW us tomorrow? You can take that as my having no intent of participating in your developing and eventual rant. Good Lord, man. Take a hit. Nah man, I want you to enlighten me. I would have thought that you and Ron would have put together your superior knowledge by now and put me in my place. This is what you get when you're condescending and then don't prove your point. Step up to the plate or admit you a wrong.

yep I'm not saying that off airport jumps shouldn't be taken more seriously or that the psychological issues didn't play a role here. Your earlier - and staunchly defended - stance was that this jump was no different than one at an unfamiliar established DZ. Now "off airport jumps" are different??? I think you're supposed to beep when you back up like that. No, now you are just twisting words. The above statement is not making a comparison. If it were it would read, "I'm not saying that off airport jumps or jumps at an unfamiliar DZ shouldn't be taken more seriously or that the psychological issues didn't play a role here. Is that better? I thought you intelligent enough not to stoop to make a point. I've given you a simple task if the supporting guidelines exist. Wow, are you bored? I guess I could ask you the same thing. ........................................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. So, can we take that as you have no intent on backing up your position or are you going to take a break and WOW us tomorrow?

yep I'm not saying that off airport jumps shouldn't be taken more seriously or that the psychological issues didn't play a role here. Your earlier - and staunchly defended - stance was that this jump was no different than one at an unfamiliar established DZ. Now "off airport jumps" are different??? I think you're supposed to beep when you back up like that. No, now you are just twisting words. The above statement is not making a comparison. If it were it would read, "I'm not saying that off airport jumps or jumps at an unfamiliar DZ shouldn't be taken more seriously or that the psychological issues didn't play a role here. Is that better? I thought you intelligent enough not to stoop to make a point. I've given you a simple task if the supporting guidelines exist. Wow, are you bored? I guess I could ask you the same thing.

So what do you call someone who what's to make something so without any supporting evidence?

yep I'm not saying that off airport jumps shouldn't be taken more seriously or that the psychological issues didn't play a role here. Your earlier - and staunchly defended - stance was that this jump was no different than one at an unfamiliar established DZ. Now "off airport jumps" are different??? I think you're supposed to beep when you back up like that. No, now you are just twisting words. The above statement is not making a comparison. If it were it would read, "I'm not saying that off airport jumps or jumps at an unfamiliar DZ shouldn't be taken more seriously or that the psychological issues didn't play a role here. Is that better? I thought you intelligent enough not to stoop to make a point. I've given you a simple task if the supporting guidelines exist.

yep Gotta quit sometime when you are wrong. Show me by any accepted definition or guidelines (either the FAA or USPA) where jumping at this location should or would be defined as a demo and I will concede to this point like I did the others. I'm not saying that off airport jumps shouldn't be taken more seriously or that the psychological issues didn't play a role here.

No different than saying it is when it's not.

Again, I have conceded to many of the points. Agreed with most right off the bat. There are as many reasons this was not a demo as reasons you and Chuck think there are. You both can get together and chant Demo Demo Demo and it's not going to make it so.

This was a once a year gathering of friends to make a couple of jumps and cook out. By invitation. Nothing close to the boogie, 20 to 30 people. I use to do the same thing at my house before I started the boogie

You don't know that the landing area size wasn't a contributing factor. That is a complete assumption on your part and kind of a double standard for a guy that wants to talk definitions. Tight landing areas are notorious for sucking people in with target fixation, low performance turns to stay clear of obstacles (more perceived than real), and a variety of other factors. Getting sucked in could be even more prevalent in someone who wasn't current, was jumping a high performance canopy, and performing a high performance landing. Unless you are talking to Greg from beyond the grave, you can not say with any degree of certainty whether a tight landing area contributed to his error. It's pretty obvious that a low turn was the eventual cause of death, but you apparently don't want to discuss the above very real factors that may have contributed to Greg making that low turn. And in case you haven't noticed, we are both arguing. Actually we were arguing. My point is made. I'm done. Go pour me a drink. I've agreed with you on every point but one. I don't think I'm being unreasonable.

Hair splitting and a complete thread drift. My point - to stay on topic - was/is that a jump into a private gathering away from an established DZ - however you choose to classify it - carries many of the same dangers as anything you would call a demo. Just because you can legally classify this as not being a demo, many of the attributes of this jump were the same as one and may have contributed to the incident. Thanks for the move, mods. I didn't expect such triviality. Nice condescending tone. Nor did I. I've agreed with you on most points. I disagree with the misuse of the term Demo. You can't always be right but you can damn sure argue like you are. The only way you are right is by using your made up definition of what a demo is. Again. I have agreed with all of your other points. This accident was caused by someone doing a 270* turn to low to complete the turn. The space he had to land in had nothing to do with it. Altitude would have saved his life, a larger landing area would not. More space around the point of impact would not make the ground softer.

You are throwing demo standards at something that wasn't a demo. Using your definition every jump made at a DZ when a wuffo is present should be considered a demo.

You're right, we can argue all day and neither one of us would be completely right. If you think this landing area is tight,which it's not, you would shit a brick where we use to land at my house.

When you have control of the canopy pull the brake line back through where it is supposed to be and gather the lines as usual.

Female, about 30-years-old, with three kids in tow. White,Black,Asian,Redneck,Well dressed or not? Profiling? Every day. Some stereotypes are earned.

Female, about 30-years-old, with three kids in tow. White,Black,Asian,Redneck,Well dressed or not?

Describe this person. I've never seen this done.

There are some stupid MFers commenting on that story.

I should clarify, My instructor remark was a reference to possibly being hit in freefall. Hey,it's happened. Glad you made it through this ok.

Correct me if I am wrong but it doesn't sound like your injury was skydiving related. It sounds like you had a preexisting shoulder problem. Or you had a really bad instructor. As far as the door fear goes, everyone is different. It took me 50 jumps before I was comfortable at the door. I told myself if I wanted to jump I just had to get past it.

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