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Subliminal advertising is what I think their strategy is. That's why I consciously try to look at all ads and roadside billboards. That way they don't get implanted in my sub-conscious where they could effect a decision at a later date.

I didn't read every word of the case either but have known quite a few lawyers as friends over the years. I have been told by more than one criminal defense lawyer that once you are in front of a judge it is usually a crap role as to who wins. A life long friend of mine was charged and wound up in court a couple of times. I helped him and his lawyer by providing many years of rules on the subject that constantly were changed by an agency plus we both provided an in depth education and background of the activity the charges involved for the same lawyer who defended him in both cases. He won both cases totally and the lawyer said the education and info we gave him (which wasn't readily available) made the difference. Bottom line may be that ISG failed to be able to educate their lawyer well enough about the industry/tunnel design and all it's facets and idiosyncrasies. Then again it is hard for me to conceive that any players at the level of these folks are not very competent. It may just be that Skyventure kicked their ass badly fair and square.

In the tunnel possibly get to the entry door at about 4 feet up and hold on to the sides and do as others have said by moving legs intentionally while trying to feel them moving. Wait till u get to leg turns - what a royal pain they were for me but as folks here told me "Keep Practicing and you'll get it" - They were right." Good Luck

Thanks for the correction - shame on me! For better or worse though ISG pulled out and gave iFLY concessions - any ideas on why ISG would do that other than being insecure about continuing to prevent a perceived wrong being foisted upon them??

yeah, big monopolies never contribute the safety of the customers, as we all know. like, they always inspect and maintain motor fixtures, so it could not fall right in the flying chamber :) Who said Orlando? No no no, it probably was one of these cheap-ass clone tunnels, it could not happen in patent-protected and monopoly-owned tunnel, right? Seriously, though. I am working in ISG-built tunnel, but we just bought it - it is not a franchise and we are not connected to ISG anyhow. I have detailed experience with Freezone tunnels - 12 and 15 feet from SkyVenture. I have flown in 15+ tunnels around the world. Technically ISG design is more safe and better. It is easier to maintain. I would like to have more power and round glass tho. Also, working conditions for instructors in Europe are much better than US. Over-regulated IBA rating system does not actually contribute much to safety. Sad to see that european TunnelInstructor.org is going the same direction right now - more money for ratings, less actual safety and skill. Monopoly is bad. TooShay Big Bug - Maybe the near catastrophie u mentioned first was due to internal technical knowledge deficiency or the attitude "it could never happen" - I would hate to think anyone or business would let something that critical go intentionally. Being an outsider wannabe tunnel rat looking into this industry for only a couple of years I have gained the sense that it isn't a get rich quick deal for employees and do feel they deserve a fair shake from management for the good job I see the employees doing - although my experiences are all limited to the iFLY Orlando tunnel which even with it's flaws I love dearly. That's why I always tip them the best I can (probably not enough) at onite camps I go to. Originally I just commented here thinking the judge probably might know more about US law than we who weren't actually litigants in the case. The deal in the USA is if we don't like the law we change it - which damn sure ain't easy. Nothing wrong with competition that helps things get better and certain competition does that for sure but what would worry me is "cutthroat competition" outside of a courtroom - courtrooms are always cutthroat though. Hoping tunnels and the sport just keep getting more awesome.

Truth in advertising - I am not an attorney. Apparently at some point ISG understood they would not win this case as it was presented to the court by them so they pulled out while agreeing to many of the plaintiff's demands. One doesn't usually do that IMO unless they know they screwed up in a fairly large manner. Truth be known I would like to try an ISG tunnel but I just don't travel much beyond iFLY Orlando and have to save my $$$ to give to iFLY Orlando. :)

My mention of "cutting corners" was only related to severe price cutting that happens during severe competition like if and when many many companies get in the tunnel game and cause more tunnels than the customer base can support. My guess would be that cut throat competition such as that is not likely in the near or far future in this sport. Currently I wish I could afford a ticket to Russia and fly at the well built ISG Flystation to take advantage of their low flight time costs which I guess are due to currency valuation and be coached by pros such as Olga Bakulina. :).

From the history I have studied Bill Kitchen and another person were the true originators of indoor skydiving in the USA. Then they sold patents etc. to iFLY/Skyventure and started out with iFLY Orlando around 1998. They had the balls and took the risk based on their belief that the patents would protect those investments from infringement by others (e.g. ISG) for the specified numbers of years with an option apparently to extend the periods of protection. So, when they felt they were being wronged by ISG they took the legal action the US law affords them and in this case they won which I don't believe is such a bad thing. I know some think Skyventure's legal win thwarts competition and possibly lower prices due to that competition. I would like lower prices too but not at the expense of the high quality operation I believe Skyventure provides us flyers. Not that I support only one game in town but new players shouldn't be able to piggy back on the work of others who were the true innovators. OBTW the 1941 may resemble a modern recirculating tunnel slightly it sure doesn't look like anything Skyventure builds whether the 1941 image is rotated 90 degrees or not. I remember intense price wars in different industries in the past (e.g. airlines) eventually it always seemed to lead to massive quality reductions and eventual total failures in the end for some major players. Reputable companies (e.g. Skyventure) with solid cash flows IMO are much less likely to cut important corners that could effect safety of flyers or quality. I'm sure I'll probably catch some hell over this post but I didn't do it with the intent to irritate anyone. Hey, it's just my view based on a couple of years of studying the industry, tunnel designs and history of bodyflight. Blue Skies and don't hit me too hard.

Maybe check with tunnel for discount programs for purchases of 15 minute or more block (overnight camps, residents week etc.).

More long winded support of 1st response. :) 15 minutes in tunnel with a tunnel Coach (caution tunnel instructors are not always Coaches - there can be a difference) or an AFF coach - problem very likely can be solved.

The Trump vs Clinton debates is what I am looking forward to. Hillary better have her broomstick tuned up in case the heat in the kitchen becomes too much for her body language betraying ass to stand.

He provided a very generalized set of comments and observations - Not a lot of details to disagree with other than the overall message. ("I don't agree with some of it" usually comes across to me as - "I'm not sure how I want to spin it". Or in engineering meetings "Sounds good, but I want to appear thoughtful so I'll pick some number that's not a 1 or a 10". In engineering, it's a peeve of mine when management does that - but usually because the delivery comes across as "I'd do it better" instead of "good job, can I provide some thoughts on how to make it even better") In any case, I think the other stuff is also very visible and has been for a long time. The signals have been flashing for decades. Trump and his followers are just turning the volume knob to '11' - and in a VERY objectionable way really IMO. What I initiated bold on above is probably the wisest statement on this entire thread. The skin over America's many festering boils is reeeaaaly getting tight - when will it pop? I don't know but when it does - Look Out!

2nd image from Nov 19, 2015

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Here's the link https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=ifly%20ft%20lauderdale This fb page is weird - I do believe yesterday I posted to one of the few places this fb page would allow doing so - then today it is gone. For some reason there are strange posting controls there - any ideas what's going on - I don't know much about how facebook works.

The 84 diner very close by (few hundred yards) has a very diverse economical menu + adult beverages (for after flying). https://www.zomato.com/miami/84-diner-grille-davie/menu?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=Local&utm_campaign=GoogleMenus#tabtop Yeah I know :) it's way ahead of time but maybe this thread can become an info source for those intending to visit there.

Just visited the iFLY Ft Lauderdale construction site today (Apr 27, 2016). OBTW there is a facebook page about it with a couple of pics from a while back showing the site being cleared of an old structure. Need to scroll down a ways to see the pics. Today I saw a big drilling machine drilling approx 24 inch diameter holes 30 feet deep to soften the rocks, then a medium size crane was feeding 30 foot sheet piles to a sheet pile driver (man that thing was loud when banging the piles down). A worker there told me they are drilling 600 holes to accept the piles. Bunch of work to be able to fly and this is just the start. Maybe someone with a smart phone ( I don't have one) can get over there between Hiatus Rd and Flamingo Rd on SR 84 in Davie and get some photos periodically to follow the progress. The site is at the extreme West end of the shopping center where the 84 Diner and Grille is located. Nice to see iFLY Ft Lauderdale popping out of the ground.

Great flying then I guess. Too bad that something real, exciting, and demonstrating high skills gets CGI'd into something stupid, overdone, and fake looking for brainless whuffos. Guess that's movies for ya. Hey, I ain't brainless - Honest - :)

Actually this was the 1st time I ever heard of the economist EIU.

Hey Now - That's apples and oranges.

http://www.jumpticketprices.com/tunnels.asp?currency=USD Just clik "url" button below before and after pasting address and they are live.

Must have been a slow lazy news day at BBC when they feel obliged to produce an article from some freebie web site. People worried about Regan's finger on the bomb but it all turned out fine in the end - we were in a bit more debt and cold war ended. Whether one likes Trump or not the fact is president's have problems if they try to implement too crazy a policy.

IMHO dumping $$$$ in the tunnel is a great thing to do considering how good, young, energetic and cooooll it makes me feel.

OK I didn't know that.

Remember it is a very big decision - I have to admit if I were in your place knowing what I know now at 65+ - having a career you have a passion for is worth a lot. Check into this article from June 2015 - http://tunnelflight.com/news/want-to-be-a-flight-instructor