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So, the obvious question is,, was the Sky Chef matchbook available on NORJAK and did Tina grab those. Tosaw claimed she grabbed "company" matches.

This is the reason sketch B was created.. Sketch A looked too young and lacked 'latin" complexion. Agents were wasting time with suspect leads that were too young or the wrong complexion.

The "Sky Chef" matches... Where did they come from,, answer,, almost anywhere,, hotels, plane flights and restaurants. Possibly even NorthWest Airlines. Tina reached to grab company matches,, were those the Sky Chef ones?? Was Sky Chef the inflight catering for NW.. maybe. Could Cooper have obtained them on another Sky Chef catered flight to Portland?? Sky Chef was a subsidiary of American Airlines, they had inflight catering contracts on 30 airlines as well as airport locations and hotel deals.. July 1971. I have been trying to figure out if NorthWest had used Sky Chef.. AI says "yes" but that needs verification. Was Sky Chef the NW catering service and did they supply Sky Chef matchbooks?? Restaurant locations.. undated.

I think c99acer is arguing that the money went to Cooper in single packets and the rubber bands were added before the money landed on TBAR... There is no evidence or argument to support this.. all the evidence indicates the money went to Cooper in bundles of packets.. It is not confirmed if they were randomized or in 5's.

FBI files have Cooper in the Lav for several minutes.. not 45.. Lauren Peterson is not credible so it is hard to know what if anything he says is true..

No, you are wrong, the FBI said they weren't commenting on the packaging, it was hold back info because only Cooper would know. So, there were no packaging statements made prior to the find. Claiming there was no info before the find supports your argument is nonsense. Tina did not claim no rubber bands, a misinterpretation of her 302. Her "small package" claim is subjective, not meaningful. Agent Pringle and Baker said at the time of the find the money was initially in bundles.. A witness said the money in the bag looked like bricks aka bundles. The bank guys claimed it was kept in bundles. You really have no argument.. clinging to a misread of Tina's vague 302 isn't convincing.. I don't really get why you think the money was not given to Cooper in bundles. There is no support at all for that position.

How tall was Braden in shoes... He is listed at 5' 8" in records but those are almost always without shoes. Braden is likely 5' 9" in shoes. Ryan started this height myth that won't die.. "Nobody would estimate somebody 5' 8" at 6 feet tall" ,, wrong. This is a made up opinion repeated over and over. It is an opinion with no factual basis. At least nine errors/flaws in the argument that get repeated.. 1. Height is almost always reported without shoes, so add an inch. A 3" differential for Braden. Nobody seems to understand this and not using a suspects actual height in shoes is flawed. This repeated error makes the differential wider than it actually is. 2. Two male NORJAK witness had Cooper at 5' 9". Men are more accurate than women for estimating males. This is always ignored. 3. Witness height recall is known to be one of the least accurate descriptors. Nobody measured Cooper's height, recall is based on many variables. 4. Cooper was seated almost the entire time. Did Alice see him standing, did Flo after he handed her the note? How close was Tina when she saw him standing? 5. NORJAK has a relatively small primary witness sample size. 6. The FBI told agents to NOT eliminate based on height to 5' 8". Checkmate. 7. It is also provably false. For Hahneman's hijacking many witness had him at 6 feet. He is between 5' 9" and 5' 10" in shoes. The overestimate elimination claim is false. 8. The original Cooper description was 5' 9" to 6 feet. It was changed to 5' 10" to 6 feet to reflect Tina because she saw him standing, that doesn't mean she was right and the two male witnesses were wrong. 9. The confines of a plane makes people appear taller, perception gets distorted. The doorway is lower, the overhead is low and causes people to duck to get into the seats. So, how tall was Cooper?? in shoes, at least 5' 8", probably close to 5'10". Using height in shoes below 5' 10" to eliminate a suspect is very poor judgement. If he FBI used 5' 8"... why do people make up some new arbitrary height?? Braden wasn't Cooper but not based on height assuming he was 5' 9" in shoes. He had thinner hair, dimples and grey eyes.. Remember Ryan had Darren on his show and estimated he was 5' 9".. Darren said no 5' 7".. So, estimating height isn't as precise as people want to believe. FBI.. 5' 8" is not sufficient to eliminate... and the FBI used 5' 8" to vet Elsinore suspects. Why do these facts get ignored... bad analysis.. never eliminate based on assumption. Anybody claiming that a suspect under 5' 10" is too short and eliminated has to justify what they know that the FBI did not... they can't so they just ignore it.

Defeats what purpose.. that makes no sense. Making the bundles a random size was to make Cooper think the money was just gathered/prepared and less likely marked. The money is stored in bundles of 5 packets, that is $10,000 per bundle and 20 bundles total for Cooper. It would take no time at all to pull a few packets from those 20 bundles of 5 packets and make some new bundles. Randomizing them would take less than 5 minutes.. Also, a packet is about 0.5" thick.. So, a bundle of 3 packets would only be about 1.5" thick. One witness said the money bag looked like it had bricks in it,, that is bundles... There is no doubt the money was in packets of 100 bills rubber banded into bundles.. most likely randomized sizes but not known for sure.

7:19 in video Himmelsbach.. Money was given to Cooper strapped in 100's and bundled with rubber bands.. A strap is bank lingo for 100 bills paper bank banded.. "There were ten thousand twenty dollar bills assembled in straps of a hundred bills to a strap and individual straps held together with rubber bands."

Nope. There are maybe four FBI sources that I can recall saying the money was given to Cooper in bundles... 302's are not always precise and complete.. They are interview notes that are later summarized. 302's are not facts or conclusions they are investigative notes. Tina's 302 does not indicate the money was not in bundles of packets.

Does not mean there weren't any. Bundles were held together with rubber bands, that is the only method. The money was given to Cooper in bundles. We don't know what was handed to Tina. Her 302 only says "package"...

Not entirely true.

The FBI was holding back that info claiming only Cooper knew. but there are several sources indicating packets/flats of 100 bills ($2000) rubber banded into bundles.

Cooper initially asked for two parachutes then four.. not exactly.. Two parachute assemblies means 4, one assembly is a back and front reserve.. He didn't change his parachute request, he clarified it.

Not likely, the original money given to Cooper was rubber banded into bundles of packets and the FBI said it was in the same order and packaging..

CKRET • DB Cooper in Skydiving History & Trivia May 1, 2008 · Report reply And so I shall Maurico, Sorry, I have been crazy busy but I did make some progress. We could not find a photo (yet) of the bag used for the money but I was able to confirm it was like the one I posted, a simple money sack. As for the "shocking " information about the money, I spoke with the individual who carried the money from the bank to the airport the night of the hijacking. When I was talking with him he recounted that they were in the vault running the money through the counting machine and strapping the bundles. I didn't catch it at, first but later in our conversation I caught on to the strapping part and said, "wait a minute." "you were strapping the $20.00 bundles with $2,000 paper straps?" He said "yes" and I almost fell out of my chair. So I then started putting calls into Brian Ingram. He called me back and we spoke about the discovery of the money. What I found was that the money was not recovered near the water but about 20 to 40 feet from the edge. He said he found it in an area that had recently been covered in water. So I thought, "well not really much of a difference." I then asked for the details about the condition of the money when he found it and he confirmed, after speaking with his parents, that the money absolutely had rubber bands around the bundles. This makes sense because there is no way paper straps would have kept the money together over the years. So this all means, on face value, that if the money given to Cooper by the bank had paper straps and the found money had rubber bands....... well you could see how I was a bit perplexed. This would mean that either Cooper lived and repackaged the money or someone found the money and repackaged it. Which would be "par for the course" with regard to this case. I then went back and re-interviewed the bank security manager and found out that he wasn't directly involved in packaging the money, only carrying it to the airport. He was relaying what their normal procedure was for processing and packaging money for shipment. The funds that were given to Cooper were not pulled from their circulating cash but from a security fund that was prepackaged for these types of incidents. This money was not strapped because the bank did not want any subjects to know where it came from so it was packaged with rubber bands. My head was spinning for a few days until I could get it straight. As for the "oscillation" explanation that still stands. The crew was referring to the equipment not the pressure bump. In fact, a hand written log that was being kept as the evewnts unfolded has an entry at 8:11 that the crew reported the cabin pressure was "fluctuating." So the time reported when the crew mentioned the oscillations was when Cooper most likely started down the stairs. The further he got down the stairs the more air would be rushing through the cabin. The pressure bump, which would be when he jumped, occurred (according to Rataczak) 10 to 15 minutes after their last contact with Cooper at 8:05. CKRET aka Larry Carr conflated packets and bundles... he didn't get that packets were paper banded and bundles rubber banded. He also incorrectly stated that each packet (100 bills) was randomized, he misunderstood. Bundles were randomized not packets. Also, Grinnell didn't know if the bundles were randomized. IMO, the balance of evidence tips to randomized bundles of packets. The TBAR money most likely landed as a 3 packet rubber banded bundle.. as it went to Cooper.

You rely on Baker using Himmy and him being unreliable,, that is all speculation. But, you missed the biggest PRO of all... There were only 3 packets with rubber bands found on TBAR.. If they were in 5's when landing there and two somehow separated the rubber bands would not have been there. So, it is most likely they arrived as a rubber banded bundle of 3 packets. If all the bundles went to Cooper in 5's, then two packets are missing form the TBAR bundle.. Either.. The bundles went to Cooper randomized... or Cooper removed two packets at some point or somebody else removed them before they landed on TBAR.. why?? this is possible but less likely than the bundle going to Cooper as a 3 packet one. Did he actually pull two packets from a bundle and that one end up at TBAR,, would be really strange.. Either two packets were removed before TBAR or the bundles were randomized. Though we don't know for sure I give a slight edge to the randomized bundle scenario. One more thing to consider.. The FBI said the money was in the same order and packaging as given to Cooper.. They never questioned the two missing packets if the bundles were in packets of 5. If they knew the money went to Cooper in bundles of 5 packets then the fact that only three were found would have been a big issue,, why were two missing... it was never brought up. It would lend more credibility to Cooper surviving.. if the FBI knew the bundles went to Cooper in 5 packet bundles.

Right after the money find but before it was counted by the lab.. It still doesn't make sense that he would make up the "randomized bundle sizes"...

FBI agent Baker.. bundle sizes were randomized,, that means various number of packets per bundle.. IMO, I agree, why would he say this if it didn't happen? Bundles were typically stored in 5 packets per each bundle. Easy to quickly randomize the number of packets per bundle. TBAR money was in the same packaging and order as given to Cooper. Why would he say this if it didn't happen? Not a typical error to make.

NACA (later NASA) test pilot from 1945-1973 George Cooper was the 1954 inspiration for Albert Weinberg's Dan Cooper comic character, changed to Canadian test pilot for the European audience.. Perhaps hijacker "Cooper" also used George Cooper as the inspiration for the name Cooper..

That sucks,, nobody should have to go through something like that.

Not really,, Josh is not finding or doing anything himself... he is using unproven theories and conjecture from others. His show is essentially TV "clickbait".. nothing is proven or resolved. Mostly rehashed stuff. His show is made to be entertaining not informative. For the Dean car he covers known stuff about it then uses the claim from a guy that he helped seal it in a wall of a building,, this isn't new and was never proven.

Well done,, those vids take a lot of work. Not sure what it will take to finally end the McCoy grift.. Facts don't matter.. Though he did get the tie particles tested, Josh has really disappointed... and gone for the low info audience.

nailed it.. Josh is the new Geraldo....

Hayden never described the container as an NB6 or any other model .. The one Cooper rejected now at the museum is a Pioneer P2-B-24 early 1940's civilian container with newer harness and canopy. There were many very similar rigs of that era both civilian and military.. The one Cooper used was Olive Drab according to Hayden indicating a military version. The other card is not available, I have done a FOIA for it.. but there is a description of it in the FBI files, it does not use "NB6". Hayden described the missing chute as Olive Drab with tan cotton harness. Cossey described it as Sage Green nylon container and Sage Green nylon harness, that is consistent with an NB6, Hayden's description is not. NB6's can be made by different manufacturers but they are Sage Green from the mid 50's.. Hayden said they were the same.. I take that to mean similar but different colours.. Hayden wanted two cheap rigs to meet the regulations for his acrobatic plane, he never intended to use them. The NB6 is very different rigs. Hayden would have bought two similar and cheap rigs to meet regs.. The ONLY source for the "NB6" is Cossey's claim.. he initially believed Emrich grabbed his chutes from Issaquah. Cossey said he was called and the remaining chute was described so he assumed the other chute was his NB6. Cossey must have learned within a day or so that Hayden's chutes were used but he never corrected his error or supplied his packing records, he even said in later interviews that he still had the records and could ID the chutes. He told FBI agent Carr the two back chutes came from his house.. He claimed his chute left behind was returned to him, it wasn't, it went to Hayden.. Cossey made an error and lied for years to maintain his initial error. To accept "NB6" you have to believe Cossey and believe he knew the chutes came from Hayden the night of the hijacking and reject the contradictory evidence.