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Oh right? Is that the case? Bush's Medicare Part D... Progressive Stepping Stone. SCHIP - (Paid for by Obama and Boner's Smoking Habits) - Progressive Stepping Stone. Obamacare - Progressive Stepping Stone. And had they gotten a public option: Progressive Stepping Stone... to Single Payer. Public option is Trojan horse for Single Payer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sTfZJBYo1I Starter Home = Stepping Stone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSfB3Bne2VQ Obama is the reincarnation of Woodrow Wilson... using FDR tactics... what did FDR want? The Second Bill of Rights: (In His Own Words) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EZ5bx9AyI4 Employment Based Health insurance... Progressive Stepping Stone... Started by FDR.

Its 10x worse for Native Americans.

Too Funny! The Tea Party is more dangerous than Muslim Brotherhood. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7ZEVfbolYIY

Awesome! Thank you! You are correct... the word is Property. However the rest is PURE LIES!

Wow... ok then. Well... this much is true: It used to be people paid for medical care and had insurance to cover catastrophes. It's much like homeowner's insurance today. If your rain gutters need replacing, you pay for it. If your window breaks you pay for it. If a tree branch punctures your siding, you pay for it. If a tree crashes through your master bedroom, insurance covers it. Then, insurance came in to say, "Pay us a lot of money every month and we'll cover you for things with a small co-pay." If you don't speak of FDR... you are leaving out an enormous chunk of history.

Ok... And?

At the least... you would need to have insurance companies to offer catastrophic insurance. Very few could afford the costs associated with a major head injury (BASE, skydiving, FALL, Car Collision, ect): extended stay in ICU and recover. There are definitely some major issues with insurance companies... but that doesn't mean we do away with them. There are many Chinese food restaurants that are wicked nasty and full of health code violations... should we ban them all? No... that's not the Free Market.

You have a short memory... (Healthcare) Federal - Illegal. State - Legal. Enumerated powers... Federalist System. Ring a bell?

True. And now it's Life, Liberty, and the Gravy Train. Sigh Both of these statements... are heart breaking. Though, 4 years ago, I was an American Idiot. I didn't know any better either... Not only is there another definition for Happiness... the Pursuit of Happiness, was not in the original quote. It was changed, to, the Pursuit of Happiness. It was one word... Life, Liberty, and ?? But why was it changed? Who made the change? And why replace it with, the Pursuit of Happiness? Hm...

There is nothing good about this bill... it is a cluster fuck for the American people... power and control for the Feds. Anything that is "Good" (IE; those 10 pages), can be passed in one day by single initiative legislation. Do it the right way!

What company?

+1 Yup! And while you are there (Virginia Department of Health Clinic)... you can get free HIV and STD testing too! Gigitty Goo!

OMG! AN HOUR!!!!!! Wow... absolutely ridiculous. I waited for 6 hours (without pain med for the first 2) in Norway just to get a cast on my non displaced fracture of my medial malleolus (Ankle). While talking, mentioned I was looking to go to Med School. Several told me I should come to Norway, that they desperately needed doctors. People don't know how good they have it in this country... and yes, I was billed. Single trip, IHI covered it. : ) So... you were, or were not intubated?

.... no.

Huh?

ObamaCare = HillaryCare http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=hdqGnz6UqG

Nope, I'm a Constitutional Conservative as I have said before. And the Founders, wanted us to remained Neutral, defensive only... Switzerland style! We never should have gone into Iraq. I was totally for Afghanistan, as we were attacked... though, only if the full fighting force of the American Military was used. Go in, do the job, get the hell out. We didn't do that... War is hell, but sometimes necessary. A fast, efficient and brutal assault... to kill or capture Osama, was warranted. And it is the duty of our leaders and the military to end war as soon as possible, to spare lives... both military and civilian. What we are doing now... is a cluster fuck. But I'm not for pulling out... it would be worse. I would also disband/end funding/leave the UN... it was first called the League of Nations... brought about by our second Progressive president... Woodrow Wilson. The American people rejected it the first time around... but it was forced upon us the second time. Progressive learned from their mistakes. The LoN was fully and openly debated. The UN was not... Just like "Healthcare Reform"... behind close doors.

Right from Obama's mouth... he wants a single payer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE Start with a public option... takes you to Single Payer. Can't get a Public Option? Then you do what Tom Harkin said. Psst. It's time... TO WAKE UP!

More Progressive Admitions: from the Tides Foundation Public option is Trojan horse for Single Payer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sTfZJBYo1I

Basic, appropriate, and constitutional healthcare legislation would change that... easily. However, that doesn’t give the Federal government power and control... so why do they, ey? I guess you haven't read my posts...? http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=3977752;page=1;mh=-1;;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC Can you tell me the second definition of Pursuit of Happiness... because Pelosi is lying about and manipulating the DOI.

That is complete and utter bull shit. And Lasik eye surgery is a perfect example of how competition reduces cost... no insurance company covers the procedure. Also... if insurance companies are breaking the law... it is within the power of the Federal government to Regulate.... "Maintain Regularity Under the Law."

This debate is NOT about fixing healthcare. And the arguments, here, about “activist judge rulings,” are simply ridiculous... WHATEVER! This is about inalienable rights, and the Commerce Clause. The Commerce Clause has been abused for far too long! Whether or not the Supreme Court strikes down just the mandate (though the bill crumbles without it), or the entire bill because of the lack of a severability clause... it is wonderful that the debate about the FEDERAL governments scope of influence in being challenged. I would be overjoyed if this bill were to be struck down in its entirety... it would save a shit load of time and money... for if not, it will be dismantled piece by piece. (That is, if other steps aren't taken first - including but not limited to the Supreme Court.) If it takes years... so be it. It has taken Teddy, FDR, Wilson and all the other progressives 100 years to bring us this close to the destruction of the Republic, and into a democracy. It will likely take nearly as long to restore the Republic. Thank God we stopped Cap and Trade... we can survive Hillary/Obamacare... but not that. Note: One of it biggest supporters... Enron. The things that supports keep spouting... “Remaining insured with parents till 26, no preexisting conditions, senior donut meds loophole fix... blah, blah blah..." All 10 pages of it can be passed in single initiative bills. We don’t need the rest of the 2K pages creating numerous new agencies and increasing bureaucracy. All they want is power and control, through STRUCTURE... Obama even said it on the Daily Show. "Progressive Structure" At 8:35 - http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-27-2010/barack-obama-pt--2 And here is Tom Harkin Further Explaining - Progressive Structure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSfB3Bne2VQ Progressive Lies! They will be destroyed...

That's no reason to establish a single payer government controlled healthcare system... Not a Logical reason at least.

Fuck that! How about full repeal (not gonna happen - Courts likely)... then: First Bill: Allow insurance to be sold across state lines - best means to increase competition. Competition decreases cost and increase safety, technology, and access, to everything, not just health care. Another bill: Stay on insurance till 26. (Though technically unconstitutional - at Federal level) Another: Preexisting conditions. (Though technically unconstitutional - at Federal level) And so on... End shopping cart legislation, earmarks and 2k+ page bills. The job of the Federal Government under the Commerce Clause is to regulate (meaning, Maintain Regularity under the law)