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when either side tries, the other side bites off all they can and betrays the trust my examples are from the tax in exchange for cuts pile - but there are others (agreed, both directions) at this point, the 'offers' to compromise are so ludicrous it's clear that they don't intend to really compromise at all seems both parties backed themselves into corners they can't get out of and it's down to backstabbing and ridiculous PR campaigns ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

thanks for the correction - you had it right good discussion points I'm NOT a fan of the idea that the public servant's job is to convict. I think it "should" have been defined to get to the truth. shoulda coulda ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Honestly, if you want the theator to run and make a profit, I'd go with the Business major or the Finance major. He can contract the liberal arts major to supervise the production I guess. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Well, I'm not sure whether "overwhelming evidence" is a higher or lower evidentiary standard than "beyond a reasonable doubt" but the current one doesn't seem high enough to prevent wrongful convictions. ooohhhh 'semantics' yay! (however, perhaps I stated it that way on purpose under the concept that a much higher standard, not just for the criminal, but for the evidence and those conducting the case, needs to apply to even consider DP) I'm seeing a couple things to address: 1 - beta error (kill an innocent) due to sincerely and morally and legally conducted trials 2 - beta error due to shenanigans within the system, (or in false accusations, etc) #1 is a tragedy and really the true discussion here. #2 is a horrible crime that should be wiped out I think that arguing #2 is a tangent to the real discussion which should be centered around #1. But #2 is easy to discuss. (now some want to be absolutist and state beta error = 0. fine, that's a legit position - but then it's void of discussion at all and any old argument can suffice - and i think that's what's happening here - so pointless) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

That was 20 years ago. They certainly aren't willing to compromise on budget issues (especialy revenue) today. that's a good point - or Reagan's deal to add taxes in exchange for spending cuts (was it 2 for 1?), then fool me once 20 years ago as you note, and a few more times since then, an then propose a similar tactic now....... why, who WOULDN'T take that deal???!!!

I doubt that it's a 'trend', or widespread, but the point that it even happens infrequently is enough to make your point - IMO but that's another failure and crime that should be attacked as well (But I also doubt that a case with 'overwhelming' evidence would eliminate the perceived need for any shenanigans) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

absolutely great statement - Anti-religious types cry "karma" all the time. Frankly, "Karma" is a crappy religion and I don't see how belief in it is any different. Justice needs to be determined based on specific actions of an individual without bias to irrational beliefs, stereotypes, or other actions. In regards to other actions, they should be judge independently and have their own consequences. their is no natural balance for subjective things in the universe - just actions and reactions ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

looks like you did it in the opening post - nice job ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

THAT'S exactly it.....that face CLEARLY belongs to a post graduate in EE (sniff - suddenly it all makes sense again) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I thought juries only returned a verdict - and sentencing is not the jury's responsibility or do they do both in some states? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

we have at least 3 MIT grads right here at work that do a very fine job of writing and performing music But I agree about your Julliard grad (certain areas are NOT as friendly to "competence without formal education". Like Science and Technology. Others (liberal arts, etc) aren't so demanding - they are either extremely subjective, or rely on born talent that exists with or without the formal training. though I find Kallend's comment a bit ......... I also find it true, regardless. Very anti-PC....not everyone deserves a medal if they don't put in the homework.) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

actually, he said one thing that was really smart - essentially, that things are different at level lower than the feds, and that the decision needs to be more local than that (yes, I was shocked to here that sentiment from that source). Quade fell down the trap of the assumption that "SOME level of government" needs to control the stupid masses that can't think for themselves. And then started dialogue about what level is appropriate. when the decision is acknowledged to be a personal decision, that's pretty much an individual right ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

It's fluff at best, poorly camoflaged left wing suck up piece more likely. He's pretty much stating what everybody says. "MY positions are great - everybody should compromise to agree with me" even better - he throws out a few ideas and then conducts about a 95% one sided partisan attack with it. nice example of team playing nothing special, move along Compromise, collaberation - in industry that works because everyone has a common end vision......it doesn't work when the players have multiple visions that are dramatically at odds with each other. The current status of "Right wing religious big brother in control of everything" vs "Left wing wacko big brother in control of everything" won't work. It certainly leaves the "individuals responsible for themselves" group terrified in the corner that either of the other two will really achieve their aims. flavor of the piece - some excerpts below - catch the tone if you can (hint: he pretends to hack at both parties - the "high energy Dems and centered Obama, BTW Obama has a unique bully pulpit" as well as the "wrong, far right, uninterested caricatures transformed by today's whipping boy of a Tea Party)" Clearly, if only the right side of the aisle would straighten up, and let the 'oh so ready to lead' left take charge, then that "compromise" is what the country needs. To be sure, in politics compromise is not a virtue in and of itself. Congress should be borrowing money ..... to invest in a 10-year upgrade of our crumbling infrastructure President Obama has favored such a hybrid, We should exploit our new natural gas bounty, renewable energy portfolio Obama has failed to use his unique bully pulpit to lead such a campaign. Republicans are wrong when they oppose raising minimum wages and expanding national health care. Democratic Party agenda. Its energy and excitement the G.O.P. into a far-right party, uninterested in governing — Obama, who is much more center-left than the ridiculous G.O.P. caricatures, ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

don't forget - the government will also decide they get to define what "sane" and "mentally ill" means. What? you don't believe in global warming - that's clearly insane? What? you don't think these social programs are any good? What? you didn't vote democrat (republican) - insane. obviously. for the children. (hyperbole? sure, but look at some of the posters here and tell me they wouldn't abuse that option in a second if they had power) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Interesting - It seems history really shows the opposite - dependency breeds more dependency - and drives a growth in dependency. Not success. 1 - BLOCKING them from getting funds - ensures they "can't advance and stay where they belong" 2 - GIVING them funds - ensures they "stay dependent on the tit and stay where they belong" ^ seems the true bad guys are anyone with an interest in the status quo (incumbents) Interesting that you note the passive act of letting people fend for themselves is described as 'blocking' (an active verb, not passive). but the divide is more simply understood when you realize that both sides sincerely (common man, not leaders - they are NOT sincere) truly believe the other team's positions are directly harmful. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Because Americans who support the DP don't want the DP to be about just justice there has to be an element of vengeance to it as well. The offender slipping happily into an unconscious state before death just doesn't cut the mustard. justice is about removing the threat of repeated crimes. not vengeance, not closure, not rehab, not all those other things - DP, incarceration, etc etc etc..... I doubt your assumption is even close to the majority of this group you have stereotyped as a one size fits all "Americans who support DP" typical for a bloodthirsty, bad teeth, nasty food eating, world conquering Brit, though (see what I did there?) - was it France and England with the public executions? I have to assume you are projecting your own tendencies on the discussion. (oops, I did it again) ((for real - I don't believe that of you, I can't speak about any Brit I haven't yet met, so I won't put them in a lazy stereotyped bucket. I doubt you believe that about me)) Frankly, the only documentary I ever saw had a Brit whack another Brit on the head, just so they could put him in the 'dead' cart. Horrible stuff really. I'm also distressed about your proposal to kill criminal with mustard - that's a new one. I guess if someone wants to 'make the audience' "FEEL" better - and if they really are so bent on seeing pain - I'd say this: attach a bunch of electrodes to the nervous system - (kill the criminal painlessly and cheaply) - then stimulate the dead corpse to thrash about for a couple minutes - to give those nasty sadists a bit of "closure" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

was "bounce and blend" color schemes a 70's thing? or an early 80's thing? I don't recall ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

that might be the best post on the thread so far ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

..... I don't think the thread is about Robertson at all any more it's about outdated customs and abuse of young women ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I was agreeing with you. "absolutely" should start with a warrant (since it's a tacit accusation of criminal activity). not sure you got that. I don't understand your 2nd sentence. Are you saying that there is a segment that doesn't want drug testing for welfare types because that would reduce the welfare membership numbers? and thus the left would lose some of it's support from those dependent upon government payouts? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

IMHO - do whatever you like on your own time. but if your behavior affects the workplace performance or other employees' performance,,..... Employment should be about performance. Publicly visible employees (entertainment, politics, sport figures, etc) - we might extend the (private) contract to personal life as well. But then the contract should be specific and signed. But that's because 'performance' includes public persona. (I think this extends even past showing up high or drunk, even to people that stink so bad from cigarette smoke that other employees can't work around them.) Then, legalize it all, tax it. AND SERIOUSLY punish abuse of it. And leave alone any that are responsible about it. (IMHO - it's whiny to discuss why liquor is so much more worse or not - we need to just have a standard that applies to both and stick to it) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

right up until his 38 year old brother starts eyeing your 12 year old daughter - then the gnashing will begin Ron pretty much notes that, in reality, the whole family has the discussion. but behind that, the choice of the girl would be paramount. That's about as good as this scenario can turn out. But not every family is as decent as his probably is. The whole thing smacks of selling off the daughters regardless of their desires or maturity levels. It's happened too much in so many cultures around the world to ignore. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

since it's illegal - and proof of use SHOULD result in criminal prosecution..... then absolutely - accusations of a crime are serious and due process is required the problem is enforcement - if you are found to be breaking a law, loss of entitlements or a job should be the least of your worries. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

same comment - if required for anyone getting taxpayer money, then should apply to all.....or none "start with" and "after" don't make sense if you want all individuals to be equal as far as I'm concerned - the Pres, Congress, execs from companies that get corporate welfare, individuals the get social welfare.......are employees of the tax paying public. They should contractually be required to all have the same employment conditions yes - I'm equating the president, senators and congressment to welfare queens (in terms of who is paying their check) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

both are types of welfare - why would one or the other have to go "first" - just because you have a bias only against one and not the other? both should require some sort of test to make sure that the money and resources they are stealing from others isn't being wasted and abused ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants