I feel like telling a story. I am sure most of you have a pretty good idea what kinda story this is going to be, so now would be the time to tune out if you don't want the whole enchilada. There is no blood and guts or gore or descriptions of fatalities, but it does get ugly. You may even feel like i am ugly. Why i bare these things here? Where else do i have to go with it. I need to get it out. I am naming names and pointing fingers. And I will tell you right now i am not proud of this action or any described herein, but i am tired of just carrying this shit around.
This is a sad tale of how when everything that could have possibly went wrong went wrong and then kept wenting wrong.
To various east side folks:
The antogonism, ignorance, violence and disregard that you and those like you have demonstrated since Ela died, specifically november 9 and december 12 and at various times in these forums, have proven you to be of questionable character. I do not trust you. Your ignorance and violence are things that I am able to handle both intellectually and physically as has been demonstrated. These I can almost grok. What deeply saddens and utterly disgusts me is the continued and quite accomplished display of herd mentality and denial among a certain group of people.
[you have already read how we got to this day]
November 9th, 2002
I have watched in horror as an occasion meant for remembrance and closure was turned into an act of selfish and ignorant violence because a person on these boards told Tony Langren that Sky was talking shit and blaming him for ela's death. Luis, I wonder who that person was. My question is where i ever did anything BUT damage control and where did i EVER blame anyone for anything?
In the presence of Elizabeth's family and friends, my family and friends on the day I wished with every fibre of my being to give her loved ones just a little bit of beauty to remember, just minutes before I was to ride up to release Ela's ashes into that desert sunset sky I was confronted, in the middle of a hanger crowded with mourners, by a man who was already furious and physically red demanding to know why i was 'talking shit' about him on the internet.
It was at this time that I knew exactly what was going on. At this point he had not actually READ anything that i had written. If he had, this would not be happening. He had been TOLD something by someone on these boards. Who was that luis? Thats a rhetorical question, luis. I invite anyone to scour these groups and every character typed by me before november 9, 2002 to justify these accusations or behaviour.
and just as a little cocktail of truth, i am going to paste in a pm exchange i had with a man that i had never spoken with before. Dave, if this offends you or in any way makes you feel violated, i just want to say from the bottom of my heart.... tough shit. ;-)
Forums: Messages: Incidents
From: AggieDave
Date Sent: Nov 4, 2002, 1:48 PM
I know that it hurts to loose someone this close to you skydiving, if
you've been in the sport for any amount of time, I'm willing to bet this is not
the first time you've experienced this. I've only been in this sport for a bit
under 3 years and already 3 friends of mine have died and a handful more have
been "lucky" getting away with femurs and shattered vertabre. However, if you
have the correct information about the accident, you really should post it,
instead of trying to stop the thread, since that information might have
something that might teach someone something about their skydiving or how they
teach their students, thus saving their life this weekend, next weekend or years
down the road.
*hug* I know what your going throw, its not easy, know that there is a
whole community of skydivers who care.
There's no desert that ain't seen rain
Nobody here that ain't felt pain
Forums: Messages: Incidents
To: AggieDave
Date Sent:Nov 4, 2002, 1:58 PM
Thanks dave. there are some very serious issues that need to be fully
understood before ANY account of the incident is posted. This is to protect the
heart, reputation and career of people that i trust and respect. I lost the
light of my life, but i am not about to recklessly ruin other lives. capice?
blue skies buddy.
PDS
... pay attention.
NOTE: there will be further quotes of private correspondance for which I obtained explicit permission to reprint from the author
I attempted to explain that i had done no such thing, and that if he had actually read anything i had written he would know that. I then stated that "this is not the time for this discussion. This day is for Ela's survivors, not us. We will handle this later" and I tried to step around him with my hands at my sides. He refused to accept this, jammed both of his index fingers into my chest and shouted "No motherfucker were gonna deal with it right now!". Just for reference we are going to start counting here: #1.
Let me explain to you Luis, I have been trained to help people. I have been trained to control people. I have been trained to injure people. I am familiar with laws regarding assault. In my past it helped keep me out of jail.
At the point of #1, as I attempted egress I was assaulted by Tony Langren, Desert Skydiving Center's S&TA and the last person on earth to see ela smile.
As is in the police report and corroborated by known and trusted members of YOUR drop zone, my behaviour was unquestionably passive and evasive. I controlled my voice and stated "you do not have any right to keep me here, I am trying to leave" and took one step back and to the right. I do not recall what his exact words were, but they were to the effect of "oh yeah, watch me" and as i attempted to walk around him towards my family he again very forcible jammed his index fingers into my chest, attempting to push me back. #2
I then said "Tony, I AM LEAVING". Same results. #3.
At this time I resolved to simple push through, but he decided to grapple with me, actually grabbing me with both hands to keep me there where he wanted me. #4 this time, unlawful detention, assault, battery.
It was at this time that I struck Mr. Langren twice in the left temple in the interest of self defense and to continue my effort to remove myself from an unresolvable situation.
It is interesting to note that it took 5 men to hold Mr. Langren back as he screamed profanity and epiteths while my 53 year old, 90 pound mother simply stood in front of me holding my hand.
Unfortunately, reason did not win that day. Ela's ash dive was cancelled and I was ejected from the drop zone. It was at this point that the disinformation started to flow. I was a maniac and out for blood. Actually all i was looking for was peace. This incident has caused a rift between myself and Elizabeths parents. I cannot bear to face them and try to explain all of this. HOW DARE YOU.
And Luis, before you even think about saying anything ELSE about this, you need to shut the fuck up because YOU WERE NOT THERE IN THE HANGER FOR THE CONFRONTATION.
I believe you to be person who helped him get worked up, creating an no-win situation for me at a time when it was all i could do just to keep breathing. And you are so used to talking shit that you had no problem believing whatever was being held as the party line regarding this situation. if i am wrong, sorry, forgive me. it doesnt change your behaviour.
How convenient is this? the forums are now down, interrupting my research. fuck. I was all ready to dig.
I got my mad on now, can you tell?
So here is where I know I am in for a long haul.
freeflyz
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Nov 11, 2002, 1:22 PM
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Yeah and most skydivers do not assult the S&TA's either!!!! Explain that!
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Someone who wasn't there and ostensibly cares about Ela falsely and publicly accusing me of assault.
My reply
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Please address this in another thread and include the police report.
thank you.
so i took this off to PM to try and resolve it.
if you saw it, you know.
To: freeflyz
Date Sent:Nov 11, 2002, 1:32 PM
if you didn't see it with your own eyes, drop it. there is nothing to gain
reacting to something you heard. if you witnessed the incident with your own
eyes then i do not have to explain anything. it will all come out in the end.
PDS
... pay attention.
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From: freeflyz
Date Sent:Nov 11, 2002, 1:49 PM
Why are you so hell bent in fucking things up.Everybody has went out of there
way to help you!!!! You do not demand people to do what you want them to do!!!!
You jumped without the proper training and you almost kill your stupid
ass!!!!You will never be a real skydiver ever, you do not have the HEART!!!!!!!!
All that crap you did sat,fucked it up for everyone not just the skydivers,BUT
MORE important then us and you, Ela's mother and father,I'm not the type of
person to judge people but notice it's all about you and no one else.All you had
saturday was hate,your hurting your self and others,i hope in time you'll admit
your mistakes,all we tryed to do is help you!!! So sad,your just a lost cause.I
hope you get out of this sport before you kill someone or yourself!!!
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To: freeflyz
Date Sent: Nov 11, 2002, 2:35 PM
would you be proud of what you wrote if i was to post it publicly? I thought
more of you.
PDS
... pay attention.
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From: freeflyz
Date Sent: Nov 11, 2002, 2:41 PM
Go ahead expose your true self to everone!!!!! No problem!!!
