jbscout2002

Polls can be slanted by carefully worded questions to achieve any desired outcome. It is a fact that most people do not know what laws currently exist; thus, it is meaningless to assert that people favor "stricter" laws when they do not know how "strict" the laws are in the first place. Asking about a waiting period for a police background check presumes, incorrectly, that police can and will actually conduct a check during the wait. Similarly, it is meaningless to infer anything from support of a 7- or 5-day waiting period when respondents live in a state with a 15-day wait or a 1-6 month permit scheme in place. Asked whether they favor making any particular law "stricter," however, most people do not. Unbiased, scientific polls have consistently shown that most people: -Oppose costly registration of firearms. -Oppose giving police power to decide who should own guns. -Do not believe that stricter gun laws would prevent criminals from illegally obtaining guns. http://people.duke.edu/~gnsmith/articles/myths.htm

After Sandy Hook, five states jumped on the band wagon and adopted stricter gun laws. One of them was Colorado. Obama raved over how great it was that a pro gun state like Colorado could pass new gun laws. Six months later, Colorado had their laws recalled, so we are back to four that bit at Obamas bait. At the same time, 10 other states loosened their gun laws. Might want to get your news somewhere other than Obama or Bloomberg.

Agreed. Also fortunately, far more people support stronger gun laws than people who think they are too strict. False. That statement is based off of a poll conducted by the Obama administration of 1100 people in a liberal area. There's a reason why the shit doesn't pass legislation.

Oh, alright. I got ya. Fortunately, liberal dope smoking hippie anti gun sheep pissing and moaning about how all their problems would be solved if we succumb to their twisted politicizing of emotional situations to pass their ridiculous and pointless laws are the minority in this country.

You said that the consequences for a class B felony were "No big deal" and the consequences for a class B felony include everything that you just said. So again, if the worst possible penalty for transporting your firearms illegally in NY is no big deal, why are you still bitching about it? Yeah, sure, "slightly less severe" was the phrasing that you were using up until now Never said a class B felony was no big deal My issue is that the nonviolent arbitrary firearms violation is a more severe crime than BEATING PEOPLE TO DEATH which you either agree with or just can't seem to grasp.

Way to take responsibility for your own actions. Provided badly outdated information, or didn't do enough research? I don't know how many times you have had 4 months notice to pack your entire house, put the house on the market, do a good hand over of your job and responsibilities to another person, turn in a bunch of equipment, clear a military base, clear a unit, move 1000 miles away to a state you've never been to and inprocess a new post, draw new equipment, search for suitable housing, close on a house, and move into said house and unpack, and then get ready for your next deployment that is just around the corner. I took my information guide from the provost Marshall and didn't spend a lot of time second guessing everything. In the military, you have to trust your leadership sometimes. Unfortunately, most people outside the military, and most democrats could give a fuck less about it so we are always busy watching our backs because of stuff like this

So why do you keep talking like you were in danger? Ever since your first post on the subject you have sent confusing messages about what is and is not breaking the law. How so? Does the federal law specify non-stop transit? (And what about your "life in prison vs no big deal" rubbish? Any response to that?) So to answer both of those questions, yes, federal law allows you to transport through states where you guns are restricted, but your destination cannot be in that state (you must be passing through from one legal state to another) and yes, if you stay overnight, then they consider the place you stayed to be your destination for that day, so you would not be protected by the federal transport exemption. I was in danger because I was provided very badly outdated information stating that I had a 30 day grace period to register them, when in fact you must first be a resident of NY, then apply for the CCW (a 12-24 month process), and then you can have your guns shipped to an NY state FFL who will register them with the state and add them to your permit. While I presumed I was doing everything right, I was only legal as I crossed the first five states. If I stopped in NY in transit, or stayed at a hotel near base before checking in, I could have been convicted of a felony, had everything confiscated, been dishonorably discharged, spent the next 25 years in prison, then come out as an unemployable convict, possibly without my butthole virginity, depending on which prison gang I can get into. And this wuldnt have been from doing anything violent or dangerous or whatever. It would have been because of "common sense" laws. But what got me riled up was that, if I had rolled across the state line Andre beat someone to death, I would have faced slightly less severe penalties.

Pretending? You brought them both into the conversation, I'm just responding to your scenario. And hang on a minute - you think with you "life in prison vs no big deal" nonsense that you aren't pretending? Wow. I thought you knew you were talking shit See, clearly and by your own admission that's not the case. You went to New York and broke their gun laws. Why are you pretending that isn't true? I was protected by the federal law allowing one to transport guns through NY as long as their final destination isn't in the state of NY. From the time I crossed the state line I didn't stop other than for gas until I reached a federal installation. Therefor, I was lucky in that I did not accidentally break NY state law. So yes, I am 100% law abiding. If I had decided to stop and sleep instead of pushing through, I would have been breaking the dumb ass law

Yep. And when I was growing up, you could cross a state line and suddenly be able to drink - then go back and not be able to. Today people cross state lines and find that they have to pay a different sales tax, or have to obey different traffic laws, or have to pay a completely different set of business taxes. If you are a woman, you might find yourself unable to have an abortion. If you are a child, you may find the laws over parental rights change completely. It's part of living in a nation made up of independent states. There's a slight difference in paying differing sales taxes and the line between law abiding family man and violent felon. You have a couple guns for target shooting, hunting, one in case someone breaks in at night. Everything by the letter of the law. Then you relocate to NY for work, you get arrested, convicted of a violent felony and go to prison for half your life. Your family struggles without your paycheck, your kids grow up without you, you live with murders and rapists, and the tax payers spend about $150,000 a year to keep you there. Lives ruined because of your idea of common sense. Meanwhile, psycho bob applies for a permit, buys a gun, walks into a school and kills 20 people while being in complete compliance of your common sense.

Nothing wrong with obeying the laws. Like I said, I have no criminal record. No DUIs, no drug charges, no theft, no assaults. The first time my finger prints ever hit the system was when I applied for my CCW, and the next/last was for my security clearance investigation. I'm 100% law abiding. I just find it odd that although all 50 states are governed by the same constitution, if I cross a state line I go from perfectly legal to violent felon because of "common sense" gun laws in NY. *so that was how the "common sense" laws affected me and thousands of other 100% law abiding citizens like me. How did it affect mass shooters in NY? April 3, 2009. Binghamton, New York An immigration center became a scene of violence when a gunman entered during citizenship classes, killing 13 victims and himself. Police found 37 survivors hiding in closets and a boiler room and said the gunman is Jiverly Wong, 42, who lived in nearby Johnson City. COMMON SENSE

Where did he defend that at all? In fact, why would he defend something that is completely untrue? You didn't serve any prison time for breaking the law and they're facing up to 25 years. But please, do continue to bitch and whine about how the world is so unfair because you're out $900 § 125.20 Manslaughter in the first degree. A person is guilty of manslaughter in the first degree when: 1. With intent to cause serious physical injury to another person, he causes the death of such person or of a third person; or 2. With intent to cause the death of another person, he causes the death of such person or of a third person under circumstances which do not constitute murder because he acts under the influence of extreme emotional disturbance, as defined in paragraph (a) of subdivision one of section 125.25. The fact that homicide was committed under the influence of extreme emotional disturbance constitutes a mitigating circumstance reducing murder to manslaughter in the first degree and need not be proved in any prosecution initiated under this subdivision; or 3. He commits upon a female pregnant for more than twenty-four weeks an abortional act which causes her death, unless such abortional act is justifiable pursuant to subdivision three of section 125.05; or 4. Being eighteen years old or more and with intent to cause physical injury to a person less than eleven years old, the defendant recklessly engages in conduct which creates a grave risk of serious physical injury to such person and thereby causes the death of such person. Manslaughter in the first degree is a class B felony. Criminal Possession of a Weapon in the First Degree – 265.04 In order to prove that an individual is guilty of Criminal Possession of a Weapon in the First Degree, it must be established that the person: (1) possesses any explosives substance with intent to use them unlawfully against the person or property of another; or (2) possesses ten or more firearms. Keep pretending it is manslaughter verse what I got. As I said, I got lucky because I made it to a federal installation where federal law trumps state law, so I wasn't charged with anything.

So you adamantly defend that if you BEAT SOMEONE TO DEATH it is no big deal, but if you own guns and have no criminal record, you should do life in prison. Like I said, makes sense. I guess that's what "sensible" gun laws are.

See post above; beating someone to death = first degree manslaughter, a class B felony. Moving ing to NY with 10 or more completely legal handguns without first obtaining a NY CCW = class A felony. Refer to other thread topics, "police receive perks for killing citizens", "more preschoolers killed than police", "wtf is wrong with American police" If all I knew about America was what I read here, I would believe: -Preschoolers wear body armor and Kevlar helmets to school -State prison torture innocent people to death -Everyone who owns a gun cheers for the deaths of kids -Cops are evil unrestrained death squads -If you own a gun, someone will find you and kill you -Background checks on private sales will stop all gun violence -The U.S. Army disarmed Iraq so they could murder people for sport To name a few.

You think they're going to be facing a lesser penalty than $870 and 20 months without firearms? I'd be very, very surprised! They are being charged with first degree manslaughter, a class B felony 1 unregistered (otherwise legal) handgun, class C felony 5 unregistered (otherwise legal) handguns, class B felony 10 unregistered (otherwise legal)handguns, class A felony I wasn't charged with the felony because I made it to a federal installation without being "caught" and they took them until I could get the permit and pay an FFL to come retrieve them and register them to the state.

Scenario goes, you are active duty military. Throught the previous 10 years of your career you had purchased various handguns in various states that you had been stationed in. All of them from FFL dealers, passing background checks and in full compliance of the law. You are happily living in TN while stationed at Ft. Cambell, KY. You are in full compliance of the law. You get orders to PCS to Ft. Drum, NY, with a report date less than 120 days away. You sell your house, pack up, clear post, report to Ft. Drum, declare that you have firearms and show all your paperwork. You have unknowingly committed a class A felony because NY has a different interpretation of the constitution than the rest of the country. Then your hand guns are taken on the spot and stored in a government arms room for the 20 months it takes you to get a NY permit. Total cost for permit and registering each gun was $870, not counting restoration work that had to be done on a couple because someone decided to play around with them while they were in storage and scratch them up. And oh by the way, not only was everything legal in the rest of the U.S., I had a CCW that was valid in 38 other states. But your right. Makes perfect sense. Like explaining colors to the blind. Nobody ever said all laws make sense. Ignorance of the law is never really considered a valid defence though. Stupid laws can lead to silly things, like life sentences for shoplifting or becoming a felon for transporting legal firearms. Since many are unable to feel any empathy or sympathy for the first example, he answer usually is: He should have just obeyed the law. You are getting the same answer. So you agree that because of the way Gov. Cuomo feels about guns, it makes sense that legally owning a gun and moving to his state without a NY CCW is a more serious offense than beating someone to death? In that case, if I had my legal handgun and crossed into NY, then got pulled over, I should beat the cop to death to by some extra time to ditch the gun, because I would be in less trouble for murder than for simply owning a gun. *Actually, stupid fucking example. Seems most of this crowd hates guns, hates American policies and politics, and gets off on police officers being killed.

That's only for criminals. I guess instead of being one of those evilly people that owns guns and makes a living putting my life on the line for complete strangers, it would have been more tasteful to you if I committed the lessor offense of beating a child to death.

Scenario goes, you are active duty military. Throught the previous 10 years of your career you had purchased various handguns in various states that you had been stationed in. All of them from FFL dealers, passing background checks and in full compliance of the law. You are happily living in TN while stationed at Ft. Cambell, KY. You are in full compliance of the law. You get orders to PCS to Ft. Drum, NY, with a report date less than 120 days away. You sell your house, pack up, clear post, report to Ft. Drum, declare that you have firearms and show all your paperwork. You have unknowingly committed a class A felony because NY has a different interpretation of the constitution than the rest of the country. Then your hand guns are taken on the spot and stored in a government arms room for the 20 months it takes you to get a NY permit. Total cost for permit and registering each gun was $870, not counting restoration work that had to be done on a couple because someone decided to play around with them while they were in storage and scratch them up. And oh by the way, not only was everything legal in the rest of the U.S., I had a CCW that was valid in 38 other states. But your right. Makes perfect sense. Like explaining colors to the blind.

Church folk in NY beat their son to death, put another in ICU, get charged with class B felony for manslaughter. A person with 10 legally purchased handguns and no criminal record brings those guns into NY without an NY CCW permit, and it is a class A felony for unregistered firearms per state law. Tell me again how gun control is "smart", "reasonable", "common sense", "responsible", and how it doesn't criminalize or punish law abiding citizens. Someone who has never committed a crime in their life is punished more severely that parents who beat their own children to death.

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Don't worry, you will be there fighting the Russians soon enough. I don't want to fight the Russians. Their President makes ours look like even more of a joke than he already is. Besides, Russia takes care of itself. Syria and Iraq are hopelessly lawless right now. ISIS has chopped off so many heads, they aren't even amused by it anymore. They have turned to Twitter to find new ideas for killing just like housewives turn to pintrist for home decorating ideas.

1. They do. Nobody ever claimed you can prevent 100% of the violence. German police uses about 100 bullets per year. 2. We are on the internet(an international communications network) discussing things, like policy and politics in a forum where policy and politics are discussed by an international group. If you don't want to hear other peoples opinions maybe you should rethink your method of communication and go back your echo chamber. I appreciate your input, and understand this is an international discussion. My question was directed towards the person who often boasts about how much he hates America and American service members, but then tells Americans if they disagree with him, they should leave. If you have dual citizenship and America sucks so bad, then why have you chosen to live here over your native country? Maybe that particular person and the rest of America would be better off if he just went home.

A World War II Royal Air Force pilot is reminiscing before school children about his days in the air force. "In 1942," he says, "the situation was really tough. The Germans had a very strong air force. I remember, " he continues, "one day I was protecting the bombers and suddenly, out of the clouds, these fokkers appeared. (At this point, several of the children giggle.) "I looked up, and right above me was one of them. I aimed at him and shot him down. They were swarming. I immediately realized that there was another fokker behind me." At this instant the girls in the auditorium start to giggle and boys start to laugh. The teacher stands up and says, "I think I should point out that 'Fokker' was the name of the German-Dutch aircraft company." "That's true," says the pilot, "but these fokkers were flying Messerschmitts."

Ok, how about we look to your perfect Germany as an example we all should strive for. From the top. Your great leader, your furor, who has made these famous statements: "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police." - "Hitler’s Table Talk", 1941-1944: Secret Conversations And, “History teaches us that all master races have declined once they consented to arm the peoples they had conquered.” - “The Mind of Adolf Hitler” by H.R. Trevor-Rope Does this on November 11, 1938. The Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons were promulgated by Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, effectively depriving all Jews, gays, handicapped, gypsies, Jahovas Whitnesses, and political enemies living under the Third Reich of the right to possess any weapons. Then the Nazi army KILLS 11,000,000 PEOPLE Then they lose their second World War, and eventually, in 1972, the new restrictive Federal Weapons Act (Bundeswaffengesetz) became effective, partly as a reaction to the terror of the Red Army Faction. It was developed in the Federal Weapons Act of 2002 and by amendments in 2008 and 2009. These laws were the result of a chain of school shootings in Erfurt, Emsdetten and Winnenden. This led to a public debate, in which blame was attributed to various elements of youth culture and society, including violent computer games, television programs, rock music and private gun ownership. (Freaking genius. Germany, a country whose history was largely free of violence until video games, of course.) So I am left with two basic questions here. 1. Why didn't your very restrictive gun laws prevent three mass school shootings? 2. Who the fuck are you to tell us how to be running our country?

Do you have a multiple personality disorder or something? Well I ask because you told me how much you hated America last week, and now you are talking about how much of a proud American citizen you are and telling Americans that if they don't like your idea of good legislation then they should move to Somalia. Remember like 2 months ago when you said this, Also I don't remember my passport even costing anything, so if the number of passports is how you measure wealth, then you are kind of immature in how life works. I don't know your background, but given my experience in living in Belgium, Italy, and Japan, my leisure travels, and military deployments, I would confidently say I have met or exceeded your "limited world".

Do you have a multiple personality disorder or something?