testxyz

I'm not hoping, just digging to see what's there. I've seen that form at CitizensSleuth.com (your attachment) One of the problems, is the story varies so much. Two different FBI agents say the same thing, suggesting the bundles had random amounts of money. Tom Kaye says the FBI archive indicates each bundle had 100 twenties in it. Tom Kaye says the FBI archive indicates the microfilm is lost or can't be found. Even though the FBI archive indicates this, does anybody really believe the money sequence list for the crime of the century is lost? The only list that can verify the bundle sequence of money. Like Georger suggest, several entities would have needed that master list to settle legal matters. Post 1980. I guess someone in the know with the FBI can make one quick call and get a Yes or No answer to whether the Cooper money bundle sequence list is lost or not.

Yes, I've done that with magazines. The edges of paper have the tendacy to fan out when the fire first starts allowing oxygen inbetween the sheets of paper, sustaining the fire awhile. The fire is suffocated by the ashes and lack of oxygen.

I said... "The chance of two twenties being pulled within a 14 serial number spread no matter if your master list is alpha-numeric or random is 1 in 119." Smokin said... My real world numbers so far show.. Out of the 27 serial numbers I have found, the smallest spread is 14 serial numbers....the two L55 serial numbers within the range of 14. Both appearing on 2 of the 12 packets found by Ingram. The next smallest spread range is 20.........L01 prefix Serial numbers within 20 serial numbers. Percentage difference between 20 and 14 is difference 35%. 27 serial numbers found. Minimum spread is 14 spread....so far. Of course....odds will change up or down as more serial numbers are gathered.

Attached is documentation of the first packet R.H. examined to find out this was Cooper's ransom money. An exciting moment for sure. I'm pretty sure the top bill is the L55 Bill I overlayed. Image attached......

Forget what was found at Tena Bar and think about $200,000.000. All the money. I envisioned the entire batch of 10,000 (20 dollar) bills randomly mixed and dumped into a kids plastic swimming pool. A blind folded person is asked to pull out 12 twenty dollar bills one at a time. The chance of two twenties being pulled within a 14 serial number spread no matter if your master list is alpha-numeric or random is 1 in 119. The eventual end run would be to understand how this odd (1 in 119) might change by including the money found at Tena's bar. To more specific, how many bills were identified at the time of the Feb 13, 1980 Oregonian article. There is some visual documentation via pictures to guesstimate. My working number is 12. (more or less) With the primary interest in the two L55 bills. Close up of 12 packets....Feb. 13, 1980

I was wondering if you have a better or larger picture of the picture attached. Maybe you can verify it's a closeup of the display table with money. Taken at the same as the larger picture seen in Oregonian on Feb 13 1980.

I'm not a mathmatical probability person but I think we can calculate the odds of pulling 2 bills from a 14 serial number spread within 10,000 bills given 12 chances. Background... Ingrams find 3 bundles. It's likely each of the bills in each of the 3 bundles were throughly stuck together due to moisture and other factors from exposure to the enviroment. The Ingrams used soap and water to try and seperate the bills within the 3 bundles. A Feb 13 1980 Oregonian article describes 12 packets of money in 3 bundles, In the same Oregonian article, a picture clearly shows 8 of the 12 packets on a display table with the other 4 packets most likley in a small area of the table covered with a double layer of plastic. Each of the bills in the 8 packets appear stuck together, partially or completely Gray (in his book Skyjack) describes R.H. picking up a packet and looking at a serial suggesting that each of the 12 packets containing an unknown number of bills were still stuck together when he looked at them. R.H. probably read from the packet top bill. R.H. was able to identify the serial number from the FBI booklet list. According to Gray's book "Skyjack". It has been determined that the serial number R.H. looked at on a packet was L55 376 548B 1963A. I don't think Gray would arbitrally pick a random SN from the Tena Bar money for the R.H. story. This was a Eureka moment for R.H. and probably is well documented by the FBI Archive or directly from R.H. Also in the Feb 13 1980 Oregonian, there is a close up picture of 1 money packet from Tena Bar money. There are many bills in the packet and it appears throughly stuck together. It has been determined the top bill is SN L55 479 078B 1963A Within the FBI Cooper alpha-numerically order money list, the serial numbers L55 376 548B 1963A and L55 479 078B 1963A are found within only a 14 serial number spread. Calculation.........(if only 12 serial numbers had been identified by Feb. 13, 1980) Calculations of pulling 2 bills out of 14 bill spread within 10,000 bills given 12 chances. 14 bill spread = 2 Bills in 10,000 Bills 12 bills / 2 bills = 6 10,000 bills/ 14 bill spread = 714 bills 714 bills/ 6 bills = 1 in 119 odds ***** 1 in 119 **** chance of pulling 2 bills within a 14 serial number spread out of 10,000 bills L55 bills attached

This article is from 1961... A growing number of banks are keeping microfilm of all their accounts. These records are kept in atomic proof bomb vaults. In many sections of the country a number of banks have set up cooperative ventures for bombproof record shelters far out in the country. Hmm....so that's where the SN list is... http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=bUYqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=pk4EAAAAIBAJ&pg=7377,2507432&dq=bank+microfilm&hl=en

LOL... L.D. will not go away.

Yea, you can only Win if you Play! I would love to see the list. Something I notice on the 34 pages of Serial numbers. Each page has 3 bundles of 100 twenties (if Tom Kaye is right....each bundle has 100 bills). The Start number of the 1st Bundle and the Stop number for the 3rd bundle are already in play. First and last serial numbers on each page. Only two small markings are needed to easily identify the remaining start/stops of the 3 bundles. In the attached example Two red dots are at the start of the 2nd and 3rd bundle. This system might have been used with the original list. Example using known list attached. (two red dots)

According to this website.... http://www.check-six.com/Crash_Sites/NWA305-DBCooper.htm

From my experience, Microfilm is usually used for runs of lengthy information. Such as runs of newspapers which can be several hundred pages long. The FBI booklet is only 34 pages and looks to be in Microfiche format. I would think the bank might use microfiche. But the Microfilm does offer a quicker search through the pages. Having said that... I think the quickest way to search for the serial numbers, Alpha-Numeric or Random would be in booklet form. Easy to access, don't need a machine.

Georger said.... Below is what FBI agent William Baker told the Oregonian on Feb 13 1980. Alluded to at CitizenSleuths.com Ckret Aka Larry said this on April 1, 2008 at DZ....almost verbatim It seems odd the FBI would be so forthright with the public in 1980. So early into the investigation of the Tena Bar money. Maybe because the case was old and they didn't care about divulging info. Either Larry got his info from the newspaper or from the archive files or from Baker himself. Who knows. BTW.....I don't know where Richard Tosaw's files are.

There are probably more things wrong with the bill than just the mis-matching B and L. The graphic designer probably didn't want to make the bills too accurate for liability reasons.

Richard Tosaw, a lawyer and former FBI agent represented the Ingrams in the 1986 Tena Bar money settlement. I guess, maybe he saw a list other than the alpha-numerically order list. He also wrote the book "DB Cooper Dead or Alive" published in 1984, which has the list of serial numbers. Evidently he didn't charge the Ingrams for legal services but was promised a few of the Tena Bar twenties. Article link below..... http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=q6QyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=m-8FAAAAIBAJ&pg=3433,811106&dq=db+cooper+tosaw+ingram&hl=en

Yes, probably a typo on the computer generated bill. Possibly three SN's in a row? Does not match well with the other SN's i found So....I guess these Cooper bills only exist in the cyber world.

I found a serial number that is not on the DB Cooper list. The serial number came from the show "The SkyJacker that got away" I believe Tom Kaye, Larry Carr and maybe Blevins was on it. Picture attached....

Check out the attachment. I did a couple of graphics looking at the possiblity that the backside of another bill is showing through the hole. The exact alignment with a $20 over $20 using 1963A series shows one of the columns, one to the left of yours. The bundle of bills don't seem to be in perfect alignment plus they are shriveled and are somewhat offset from each other. I guess there is the possiblity the backside of a another bill is showing through the hole.

Gray claims the bills were marked....there are several ways of doing that, I wonder if they were marked in a couple of ways. Wiki defintion below...

Do you think there is a hole in the first bill and the backside of the next bill is showing through. If so, that could mean there was tampering with the bundle, because I think the bank could at least manage to bundle all bills face up. (even back then) Another thought...these 20's are bionic bills to be recognizable after so long in enviroment. Supposively all the bills were used when given to Cooper.

Evidently, within 2 weeks after the hijacking, some poor soul or souls developed an in-order Alpha-Numerical sequece Booklet list for distribution by Dec. 8 1971. IF the list was ever random to start. Evidently, per Gray's book "Skyjack", R.H. used the same alpha-numeric book in 1980 (as seen in Newspaper in 1976) to verify that one of the Tena bar bills was on the list. I have no idea how R.H. verified the sequence in the Tena Bar bundles. If anyone had the correct sequence list, he would, he was on the case since day 1. Reference Documents Attached...

It's hard to believe the FBI would have lost primary evidence for one of their most pubilized cases ever. Having said that.... The only physical proof we see of a Cooper money list is the alpha-numeric list. The Tena Bar money is the only physical evidence of the Cooper bills and they are bundled randomly. Possibly suggesting....you know what I mean. If the bills were randomly bundled by the bank, I have a hard time believing the FBI would lose? the Bank's start/stop control list or a copy of the control list. If they don't have a control list there is no way to verify the bank bundling sequence of the money found at Tena's Bar. Eliminating the possibilty of....you know what I mean.

Attached are side by side pics of the two L55 bills. Ironically, I found the right hand L55 at CitizenSleuths.com

If we are not on the same page...this is What i'm saying..... Imagine the bank had 100 stacks of 20's with 99 random bills in each stack. They also have 100 index bills in alpha-numeric order set aside. As they bundle or wrap the bills, each of the stacks get 1 of the index bills on top.

L55 479 078B 63A is CORRECT!.....Thanks for looking! 12 bills apart is by far the closest of the thirty serial numbers I've come up with. If each of the two L55 bills was on top of a bundle, that represents 4K of the 6K Tena Bar money. I would think there is some significance to it. There is some rhyme or reason to the importance of the top or bottom bills for Bank bundle management. Tom Kaye says the microfilm show stop/start serial numbers on each bundle. Maybe the bank stores the bundles in alpha-numeric order based on the top bill only. While the internal bills are random. Like they chose a run of L55 bills (or a run from page 30 that includes the two L55 bills) to put on the top of each bundle.