FLYJACK
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I was referring to the quote posted... ,,, you just can't stand being challenged. Personal attack deleted
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The difference is we have contradictory evidence.. Why is this so difficult for you. I asked for contradictory evidence/argument for the matchbook and you failed several times.. Now, that doesn't mean it wasn't an error but you can't claim it was with no evidence or argument.
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Magazine not linked to Cooper, the palm print was from the seat arm.. Nobody claimed to see Cooper write with a felt pen, they saw the note that was already written with a felt pen.
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Olemiss, you fail to recognize the trap you have put yourself in.. now I can add another FAILed argument. You misrepresent my position and attack it. You want to win an argument so badly that you have abandoned logic and reason.. take a deep breath. I said it is possible it is an error but there is no evidence or argument to support that. There are errors in the files and we know it because we have evidence and arguments to identify them.. that is not the case with the matchbook. You want it accepted that it is an error with no evidence or argument... you tried many arguments and failed. The pieces that need to be explained.. The FBI stated the matchbook had writing in it. Cooper took all evidence that had writing on it. His and dictated. Cooper retrieved the empty matchbook,, why?? Cooper left many other things behind..
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Palm print was from the seating area.. they don't know if it was Cooper. Cooper's note was written in felt pen they found a part of a magazine that had felt pen writing and wanted to ask witnesses about it. It wasn't. Witnesses are not claiming to have seen him actively write, they are referring to the initial note.. pre-written by Cooper in felt pen. Doesn't mean he didn't write.. that file just does not confirm it.
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This is false, it doesn't claim it went to the cockpit. "Insinuation" is your own bias. And Tina doesn't refute it... You have made this same argument before and it is bogus. You claim that if we don't have positive confirmation then it didn't happen,, logic 101.. absence of evidence isn't evidence. You tried the cockpit argument.. FAIL You tried the envelope argument.. FAIL You tried the writing wasn't Cooper's argument.. FAIL You tried the absence of evidence argument... FAIL You tried misstating my position.. FAIL All you have is an opinion that the FBI file is an error with NO reasonable argument to back it up... I think you are just trying to justify your own belief without any rational argument. As I said, it is possible it is an error but you have no argument to support it.
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Yes,, Olemiss takes the position that it is an error.. that is possible but Olemiss doesn't have a legit argument for his assertion. So, without a reasonable argument or evidence to refute it we should accept it as likely true... like most things in this case the caveat being it may be an error.
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There could have been writing in the matchbook after Cooper had retrieved it.. The second image ended up being a false lead.. The last image refers to Tina dictating his demands..
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He asked for all notes back with all writing.. that is clear in the files. That included the demands he dictated to Tina..
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No, you are confused.. The FBI file states that he wanted the matchbook back that had writing in it.. you forgot that. You, claim that is an error.. possible but your argument is bogus. So, I ask for a reasonable argument for why he took the matchbook back.. You claimed the envelope was taken back but it had writing on it. You claim it was an error because it wasn't sent to the cockpit.. it didn't have to be to have writing in it. Red herring. Though it is always possible the FBI claim is an error there is no evidence or reasonable argument to refute it,, nothing.
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The envelope did have writing on it..
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There are many ways to obfuscate fingerprints.. Super glue.. or coatings chemicals.. burn.. abrasion.. sandpaper
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You have created a red herring,, A note or something written on the matchbook doesn't have to be sent to the cockpit to be true. It doesn't claim it was.. You have rejected writing on the matchbook based on a false assumption. There was communications with the stews and to the cockpit mostly via interphone with Tina. Again, if not for fingerprints why would Cooper take back an empty matchbook... I can't think of any reason... other than notes written in it as stated in the FBI file.
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Flo's note pad was used for the notes she made in the cockpit. Maybe somebody conflated them.. If Rat confirmed writing on the envelope that is solid. Point is, Cooper wanted all communications back... so, it makes sense if the matchbook had writing in it. Retaining the matchbook was not about fingerprints. AND that supports the contention that Cooper didn't care about prints.. because he had obfuscated them. The long time dominant narrative was that he took the matchbook back because of prints. FALSE
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There is no connection to the subject matter advertised on the matchbook,, it is random.. many companies advertised that way.
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Flo wrote his demands on a plain envelope,, I assume it was his.. though they don't make that clear I can't imagine another plain envelope appearing then.
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That doesn't make sense... he left the cig butts... and we don't know if he even cared about the tie or not. So, if it wasn't for the prints then why?? Writing is the only reason.
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It didn't have to go to the cockpit to have something written on it.. Most Comms were via Tina and the interphone... If he didn't retrieve it for the prints then why? I can't think of any reason..
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I lean toward it being legit... why would Cooper take an empty matchbook? The reason given by most was for the fingerprints.. but that makes no sense, he left other items that would have had prints, he offered money that would have prints, his ticket, the glass, the tie, the plane, the chute, the card.. it makes no sense for him to want the empty matchbook for the prints and not the other things. So, what other reason would there be,,, Writing, he took back things with writing, notes.
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The advertising subsidized the matches, so they were cheap/free where cigarettes were bought... stores or machines.. they were headquartered in PA but available everywhere. They were just cheap/free, ubiquitous and tell us nothing about Cooper. The advertising subject is irrelevant.
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Exactly,, another thing is the empty matchbook Cooper retrieved and taken had notes in it.. Cooper took it because it had writing like the notes not because of prints. Cooper didn't care about prints. IMO, he had obfuscated his prints.
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Yeah,, it is what it is... The 302 may not be complete or accurate, she did say there was a second matchbook that fits but no description of the second cover.. Witness 302's are not facts, they have errors and omissions. On the other side, Tosaw did interview Tina and Rataczak,, both kept in contact. Nothing is certain.. but the ICS cover would have to have been completely fabricated and those aren't typically the type of errors in books...
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Welcome to the Vortex, you can think but you can never believe.. Even the FBI files have errors... they are not conclusions, they are investigative notes. Interviews are not always accurate either... an agent takes notes then it gets typed up later... She confirms two matchbooks.. The Vortex is full of these things...
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Ratazcak also mentioned them. Beat me to it.. Lights are important... Cooper was wearing sunglasses.. how did he see with the lights off and how or what could Tina see looking back at Cooper in the dark? She was maybe 25 feet away.. closing the curtain.
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Tosaw is very reliable,,, but not 100% He said Tina grabbed that second matchbook from the cabinet.. that would be the Skychef one,, When Cooper's matchbook, the ICS was empty. That means Cooper did not bring the Skychef matches with him. It makes sense.
