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Actually the neti pot is a sinus flushing device that uses a saline based solution. You do it at home. Some people use it every day. I don't need it every day. When I use it it clears my sinus quite well. You don't need to have a Dr. do it. You do it yourself. It's an over the counter device. It probably doesn't produce the same results as you're talking about. But it works for most. Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

There is actually something called a "Neti Pot". It's been around for decades and works really well and cheap. Google it. It basically looks like a tea pot but you use it to pour a salt solution (saline) through one nostril and it just comes out the other. There is no inhaling done. You breath through your mouth while doing it (about 30 seconds for each nostril). Walgreens has them and so do most large grocery stores. It sounds really weird and gross but I guantee it works and has for years. I've had on and off sinus problems all my life but I have had no issues when I skydive. I also take a generic version of non-drowsy Sudafed every day that I jump. Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

Thank you. I will send him an email. Sandy Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

OK. Since there seems to be some GKs on this thread. Has anyone ever heard of a GK from the 70s named Charlie "Wallbanger" Hall? You may not know the "Wallbanger" part, but suffice it to say I use to run a bar on the Sioux City airport and he helped us promote a particular drink. He was an excellent "promoter". I would love to know how he's doing and maybe even talk to him. Thanks Sandy Grillet Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

His final statement as he walked away after his jump............"I need a beer" He was meant to skydive. Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

I think the show was great. It had some mistakes but nothing too major and nothing we can't live with. I especially like the look of the host. It shows that even a skinny geeky looking guy can make a skydive and have fun. This was definetly good for our sport. One thing he didn't get wrong was his final comment................ Yay.......... Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

normiss, you responded at the very moment I was editing my post to let you know that I was not responding to you and that I was not directing my comment at you. And I'm sorry if you took it that way. If so I apologize. Because I was not referring to you. This originally started out as a question on the "double tandem fatality" thread. I believe if you read through the thread you will find that my question was reasonable and straight forward. I think you would also find that my follow up posts were reasonable. I even held my tongue when some people incorrectly assumed I would post something to youtube. I don't disagree with handing over anything helpful in determining a death to the authorities. I think I mentioned that in one of my posts as well as offering to help with determing what the investigators were watching. Many posts were made with the inuendo that I would somehow refuse to help the authorities. I am not that guy. My previous post about language and civil debate still stands. But know this: I am not talking about you. Your posts and responses added greatly to the discussion. Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

(This is not directed at you, normiss). I just clicked reply to the last post. I believe that there is only one person on this thread who has used and abused it. And led it to become the mess that it has. I pay little attention to those who can not have a healthy, civil debate without the use of foul and profane language and name calling. Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

Both but mostly about the belts being forward (behind when seated facing the tail) of the jumper being useless. I'm not sure how many people have given much thought to this. Obviously the NTSB. Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

And once again we get sent to ................"moderator purgatory". I think this is a record for me. I've been moved twice in the same thread............ Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

Chris, do you remember the conversations we had a few years ago about how seat belts are used in planes without seats? Sandy Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

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Yeah, it looks very odd. And (in my humble opinion) just from looking at how the guy in the door is scraping his rig on the rear door frame and judging how close you are to the airplane. I think you guys need to think more about diving through the front half of the door and try to launch more directly at the wing tip while doing (for the lack of a better term) a cart wheel over your left hand. This will present you nicely, allowing you to use the relative wind to fly down the hill keeping you close to the formation and at the same time getting further away from the plane and giving more room for those behind you. The more you try to cut the corner diving out the door, the more likely the people behind you are to hit the back of the door. Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

I can, without a doubt, tell you that my video does not show a time code on the viewable footage. (It does show on the camera screen). And as I recall, any time I have fire wired footage to another DV tape, any and all things copy, including the time code. It's as if it were the original tape. I personally don't know anyone who has seen firewired footage that can tell it's not the original tape. Are you saying that you can tell if you are looking at an original tape vs a fire wired copy? Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

Let me be clear. I would certainly not change anything on the video. And I would not make the investigator issue a subpoena. I would even volunteer to help interpret what is being seen on the video. It's just that I film several things including jumps on one tape. Sometimes I do back to back loads before I can edit. It just seems reasonable for me to keep a copy of my work before handing it over to the investigators. If you have a signed contract for some work you are doing for hire and a police investigator says he wants it for an investigation. Doesnt' it seem reasonable to give him a photo copy of the contract. Or at the very least you keep a photo copy for your records. You haven't changed anything on the contract just like I would not change anything on the video. I don't know. It just seems reasonable. Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

Is that your head that can just be seen sticking out above that guy's red rig in the door? Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

ALLrighty then. Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

So is it legal to fire wire a copy for my personal ownership? Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

Does anyone know the rules on the ownership of the video footage during this type of incident? If I were the videographer, I would dub the video to a DVD to give to the investigators and keep the original. Anyone have first hand knowledge on if that would suffice? Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

Pull............. Assuming we all lived, I would then pony up the fee for the local bowling league. Go Compete Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

I spoke to an Otter pilot a couple of weeks ago and he said they burn an average of 25 gallons per load. Can someone clear this up? You out there Chris?? Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

Buy it but don't jump it............. yet. It is definitely not something you want to think of as standard equipment in today's environment. But it will be cool to pull it out someday and say to your friends " I bet I can fall slower than you!!!!" I'm almost ashamed to say "I have a couple of them." History for only $20.00. Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

Neither of the crashes were in a Cessna. One was in a Westwind in Eloy. Sitting on the floor. Luckily, we came to an abrupt stop in the desert after stalling both wings just 30 to 40 feet off the ground. Very close to cart wheeling the aircraft. Several injuries, none life threatening. The other was in a Skyvan at Skydive Chicago for a world record attempt. We went off the side/end of the runway into the corn. No injuries. I believe that seat belts in a Cessna are very important (all aircraft actually). They will help to keep you from moving about the cabin during an abrupt stop. Just remember that the belts should be aft of the person they are trying to stop. And that most crashes end with the load (jumpers) shifting toward the nose of the airplane. When is the last time you saw pictures of a crash with the nose/engine in tact? It's usually the tail sticking up. Thus the load shifts forward. Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

When it comes to Otters. If you sit on the floor and then reach back to get the belt which is 12-18 inches behind you the belt is actually of minimal use. Most crashes end with the load shifting forward toward the cockpit. The body will first travel the 18 inches to get to the attachment point and then another 18 inches to actually get to the end of the belt for a total of three feet. This is enough travel to pulverize the pelvis of the person behind you. Which was one of the major causes of death in the Perris crash of 1992. The Otters with benches do provide significant additional safety in that the belts are lap belts and they loop around from each side. More in the traditional style. The seats will also absorb a great deal of the downwards force generated from a belly first crash. I've survived two crash landings on take off as a jumper. One totaled the plane. They are scary. I hope to never have one in a floor seating Otter. Tighten up those belts kids........ it could be a bumpy ride. Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.

Has any of you lawyer types looked at Fred Morelli's waiver. He is the attorney for Skydive Chicago. He told me that it has been tested a number of times in Illinois and has stood up in court. He makes it available to anyone who requests it for no cost. He has emailed it to me each year for the past couple of years. I've read it and it's quite impressive. I would love to have you guys look at it and give your opinions on it. I am also still waiting for a response from 'allseeingeye' on my first post. Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.