The first plane I ever went up in was the C-180 I made my first jump out of. I had around 30 take offs with no landings, then I had to stay in the plane due to heavy cloud cover. Since then I've had 5 or 6 jump plane landings, and 5 commercial flight landings. Mike D-23312 "It's such a shame to spend your time away like this...existing." JMH