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I am keeping my analysis for my own project.. Cooper could not have jumped after about 8:11. Everybody knows the crew transcripts. Soderlind was listening in, they called him several minutes later.. in the suburbs of Portland but had not reached Portland. The problem is the terminology the bump was an extreme oscillation, they were slight for some time but increased rapidly on the gauge at 8:11 culminating in the "bump" felt by the crew. The bump was not minutes later but the last extreme oscillation on the gauge in a series.

Interesting,, So, Ryan was wrong as usual when he claimed Hahneman did not have to stop for fuel. He did and he chose New Orleans. Then Ryan suggests in a bizarre abuse of logic that because he didn't refuel in the Caribbean that he isn't Cooper. Let's leave that one aside for now. Two things, to go to the Caribbean first they would be going way out over the Atlantic Ocean.. to New Orleans was over land,, and the southern Caribbean was about as far as Honduras.. The runways in the Caribbean were very short but some operators did fly 727's in there. This is where it gets interesting,, although 727's could land on short runways it depends on some variable.. the model, the engine configuration, elevation, flap settings as some were blocked off for safety. Eastern flew 727's in there but only planes equipped with front brakes. So, it isn't a given that any or all 727's could land on those short Caribbean runways. After takeoff from New Orleans he had the plane fly East then South across the Gulf of Mexico minimizing the distance over the water. Yes, a parachuting hijacker flew over the water. IMO, having a gun and a fake bomb vs only a real/fake bomb makes all the difference. If the plane is rushed a real/fake bomb only is an automatic death.. a gun gives you some distance and defence..

No they didn't get it wrong, this delay myth that has been created and pushed by prominent Cooper researchers for years... it is false and has no evidence to back it up. In 1971/72 they had more data and access to the crew with two independent analyst getting the same spot. I did another analysis with different data and found it matched 8:11,,, they got it right.. previously I was open to Lewis R to BG, but no it was 8:11. This idea that there was several minutes delay and a BG jump because the FBI was so stupid they didn't understand the difference between an oscillation and a bump is pure nonsense. The bump was the last big extreme oscillation of a rapidly increasing series. The oscillations increased rapidly and there was an abrupt bump at the end.. no meaningful delay, we are talking seconds not minutes. Cooper jumped right about 8:11 and do NOT use Cunningham's altered map path times they are wrong. Nobody has a legit argument evidence based to show Cooper jumped after about 8:11..

You are wrong,, to go south to Mexico or Reno you can go many ways.. included the coast. Where Cooper jumped North of Portland the plane could have been 75 miles either side, mountains to ocean, that is roughly a 150 mile horizontal line they could have crossed. To claim by not giving instructions he didn't want to go the coast is an inversion of logic. A jumper would not want to go the coast,, but because he never said anything that indicates he wasn't jumping over the coast.. get it. He initially wanted to jump beyond the US..

Cooper never picked,,, anything., the plane could have gone anywhere to Mexico/Reno, once you get that it all makes sense.. You are stuck believing he had input on the flightpath.. Mexico and Reno was his only input and the plane could have taken any route they wanted, they didn't even have to use an airway.. they could have gone over the ocean and seriously considered it. The fact that Cooper never gave flightpath instructions when he could have tells you everything. There was no downside for Cooper to indicate a path. He didn't... My theory reconciles this and other things that no other theory has done. Cooper did not have foreknowledge of his location where he jumped,, it was ad hoc. He did not target an LZ, he did not target PDX,, he just decided to go before Reno. He was delayed having trouble with the airstairs then picked a spot and went. To claim he had input beyond Mexico/Reno is just not true. This is Cooper 101... not even debatable.

No, this is just incorrect, a misunderstanding of the issue,, the original point is NOT whether a parachutist/hijacker would have a problem going out over the coast. Clearly they would, if they were jumping. This is not the actual debate. The fact is Cooper was not concerned about 305 going down the coast to Mexico or Reno.. he gave no directions and the crew seriously considered going out over the ocean.. The fact that he didn't care indicates that he wasn't jumping until much later. AND the speculation that Cooper rejected LA and SF because they were on the coast and not what he actually said.. "they were too big" does not make sense. He had no reason to lie, he could have just said don't go over the ocean... or give the route over land.. Reno is West of LA... So, the idea that he rejected those Airports based on going down the coast has no merit. They didn't have to go down the coast to SF/LA and he never gave directions from Seattle when they could have gone down the coast for the Mexico or Reno flight. The answer is exactly what he said,, "they were too big.." The guitar was just recovered days ago and has not been made public, I don't know how long it will take or if they will go public. This one is a really big one... I don't want to front run them and go public.. but I have found 2 now and that is beyond amazing because almost all recovered are identified by the current owner. Both of my recoveries were cold searches through the internet based solely on the wood grain. Bachman's guitar took a year and a half before the media caught on and went nuts,, but it took 2 years to get it back due to Covid restrictions.. Bachman's took 2 weeks to find and two years to recover, this one took 3 years to find and 24 hours to recover..

No they don't,, SF is barely west of Red Bluff and Reno is East of LA.. the flight to Reno went to Red Bluff.. a flight to SF or LA can go through Red Bluff v23.. Again, the crew considered going out over the ocean from Seattle. Cooper never mentioned anything about the coast or any path.. if Cooper was concerned about the coast he would have said something about it. We have the evidence but all you guys keep making up stuff and ignoring the facts.. If you claim what is possible you get nowhere, anything is possible... stick with what is probable based on the evidence. There is no way to advance this case if you don't do that.

Speculating on what,, the evidence indicates Cooper had no input on the path other than Mexico then Reno... you know that. The crew discussed going out over the ocean they could have been anywhere along a 150 mile horizontal line when Cooper jumped. This is getting ridiculous... You guys have lost it,, Cooper said the airports were too big, He was never concerned with the coast,, he did not give directions, the plane could have been anywhere along a 150 mile line,, trying deny all this and make up something else is regressive. I think I am just wasting my time here.

I was trying to put it back in the context of the original point... Cooper never indicated anything about going down the coast or not. The original claim was that a parachutist would reject going down the coast,, of course if they were jumping over water,, the point was he wasn't going to jump over water. If Cooper was concerned with the coast he would have given instructions to avoid it... he didn't. There are several designated airways the plane could have taken,, it could have not used those routes... He said he the US airports were too big.. that makes more sense than anything.

Georger, what has got into you.. He was not in control of the flightpath... you know that. The plane could have been about 75 miles either side of where he jumped going to Reno.. He did not target his jump.. Ryan's PDX thing is nonsense.

Nope... You are smarter than that, Georger. You know Cooper gave no input other than Mexico and Reno... V23 was 10 miles wide, the plane could have been about 75 miles either side of where he jumped, from the mountains to just off the coast. This is Cooper beginner level stuff.

Obviously, point is Cooper never indicated to not go over the coast/ocean for his Mexico or Reno demand.. and the crew considered it. but he did reject large US airports for refuelling. The claim is he didn't want to be close to the coast,, which is contradicted by his lack of concern for 305 taking the coast.

So, yes he did have to refuel and yes you were wrong again you claimed he could have easily made Honduras..... DO you ever get tired being wrong... no you move the goalpost.. I don't know about the possibility of fuelling a 727 at any Caribbean airports in 1972 but they needed to refuel and he chose New Orleans, he had lived there, his father died and is buried there... he is familiar with it. And it doesn't prove anything. Perhaps it was because he had a gun he felt safer landing.. Cooper had a bomb, fake or real he would have died if they stormed the plane.. Clearly, the circumstances were not equal but you don't really care about that you just want to discredit me because I called out your nonsense. Stick with your juvenile and unfounded claim that Cooper had an accomplice/transportation at PDX and it was a targeted LZ.. we know that is nonsense but you probably have an accomplice in mind so push that narrative. BTW,, I ran Hahneman through your matrix and he is number one... you scored some things incorrectly. You will ignore that as it makes you look biased. Ryan’s matrix for Hahneman.. he gives him only 9 points.. Ryan obviously has some things wrong. I count 15 points on Ryan’s matrix, 16 minus 1 for height.,, should be 17 if you use the FBI height minimum not Ryan’s personal opinion. Either way Hahneman wins Ryan’s matrix… almost a perfect score. But he can't be Cooper. Ryan's matrix.. Hahneman's scoring on Ryan's matrix.. 1 opportunity 1 point 2 height -1 FBI disagrees with Ryan,, should be a 1 FBI used 5-8 and said do not use to eliminate. What does Ryan know that FBI didn't. 3 Complexion 1 point 4 Age 1 point 5 Drinker 1 point 6 Parachute training/experience 1 point 7 Pilot 0 points 8 Aviation history 2 points 9 727 knowledge 1 point he flew on extensively, not sure if that counts or does it mean specific technical knowledge. 10 Criminal history 1 point committed serious crimes but wasn’t charged. No evidence Cooper had a criminal history. FBI believed he didn’t. Obviously later a convicted criminal. 11 Spent time in PNW 1 point 12 Know McChord 1 point must have in air force, Pacific region navigator. 13 Tie particles 1 point 14 Family 1 point 15 Dropzone incorrect (-3) 0 16 Eye witness photo (-3) 0 17 Eye witness see later (-1) 0 18 Demolition 1 point 19 Smoker 1 point 20 Neutral accent 1 point

No, he didn't stop them from flying over the ocean.. the ocean is also south.. he had no input on the path to Mexico then Reno.. The crew discussed going out over the ocean.. they could have gone out over the ocean to Mexico or to Reno.. I really don't understand this mental block by several people that Cooper had input into the path of the plane,, he did not. He had zero foreknowledge of the location of the plane when he jumped.

He didn't care about the west coast because he was going jump south of the US border. His goal was to get the plane going toward Mexico City, landing in Mexico to refuel give directions inflight. He did nothing to prevent the crew from flying out over the ocean from Seattle which they seriously considered. That indicates he was not concerned. My theory makes sense and reconciles a bunch of things that have been unresolved. Hahneman flew across the Gulf of Mexico chased by military jets.

I am not looking for credit... I just want the truth.

Who ever said it is beneficial,, the point was the crew considered flying out over the Ocean from Seattle and they could have. Cooper never said anything like.. hey don't fly out over the Ocean from Seattle. He didn't care about the ocean so why would he care about LA or SF which could have been approached by land. The fact that he didn't care about the plane going out over the ocean from Seattle supports the later jump plan and contradicts his jump as being targeted. If they went out over the ocean from Seattle he couldn't jump.

Ryan, you lied when you said I was claiming my theory was fact... Yet you are essentially telling everyone on this message board right now that you KNOW FOR A FACT that Cooper flew in from somewhere else and didn't drive himself to Portland or have an accomplice who dropped him off. The reason was to discredit me. I never claimed it was fact, I said it was a theory. You always do this, you play the strawman garbage when you are challenged on something for some personal revenge.. You falsely restate my position then attack it.. It is dishonest. You were wrong about Hahneman's flight refuelling but that isn't good enough, you have to keep going,, My theory is based on much more than what Cooper was thinking.. there you go lying again. You are such a waste of time. I cut you slack and you go right back to your nonsense. Good luck getting anywhere in this case... Just put me on ignore..

and Ryan, you still have the placard messed up.. The type of placard found was assigned to 727's with the optional emergency airstair release,, 305 did not have that option. You keep claiming the placard is seen intact in the image of 305.. that placard is not the same one that was found in the woods.. The hicks placard or one matching it was never on 305. You keep claiming your photo of 305 proves the Hicks placard isn't from 305.. Shutter and I proved years ago that 305 never had that type of placard at all.. Your conclusion is correct but your argument is wrong.

I know he didn't mentioned v23, I mentioned it because v23 would still be taken to those other destinations.. The coastal argument doesn't make sense because they could have taken the coast from Seattle and Cooper never said anything about it.

I think so,,, it is in Rataczak's Northwest video presentation.. Doesn't really matter.. LA and SF would have flown V-23.. San Fran is just barely W of Red Bluff and LA is actually E of Red Bluff.. they didn't have to stick on V-23. So, no reason to reject those Airports.

It was NOT a legit 30 minute wait, he was delayed because he couldn't get the airstairs down. You keep making this bogus claim. Wrong,,, Cooper began putting on the back chute after accepting the range limitation from the crew... The fact that Cooper rejected large airports for US refuelling indicates he was at least considering still being on the plane. At some point in the refuelling negotiations he put on the back chute..

So, the plane was still going to Mexico after Reno... the only change was refuelling in US vs Mexico.. He rejected large US airports for refuelling, that means he still expected to be on the plane in Reno.. and was concerned about the airport. But, he just decided, right or wrong that he would jump before Reno, we aren't in his head or understand his perception at the time, maybe he just got worried about getting rushed on the ground in Reno.. that makes sense if he didn't have a gun. If he was rushed on the ground in Reno with a fake bomb he was dead, if he was rushed with a real bomb he was dead. Maybe jumping early was the best option given the circumstances. because we don't know exactly why he decided to jump early doesn't mean it didn't happen.

This is actually a great question for a change. The range on the 727's varied by model and year,, it was 1800 miles from Dulles to Honduras,, but the plane landed in Mexico after the jump, another 500 miles, plus the big loop, close to 2500 miles.. So, it did need to refuel. Hahneman was very helpful to the crew and told them were to fly avoid mountains and make it to a safe landing. That plane had to refuel.. why pick New Orleans,, he lived there, his father died and is buried there, maybe some emotional thing. but 100% it did need to refuel. I just realized something.. it was 1500 miles to Mexico from Dulles, across the Gulf Mexico,, planes don't fly close to their limit especially over water but that may be why he chose New Orleans for fuel..

That is a lie,, I said it was a theory. Stop straw-manning. You always resort to lies Ryan.. You want low level speculation go back to FB..