FLYJACK

No, I don't trust you.

Good for you.. run with that.

Larry does not speak for the FBI and has had many things wrong.. his current opinion is not the FBI's. Your claim was not accurate and misleading to the jury.. nice try though. You said "the FBI now believes" to give the illusion of credibility to your Orchards opinion, very deceptive. I don't expect people to just believe my 8:11 claim.. no problem there. Facts don't seem to matter anymore in the Vortex.... I have very good reasons for not sharing it. In fact, I have a lot of stuff I don't share publicly. I have discovered many Cooper things over the years and shared them so I have earned the right to keep some things for another project. Calling that lame is well, itself lame and makes me want to share even less.. that is why I stopped posting. Your claim of Orchards or the FBI conflating or a time delay is pure speculation. Speculation is fine, but you and your crew sell it as fact and reject 8:11 with no or false evidence. IMO, your argument for a later jump has no merit. Even without my new data the 8:11 time is the most likely jump. I always claimed 8:11-12 time but was open to the possibility of up to 8:15.. my new data confirms 8:11 and removes the possibility of a delay. It was 8:11, a few seconds before or after.. but really close. You people are smart enough to figure it out on your own, eventually. The default position with the known evidence should be about 8:11 unless there is significant evidence to the contrary and there isn't any. My new data is just a bonus.. The burden is yours to disprove 8:11.. it is not mine to prove it even though I have.

I do have new data but won't share it now,, it is for my own project. I have lots of stuff I am keeping for that.. all that stuff will eventually come out. But it isn't really needed, it independently confirms Soderlind's 8:11 time. The bump was an extreme oscillation, not using that term then is irrelevant, it occurred at the end of the rapid increase seen on the gauge. Even Anderson said it was the biggest bump... wait what.. there was more that one.. Clearly, the crew's usage of the term is imprecise. The claim that the FBI conflated the bump and oscillation is speculation and imbeds a false premise that they were completely different events separated by significant time. A self licking ice cream cone, if you will. Soderlind had all the info, times and access to pilots, he came up with 8:11. To claim he was wrong you do need something more than speculation. The diversion around PDX has no relevance to the jump time.. Rat said the call to Soderlind was in the suburbs of Portland.. minutes after the jump. So, there is no positive evidence for Orchards even without my new data. I don't think you are misleading people intentionally on this, I just think you have misunderstood the evidence and presented an opinion as fact.. you kept claiming we now know he jumped at Orchards and the FBI now believes that.. Cooper jumped at 8:11, almost exactly.

Ryan, That is not what I am referring to... re: new data... For years, I did agree with many that there could be a time delay between oscillations and bump but new data confirmed 8:11. I am 95% certain Cooper jumped at 8:11.. I am not claiming 100% because I was not on the plane watching him jump. and DO NOT use Cunningham's altered map times.. they are bogus. The myth that Anderson claimed a delay has been used to justify the FBI conflating the bump and oscillation. The way I read the evidence, there were oscillations ongoing, they increased rapidly about 8:10 which drew the attention of the crew to the gauge. That culminated in an abrupt bump felt by the crew. The bump was an extreme oscillation. So, there is no legitimate argument for a later jump. The new data indicates that Cooper did not jump after 8:11 and that confirms Soderlind's initial analysis for an 8:11 time.

This is the key,,, how long was the money there. I haven't been able to solve that or find any convincing evidence either way and have different TBAR theories based on the deposit time. I am not committed to an early burial. But, if the money was deposited early the dredge layer being 1970 instead of 1974 makes more sense.. However, the money could have been deposited within a few years.... if the rounded off edges were caused in situ then the money was there longer, but if the rounded off edges were from tumbling along the River bottom then it arrived closer within a few years. I have found images of buried money and none has ever looked rounded off like the TBAR packets. Another wrinkle is the fisherman said the beach was replenished often, that was different from the channel dredging but we have no records..

The bump/oscillation jump is the most messed up issue in the Vortex. Cooper jumped at 8:11 almost exactly. I have new data. FALSE.. Anderson did not say they discussed it for minutes then the bump occurred. I monitored the gauges and reported to Captain Scott. We all agreed that the gauges were detecting a disruption of airflow, most likely caused by Cooper testing out the aft stairs. But we all felt one physically distinguishable "bump" with our ears which came abruptly after we had been monitoring the gauges. We all felt it almost in unison, surprised, "there he goes!" It was the largest bump by far, an abrupt pressure change. We all thought he had exited the aircraft at that point, because the gauges never detected any further major airflow disruptions after that ‘thud’. The re-test duplicated the oscillations and the pressure bump exactly. It was very dark, with virtually no ground reference except when we got in the Portland area. We bounced around the clouds, with occasional breaks. The 727’s slipstream initially overcame the aft stairs hydraulic system. The stairs weren’t opening like Cooper needed. Cooper called me on the interphone while Tina was riding up front with us. Cooper had let Tina come to the front. He yelled, "slow it down!." I stated back to Cooper, "OK." And we did; we slowed the plane. The oscillations continued, as I remember, but were smoother and we hadn’t heard anything from Cooper. Bill called back to him and he finally answered. He said everything was “OK”. More time passed. And then suddenly came that “bump”. After the final "bump" which we felt with our ears, we all discussed it for awhile, waiting for another bump. It never repeated, so we assumed that was his exit. But we discussed this among ourselves before notifying NWA. The truth is, we just didn't know for sure. I just don't recall how much time lapsed between feeling the final "bump" and reporting it to NWA via radio. That’s where the uncertainty has come from. But later we all thought that final bump was his exit.

Willow Bar was dredged at TBAR 1965, 1970 and 1974.. It does make a lot of sense if that the layer identified by Palmer was actually the 1970 dredge layer, not 1974. It was 2 feet below the money in 1980. Scenario 1.. The money arrives on TBAR above the 1970 dredge layer and before (under) the 1974 dredge layer.. from 1974 to 1980 TBAR erodes down through the 1974 dredge layer to the money. Still 2 feet above the 1970 dredge layer. Scenario 2.. The money arrived after and above the 1974 dredge layer, from 1974 to 1980 TBAR erodes to expose the money two feet above the 1974 dredge layer,,, this doesn't make sense. IMO, that dredge layer under the money was the 1970 layer. The money arrived before the 1974 layer was put on top and eroded to 1980 exposing the money still two feet above the 1970 dredge layer. No way you get 6 years of erosion to expose money still 2 feet above the 1974 dredge layer.

Cooper wasn't a Yakima Indian. Yes, white/caucasians do lose their dark olive complexion if not exposed to strong sun,,, are there exceptions, sure. But we get nowhere elevating the exceptions. Research dark olive complexion, it comes from the sun, it is a tan.. The witnesses are actually seeing Cooper's tan, it is just dark olive and not the reddish bronze for most people. I guess it depends on what you call dark olive. If people said Cooper was white/caucasian with a (regular) tan we would have no disagreement. No tan in the PNW in November. It is a tan, my impression is that it was noticeably dark for a white/caucasian. The sketch is not dark olive,, that may be because if it was not permanent the sketch would be misleading.. and it is hard to get it accurate. I believe a white/caucasian with a dark olive complexion is far more likely from a tan than being permanent.

Yeah, not necessarily. Those are more "native" names or 1st generation. Cooper was described as White/Caucasian with dark olive complexion. That could be latin American or Mediterranean decent.. or a mixed race.

Don't understand your argument. Not all Latin appearing people have Latin names.. many don't. Maybe you are thinking "latin appearance" means something more specific.

Sure, we can infer it... it isn't 100% but it is a strong likelihood. Cooper was described as dark/olive/swarthy and Latin appearance.. that is caused by the sun, they get dark quickly when exposed to strong sun, that is their genetic trait. The witnesses noticed it so it had to be obvious (other than Mitchell). Cooper was a Caucasian with a dark olive complexion. That is a reaction to the sun. It is a suntan. They do go lighter when not exposed and darker in the strong sun.. people are not exposed to strong sun in November in the PNW. I have pics of Hahneman and he is dark others looks light,, Skip has pics where he looks light. Dark olive complexion is a suntan. Two of my friends growing up, one is Italian and one Greek,, their parents moved here. So, legitimately Mediterranean. Both got noticeably dark olive in the summer sun, very fast.

Huh...

Yes, you can. I live in the PNW,, in November it is mostly cloudy and rainy and on the odd sunny day the sun is very weak. Temps are very rarely freezing. People do not tan at that time unless they are up in the freezing snowy mountains. You can argue Cooper was climbing on the top of Mount Baker in November and got a snowburn but that is another example of using an extreme outlier.. it is possible but extremely unlikely. So, unless Cooper was skiing or ice climbing recently in the PNW, he was not from the PNW. With a very high probability Cooper was not in the PNW for very long before the hijacking. He obtained his recent dark/olive complexion elsewhere. This is how you have to evaluate the evidence when you don't have 100% facts.. If you emphasize a rare possibility, you get nowhere and go in circles. You can always find an exception to anything. Beyesian analysis and probabilities is the only way to move forward.. Portland average high November 53F average low 40F average snowfall 0

It suggests that Cooper was recently in a strong sunny climate in November... that is not the PNW. I assume he chose that flight, just that he was not local or at least not recently. Point is, his dark/olive "tan" would not have been caused by the PNW climate November 24. It was likely obtained elsewhere.

In the FBI files there were suggestions to target "Latin" groups but no follow ups in the files so far... The FBI did use Latin/Olive when screening suspects. Doing some research on dark olive complexion, they turn dark olive quickly when exposed to sun, a tanning process. The PNW in November is NOT a sunny environment which indicates that Cooper being dark/olive was likely NOT from the PNW.

I call it the "elephant in the room" because many people even high profile Cooper researchers try to dismiss, diminish or even ignore it. This blindspot has gone on for years. Clearly, he is a Caucasian with a Latin/Olive/Swarthy appearance.. one of the best clues we have.

Elephant in the room,,,

Since Cooper jumped with a back reserve and would not have had an accurate take on the wind his drift was up to potentially about 5 miles, depending on his pull elevation. A 5 mile drift makes the potential LZ 78.53982 sq. miles. Almost 80 sq miles is massive. We have a wind estimate and can reduce that to maybe a third but Cooper likely wouldn't have known that when he jumped. That indicates Cooper did not jump to a specific pre-determined area. It was random or ad hoc. There was no precision involved. Cooper did not jump to an accomplice.. Cooper did not know where the plane was going to be. IMO, his initial plan was not to jump in the PNW.. he jumped early to avoid being on the plane in Reno. A question for jumper's.. Cooper asked for mains but received back reserves, he looked over the chutes and chose the newer "military" one.. Would an experienced jumper be able to tell that they were reserves? Would an experienced guy like Braden know or check that they were mains? Does the fact that Cooper jumped with a back reserve after inspecting the chutes tell us anything about him or his experience?

Uranium and Thorium aren't that rare and were in many things in the late 60's. Death, taxes and random Cooper tie theories...

It's official,, Skip Hall is the new Duane Weber,,, The Forrest Gump of Cooper suspects...

Good job Ryan,, You have slightly walked back the previous certainty claim of an Orchards jump.. smart move. Cooper jumped at 8:11, give or take few seconds. Something that has been overlooked even by most experts... Cooper asked for fronts and backs, that is a front reserve and back main.. He received a front dummy, front reserve and two back reserves.. not mains. So, he did not receive what he had requested or expected. I assume he did not know that he jumped with a back reserve, unlikely, they are designed to reliably open and get you to the ground... they are not steerable. Experts say easy jump no problem they would do it,, but would they do it with a back reserve??? You land where the drift takes you, in a wet PNW night.. Jumping in those conditions with a main is brave or stupid, jumping with a reserve is crazy.. A reserve is more reliable but not controllable. That raises the likelihood of Cooper landing under canopy but also raises the potential for a hard landing and injury. Point is, he effectively asked for a main but jumped with a back reserve.

Back to Cooper... I have a new working theory about TBAR.. something to think about. What if the dredge layer below the money identified by Palmer was not the 1974 layer but a pre-NORJAK dredge layer.. Willow Bar dredging frequency was 4x out of 5 years prior to 1972. I recall reading about TBAR dredge deposits prior to NORJAK.. Not all would be deposited on TBAR,, but if we assume that layer was pre-NORJAK it makes more sense. The money would have been below the 1974 layer which would have been eroded away in the 6 years to 1980 exposing the money at the surface.. There was no added material after 1974.. that extended time would maximize erosion. If the money was on top of the 1974 dredge why did it take 6 years to expose it,, doesn't really make sense. If that 1974 dredge was on top of the money it rationalizes the money being covered in 1974 and in place for many years until 6 years of erosion exposed it.. I like it.. it makes more sense.

Wrong. I wasn't trying to hide my identity,, I intentionally chose something obvious that wasn't my real name. I hate FB and its data collection scam. Lots of people don't use their real names on FB,,

I still don't agree, Ulis blocked me but you played a role in it,, that is what I said. Maybe it wasn't your intention to get me blocked but I believe your actions did play a role in it. Look, I don't care about FB..