ZigZagMarquis

A crashed jump plane... Sorry, I'm a bit too superstitious about such things. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me. That's good!

... ummm, yeah... me too... But seriously, if its time for her to go out to pasture, maybe she could be mounted on a stick outside the USPA Skydiving Museum?

Yeah, well, like I said on YouTube... technically, she's been "for sale" for as long as I've known her to be owned by Van Sr or Jr... everything has its price... Maybe a bunch of us could pool our money... buy her... stick her on a pole at the Ol' Cal City DZ?

N121PM For Sale! http://www.controller.com/list/list.aspx?ETID=1&catid=8&Manu=DEHAVILLAND&MDLGrp=DHC-6&setype=1

Tis the season for the 12-Days of Jumping! On the 1st day of jumping my true love gave to me, a hand-job in an old 3. On the 2nd day of jumping my true love gave to me, two shit house doors and a hand-job in an old 3. On the 3rd day of jumping my true love gave to me, three French whores, two shit house doors and a hand-job in an old 3. On the 4th day of jumping my true love gave to me, four calling girls, three French whores, two shit house doors and a hand-job in an old 3. On the 5th day of jumping my true love gave to me, FIVE BLOW JOBS, four calling girls, three French whores, two shit house doors and a hand-job in and old 3. On the 6th day of jumping my true love gave to me six sixty-niners, FIVE BLOW JOBS, four calling girls, three French shores, two shit house doors and a hand-job in an old 3. On the 7th day of jumping my true love gave to me seven sucking sister, six sixty-niners, FIVE BLOW JOBS, four calling girls, three French whores, two shit house doors and a hand-job in an old 3. On the 8th day of jumping my true love gave to me eight aching assholes, seven sucking sisters, six sixty-niners, FIVE BLOW JOBS, four calling girls, three French whores, two shit house doors and a hand-job in an old 3. On the 9th day of jumping my true love gave to me nine gnawed off nipples, eight aching assholes, seven sucking sisters, six sixty-niners, FIVE BLOW JOBS, four calling girls, three French whores, two shit house doors and a hand-job in an old 3. On the 10th jay of jumping my true love gave to me ten tons of titty, nine gnawed off nipples, eight aching assholes, seven sucking sisters, six sixty-niners, FIVE BLOW JOBS, four calling girls, three French whores, two shit house doors and a hand-job in an old 3. On the 11th day of jumping my true love gave to me eleven licking lesbians, ten tons of titty, nine gnawed off nipples, eight aching assholes, seven sucking sisters, six sixty-niners, FIVE BLOW JOBS, four calling girls, three French whores, two shit house doors and a hand-job in an old 3. On the 12th day of jumping my true love gave to me twelve twats-a-twitching, eleven licking lesbians, ten tons of titty, nine gnawed off nipples, eight aching assholes, seven sucking sisters, six sixty-niners, FIVE BLOW JOBS, four calling girls, three French whores, two shit house doors and a hand-job in an old 3!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29quQ3Nntxg

Its been three years.

Bill, you're trying to hit me over the head and then say I'm missing your point. I'm not missing your point. You don't want body scanners because you don't think we need them and your afraid the dolts a the TSA are going to post scanned photos of your willy. That's what I keep hearing from you. I'm sure you'll accuse me of not listening. I've tried to listen, but body scanners?? WTF... what-ever. If you really want me to listen to what you have to say, try again. However, this is getting tiresome as I'm sure you're tired of me. DSE, I didn't say you said that I said that's what I hear y'all saying. I agree with you that there is cause for concern over erosion of freedoms in the US, but I don't agree with you that body scanners are the most egregious example of that. Can't we go after the bigger ticket items first?

Ooops, I forgot to hit spell check before hitting post reply. License for Bill to make fun of me. Looks like you missed the main point Bill made, then. It *wasn't* about the spelling. Nope I caught that! See I'm not as ignorant as y'all accuse me of being. What I do think... Let me summarize what I’ve hearing from y’all…Bill, DSE, mnealtx, Diablo, kelp, etc. 1) Bill is afraid that pseudo pictures of his junk after having gone through a body scanner may show up on the Internet because some images have been leaked in the past, thus, trash these evil machines and not a word about what or how to punish those who do leak images in the future or hire folks who won’t. 2) DSE is all wrapped in the flag that body scanners are the worst affront to liberty in this country since, well, I don’t know what. I’m with you DSE that there are a lot of affronts to liberty going on in this country, but can we pick a battle cry that’s different then, “Dude, don’t scan my junk!” 3) The crowd here seems to say better training for TSA agents and better use of existing technology is the ticket. Not a bad idea, but not a peep about how this miracle is to happen? 4) I think y’all would rather make fun of the TSA staff then actually consider the evolving threat and how to counter it. Fair enough. Some good jokes and pics to be posted soon, I'm sure. 5) Okay… so if y’all want the body scanners to go away, what do y’all propose we do… that doesn't involve being an asshat that opts for the pat-down, then flicks the TSA agent administering the task shit and getting all pissy afterwards about being felt-up and how degrading it was... DSE withstanding, I'd really like to hear how that goes for y'all.

Yep, knew that. Don't know if he has one of those or still has a CRT?

Okay. If you're going to call me a liar. Best back it up. What did I say that you're accusing me of lying about?

Yes, I've seen that. As I'm sure you're aware you're getting a certain amount of millirads (or less) off of the computer screen you're typing in front of. You can take precautions with a simple piece of aluminium foil shaped into a hat... but I'm sure you knew that.

Give me a break. You post a link saying its 10x more dangerous to go through a body scanner then the what the TSA says and then you say you weren't saying to not go through them. Give me a break.

Ooops, I forgot to hit spell check before hitting post reply. License for Bill to make fun of me.

If you could show where I've said that, you might have had a point. As it is, you're just stirring shit. No, I'm not. You say I'm saying I think people are paranoid if they opt out of the body scanner. While you say one should, because of paranoid fears of over construed dangers. Sorry mnealtx, I think you're the one that's paranoid. You know how ludicrous it sounds coming from someone who jumps out of airplanes for fun that they don't want to go through a body scanner because it might be dangerous? You silly.

Well... as best I can figure, you are!

How do you think any of that will actually prevent a 9/11 type situation, huh? 9/11 was conducted through a pretty brilliant use of social engineering, and a couple box cutters. So all these billions spent, and civil, human, social, and Constitutional rights violations later, we have no box cutters on airplanes. Yeah, right. It's a smoke and mirrors show. It isn't stopping shit. And again, another non-answer of what to do if not this. Awesome.

And if we're going to roll back the restrictions on liberty in this country, then lets not stop with the body scanners. ... don't hear much outrage beyond that though. Funny. Not enough seem to give a shit about the socialist direction this country is going in, something that effects about half the folks in this country and benifits the rest, but the fewer that travel via airline at any given time during a year are bent over body scanners and frisking at airports

Oh you're so easy. I figured you'd jump all over that bait. The scientist that by his science says its safe, but by his fear of the machine going hay-wire and zapping him into the Hulk says he won't go through one. Who's paranoid?

Cool! You found some "experts" on the internet that say body scanners are dangerous. I found "experts" on the internet that say its safe as long as all is working properly... http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/healthday/646395.html Let me try this. It hits some of the points I've been trying, but failing to hit. Read on please. I'm going to listen for awhile, but don't take silence as concent in this case. Cheers all. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/11/24/lumpy-selves/ America, Let's Give the Drama and Hysteria a Rest By Mike Baker Published November 24, 2010 Some TSA dude named Frank got to third base with me the other day while I was on a business trip. Neither Frank nor I were thrilled with the experience... it was all a bit rushed and kind of awkward. I doubt we'll be seeing each other again. Which clearly didn't bother Frank because, by the time I had put my belt and watch back on, he was all about the next fella' in line. Security makes for strange bedfellows to be sure. I report this in a rather clinical manner because honestly I could care less about the intrusive nature of the pat downs or the new body scanners with super X-ray vision. I spent the better part of middle school wishing for super X-ray vision that would allow me to look through girls clothes... particularly Melody's clothes. She was the object of my imaginary pat downs. My point being... Give the drama and hysteria a rest. We have an enemy that has tried repeatedly to blow up airplanes. They look for new and creative ways to do that... we've seen shoe bombs, underroo bombs, printer bombs, bombs shoved up terrorist backsides, efforts to create bombs using liquids and assorted other plots and plans in various stages. In response, we've seen various responses from TSA and others to layer on what is deemed appropriate security given whatever information we have regarding terrorist methodologies, plans and intentions. Often times we are in a reactive mode... We get a shoe bomber so get your shoes off... we learn of plots involving liquids so out goes my big tube of toothpaste... it's been an unfortunate aspect of our transportation security procedures. How do we move from reactive to proactive? How do we limit the intrusive pat downs and exposure to the all seeing pervy scanning devices? By the way, anybody who can get titillated by the screen shots off those scanners should seek medical attention. The answer is profiling. While I find the drama surrounding the latest TSA procedures all a bit much, I'm hopeful it will force us to have a common sense nonemotive discussion about instituting practical profiling procedures. Have you noticed that ever since the grope-fest began there's been a contest by the media to see how many ex-Israeli security specialists can be interviewed to tell us what we're doing wrong. To hear tell, the Israelis are the Justice League of aviation security. Okay, setting aside the unique circumstances that exist in Israel, and the significant differences in volumes of passenger traffic between the two nations, a key takeaway is that the Israelis profile. Call it behavioral profiling if it makes you feel better, but its profiling. The fundamental idea is that not everybody is considered equally suspect. Unfortunately, we've been so preoccupied for the past decade with demonstrating our political correctness that we've never implemented elements of profiling into our layered security. That, of course, has played right into the hands of our enemy and continues to be the weakest link in our defenses. Unfortunately, there are those who cry "bigotry" every time you discuss some form of profiling. What a load of crap. These are the same folks who hijacked the interrogation debate...arguing that anything other than chatting with a terrorist detainee must be torture. Well, the world's not black and white. You can design a security system that incorporates aspects of profiling without being racist. Will it statistically target more travelers from the Middle East? I suppose it might in the odd event most of the terrorists have statistically come from the Middle East. We'll have to check the numbers. If that dynamic changes then I suppose the system will start targeting the next relevant region. The system is based on intelligence collection, behavioral science and common sense. It's not based on random questioning, political correctness or the belief that if we don't treat everyone as equally suspect then the world will hate us. If certain countries protest because their citizens get a bit more of a look-see, then maybe we should toughen up and suggest they collectively spend more time and effort condeming extremism and terrorism. You want less exposure to X-rays and a little more say about who sticks their hands in your pants? Then let's grow up and agree that profiling in some form needs to be part of the process. In the meantime, there's a TSA guy named Frank in a midwest airport who owes me a drink.

Fair enough, but getting spun up over body scanners and pat-downs as the "poster child" of erosion of Liberty in this country!!?? This continues to baffle me? Its like worring about ants when there are elephants stomping around.

And don't let the green weenie get you this Thanksgiving!

You're right. The outrage should be he wasn't fired on the spot.

Really? I'll think on that, but my first blush is there are TONS of things one can't do in the name of public safety. Not having to go through some sort of screening at an airport before boarding an aircraft is the least of which. Do you really think there's not an element of "you really ought to just go through the body scanner" to the whole agressive pat-down thing? Its been said monies are being wasted on the scanners when they could be spent elsewhere to improve airport security, but those suggestions have amounted to better training of the same TSA workers others here are equating to mouth-breading dolts? "We don't want body scanners or enhanced pat-downs as an alternative to the scanners, lets spend the money trying to make the same TSA workers we just got done demigoding better at what they do!" I don't get that as an argument? Again, I don't see opposition to body scanners as a tool vs. the increased threat with no other tangible soloution, but rather deflection of the issue by throwing up the possibility of misuse of images as a relevant argument. At least there are some folks out there saying "don't travel" rather then "opt out of the scannner -- choose the pat-down" and the predictable pissing and moaning to follow from folks who got their junk or boobies felt.

Get a clue from El Al. And Mossad. You want to see outrage over infringement upon rights and liberties!!?? I'd love to take those most bent over body scanners and agressive pat-downs and make them go through Israeli airport security a few times. They'd be running to just go through a body scanner after that.