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Is OP basically saying asking, "Would the sport be better off without all the people who have been saved by and RSL?"

If you wouldn't mine, could you PM me your design. Not sure of your profession but my engineering brain is interested in looking at it.

I generally pull around 3000". My average saddle altitude is 2400" according to my viso. If I don't like my main for whatever reason I plan to have it chopped by 1750, which is 1000" above my cypress firing altitude. It is also the Oh-shit alarm on my optima. This give me time to easily clear the speed for an AAD fire incase I don't pull and my RSL fails. For whatever reason if I don't chop by that time I will still chop down to about 1250, anything lower than that I'll go for my reserve and deal with whatever happens. I wouldn't really say I have a "hard deck" no matter the altitude do whatever you think is best for survival. I think that is more important the a defined number. I should note that I jump a Spectre so my chances of having a spinning death main are lower than elliptical canopies.

If you are saying my stance that the instructors you jump with are a better judge of your abilities than the SIM is incorrect, I cannot really argue against that. There is no point in arguing against it. As for the question I asked being an attempt to inaccurately back up my position, that is just incorrect. I know that if you include all the factors in my question that the answer can go either way depending on those factors. I have no desire to explain this to you nor the time, what I was doing is a proven method of information extraction. It also worked as expected. Anyway as you have gathered my position is that some people are capable of developing in the sport at different rates. Just as some people are capable of more safely using a camera than others. Do not take my words as saying it is completely safe because as it has been showing experience jumpers -by your definition- can also have incidents caused by their cameras.

To answer some confusion from a few posts up (re: the definition of a circle jerk), it's a lot like the quote above, but with more than one person congratulating himself. Haha, I did find that funny, good job. If you are saying that I am proud of a trait that many people are incapable of then you are correct. I am glad I have the ability to change my mind when presented with factual information.

It is a close minded way to look at it, but it was necessary to establish the state of mind of some of the posters. Which it worked well at. My opinion is that the instructors and coaches you jump with know more than strangers on the internet. Someone post a video resulting in them being attacked by the community without any other details about the situation other than jump number being less than 200 happens relatively often. As many of you have said and I agree with, there are many other factors that come into play in reality. Majority of which are more safety oriented than a camera distraction, the snag hazard of the camera is a real threat. I understand this and agree with you. Again the only reason I asked that closed minded question was to establish information about the people answering. I am open minded and willing to change my opinion. Many people are incapable of admitting a situation exists that goes against their standard position. I believe the C-License is a good recommendation to have for jumping a camera. Because the C-License requires proof of many prolificness. Not the "200 Jump" recommendation people keep saying. Which I think is one of the smaller parts of the C- license requirements. I would much rather see experienced jumpers say c-license than 200 jumps. This is another thing I hoped to accomplish with this thread. I got my answer a while ago and that is why I stopped responding. I concluded that people contribute jump number to ability. Something we all know can be an inaccurate. When all the facts come into play including attitude, following the sim says a lot about a person to the experienced people in this community. In general people should follow the recommendation of a C-license in the SIM, that being said I still believe if the DZO,S&TA, and/or Instructors believe you are ready before then it is ok to take the recommendation of the experienced people that have actually seen you jump over the SIM recommendation and the overall opinion of a community that doesn't know your proficiency level.

The intent is to gather information about the answerer. If they pick the guy with no camera jumps just because he went by the "SIM recommendations" they are just saying that to say it. Like being stuck in their way, kind of like an elderly person who won't change because they have been doing the same thing for so long. Another skydiving example is the performance canopy definition in the SIM

I fully understand and trust what the experienced people have said. However that does not change my question. I asked a very specific question, with only one variable. In the context of the question nothing else matters besides the level of possible distraction. I think we can agree that it is illogical to want to jump with someone who has a higher probability of being distracted. That makes the only logical conclusion to jump with the person with more camera jumps because the chance that the camera is going to distract them is less than the person using it for the first time.

Not at all. A circle jerk is like, saying the same thing just to say it because everyone else does. The only issues I have with some of the answers I received here is when I worded questions to have only one logical answer. When the the answer received is the same as previous statements the answerer clearly disregarded the question to state the same thing over again and/or is stuck in that form of thinking. Example question. In regards to a camera posing a distraction hazard only, would you rather jump with a person with 200 jumps participating in their first camera jump or would you rather jump with a person with 200 jumps participating in their 100th camera jump. It's a loaded question. The person with 99 camera jumps is generally going to be less distracted by the camera as apposed to the person with 0 camera jumps. If someone says the answer is the person with o camera jumps they are either naive or stuck saying the same thing because "the SIM suggests it" hence it being a circle jerk, saying the same thing over and aver just to say it. Using the term "mad skillz" in that way it could also be considered a circle jerk. I'll say it again, I probably won't wait for a certain number of jumps to put on a camera. I will leave that decision up to my DZO and the instructors and coaches I jump with. It could be before 200 it could be after. I'll trust their judgment over a suggestion in a manual. Edit: here is a definition of circle jerk thats basically how I use it. "A group discussion or activity between like-minded individuals that validates mutual biases or goals in a non-confrontational environment."

I'm not panning to jump a camera anytime soon. I have no reason too. I was just curious how people would respond. The DZ circle jerk came in force as expected.

You should just rent until you are ready for a smaller canopy. Unless you already bought the 230. You should be OK it will just be a bit tight. Bottomless corners would make it safer and when you are ready to downsize the container will be ready. What is your exit weight?

I use it when wearing a suit at a formal even. It's easier than undoing my belt, two buttons, and a zipper. General one hand has a drink in it and while I'm peeing I can get some phone time in with the other hand.

Do you jump where it is dusty or moist? It sounds like on of those two.

If you would pick the healthcare system in the US over say the healthcare system in Canada, then there is no point in even trying to convince you that the ACA is a sep in the right direction. I don't vote right often because too many of their policies are influenced by religious beliefs. I should add neither the left or right have is figured out. Our problems could be solved if we had a party that was left with social issues and right with financial issues.

If you would pick the healthcare system in the US over say the healthcare system in Canada, then there is no point in even trying to convince you that the ACA is a sep in the right direction. I don't vote right often because too many of their policies are influenced by religious beliefs. I should add neither the left or right have is figured out. Our problems could be solved if we had a party that was left with social issues and right with financial issues.

As someone who did a tour in afghan and didn't fire a single bullet or get directly shot at I don't like being thanked for my service. I didn't do anything and I'm not special. I would prefer to be left alone. Now WWII vets fox example did something worth thanking them for. I'm also the kind of person that will respect ribbons way before I respect rank.

A couple tips from someone that used to work in the baggage handling industry. The most important and only real rule, If anyone besides yourself is going to handle your bag do not use a duffle bag. There is nothing more infuriating then a duffle bag. They have no structural integrity, they don't stack well, and are generally a pain in the ass. This makes us dislike you and hate your bag. The result? We will purposely put your bag on the bottom and crush it into submission. If it doesn't go on the bottom we will cram it into any space to take up the maximum volume of whatever we are putting it in. This goes for the majority of bellman and airline handlers I have ever met. So if you don't want your stuff to get crushed don't get a duffle bag. Now all of that being said. I use a standard overhead roller bag. I can fit my Rig, G3, and all the other little things in it. Jumpsuits go in the bag with my clothes. Any other valuables go in my second carry on. ie. small backpack. I'm sure I will receive some hate for the baggage comment. I'm just telling you the truth. I wouldn't want my rig to be stuck on the bottom of an airliner luggage bay for any amount of time.

The problem with a cut away system is tolerance. You need to have the helmet mount tight to the camera so it moves as little as possible. For a gopro this means the part that bolts the camera to the mount cannot be tampered with. You also want to minimize bulk. From an engineering standpoint this makes it slightly difficult. I'm pretty busy now but this winter I do plan to draft something up and 3D print it. Only problem is If it is successful I would have a really hard time getting it out there. If people were ok with bolting the mount to their helmet it would be much simpler. You also have to consider the safety of just cutting away the camera. If the helmet is cut away chance are it will remain entangled. If you cut the camera away chances are it will fall off then you have a camera rocketing to the ground. It might not kill anyone but it will certainly do some damage.

"Than" is a comparison, "then" is basically saying next. My bad if I swapped them somewhere. Besides I'm glad I'm awesome at math and engineering. Spelling is not my strong subject.

Those are both excellent points. Let's assume their flying skills are the same for the sake of this. The first one knowing the jumper may be distracted, it's safer to keep the dive simple for their sake. Also since the camera wearer is less comfortable there is less chance they will do anything risky. The second scenario the camera flyer being more comfortable has the potential to be more risky. While they may not be nervous they might out perform they flying skills. Keeping the jump simple makes it safer for everyone else. Actually very interesting. When you look at it with a single scope having the camera as the only factor the logical thing would be the 150 camera jump guy. When you change the scope to involve the camera, flight ability, and behavior. Logic would lead to the jumper with no camera jumps. Of course than can be other factors such as maturity and personality but lets not get into that. I've been looking at the camera as the only factor. With being distracted as the main cause of incidents-which it is-. So if you limit the distraction you limit the risk. While logically correct it doesn't factor in confidence. While the flying abilities may be on par with another 200 jumper there confidence may exceed their flying ability. Thanks for not spouting the normal rhetoric and actually providing something useful.

I'm always up for learning. Information is the key to success.

You are correct. However a C license also recommends everything a B license has, everything an A license has, and some. So to fly a camer it requires everything a B license has, everything an A license has, and some. Which is not the same thing as just 200 jumps. I ask you whats the most imports part of your C license, 200 jumps or successfully demonstrating landing accuracy, canopy control, and free fall control? My age also does not not have anything to do with this conversation.

Interesting, any specific reasons why? Is the 3-way due to the camera or the jump Number.

The argument for being stuck in your ways is question dependants. The question I purposed only has one correct answer. Let me ask another question. Would you ratchet jump with someone who has 200 jumps with 150 camera jumps. Or someone with 200 jumps about to do their first camera jump? I'm not arrogant. You're using that word wrong. I have read the sun. It says C license. Not 200 jumps. Yes 200 jumps is a prereq for a C license. It is not the only thing. My jump number is errelivat to this discussion. A discussion that has drifted away from being useful. So I'll try to get it back. I was told that the recommendation to jump a camera is 200 jumps. I read the SIM and the recommendation is a C license. -yes I undestand that 200 jumps is part of the C license but that is not the same thing- This makes me much happyer than the 200 recommendation and my opinion has changed. 1. You guys do know more than me. 2. I'm suggesting since the recommendation is only that. A recommendation. Newer jumpers are still going to do it. The best thing experianced jumpers can do to help reduce the number of incidents - besides suggesting to wait till they receive a Clicense- is to educate the newer jumpers on the safest way to oplerate the camera.

It's pretty ironic that this is your signature.