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Joe Chow is his dzo, and yes, right now that is the system his ff students use. Chris is asking about specific incidents which show this system more risky on aff/pff-type jumps. My opinion is, on an aff jump, isn't the main-side instructor the main aad? If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Does it have stabilizers on the outside? If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Makes sense to me. After my first mal (a baglock, Sunday morning, and yes, hung over) I pulled my R-3's and did a backloop, unitentionally, then thought 'hell, I only got one chance left, if it's not gonna work I'd rather not know it too soon!' So I did a couple more backloops and pulled around a grand.... It worked! I did have a couple people ask why I waited so long and sort of shake their heads, but nobody tried to ground me or anything (that time!) If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

I agree with skyjumpnfool here, why pay money for a new crw canopy (or used -- if you can find them!) when we have these here. Sure, it would be nice, but people aren't just giving them away. As for static-line -- who wants to bother. Besides, lately we've been doing rw, followed by opening high and doing rotations. You'd need long s/l's to do that! If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

In my opinion, all demos are not created equal.... and all landing sites are not created equal either. There are many where round reserves would be perfectly adequate (eg, airshows on a big airport, functions beside large empty fields, or even in large urban parkland, etc.) A system where squares were required on some demos while not on others where the physical area would allow it, would be much better. I believe the US system allows stuff like this. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

I don't think anyone would have taken offense if you had said only 13 fatalities in the US. Otherwise the headline was somewhat confusing/misleading to many. It was nothing about the post itself, just how it was presented. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Do the military still use rounds? Yes. There's a reason for that. The disappearance of round reserves, like Jim said, was brought about more by associations then the acid mesh problems. The banning of round mains was a purely political ploy by cspa groups members which blew up in their face and resulted in the formation of a competing association. And I say this as someone who was a chief inst at a club and owned some student rigs with square parachutes that I would rent out, before and after changing the club from round to square mains. It didn't matter to me what the club down the road was using, I just wanted to be happy with my own student gear. Once people stopped jumping rounds as mains, it made some sense to start using square reserves in student rigs. However, after that the MOT began requiring that square reserves be used on demos. That pretty much meant that experienced jumpers had to get square reserves. Not sure whether that was MOT's initiative or whether it was a suggestion from cspa, but it would disturb me if it was cspa's suggestion. I still have a couple of round reserve rigs around. I wouldn't want to jump them in high winds, but there's nothing wrong with them, other then the fact I've gained some weight.... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

I guess I won't be skydiving in Norway, then. Too bad. I might have enjoyed it. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Just about any rig in production at that time had a belly band, I would think.... Sure looks like a wonderhog to me.... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

At or near Lake Simcoe would be Baldwin (run by Doc Marshall), where the Parachute Assoc of Toronto jumped. Near London would be St. Thomas, Bernie Larkin would have been there (ex cdn Toppop) since you have the patch. Near Guelph was probably Damascus, or one of the other places they jumped at before moving to Arthur, Ontario.... Tillsonburg may have had their own club, but there was a club in a place called Simcoe for a long time (nothing to do with Lake Simcoe). Vic Borghese ran it.... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Ok, now you got me. I grew up near Sarnia, Ontario, Canada, and started jumping in '79, and I've never heard of the Centennial meet, altho' I had heard rumors of a dz operating on a farm out near Camlachie somewhere, that maybe had a fatality or two. Where'd you get the patch? Know anything about the Centennial meet. Grand Bend Sport Parachute Centre is still about an hour from there, but there were some clubs across the border in Michigan pretty close. (Silver Eagle, Tecumseh) If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Earlier you said about JR particularly if one does not apparently grasp the current fundamentals and goals of that area. _________________________________________________ I would say there is a big difference between NOT GRASPING THE CURRENT FUNDAMENTALS AND GOALS, and NOT AGREEING WITH THE CURRENT FUNDAMENTALS AND GOALS of that area..... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

The good old days was when you could take a formation out the door at 4000 or less, turn points to 2500 (or less), dump at 15, and MAYBE slap a quick 2-stack together before breaking and doing an accuracy approach on the bowl.... Without worrying your aad or some other jumper was going to kill you.... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

And yet I never worried about throwing it out at 16-1800.... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Good decision. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Or unless you paid attention to the fact it's really dangerous below 1000 ft. _________________________________________________ I would challenge that statement.... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Still quite far away from the activation speed ! Is there any occurences of an AAD activating during a CRW jump ? ... ________________________________________________ What do you want? someone to die before you'll say maybe it;s a bad idea? People used to say 'Is there any occurences of an aad activating during a swoop jump', too -- then someone died and they still pretended it was a fluke -- until more and more aads fired during swoops, fortunately usually without fatalities. Even now they (the pro-aad forces) keep saying it can't happen, and most serious swoopers I know won't wear one.... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Not really much point doing a downplane if you're above 1000'.... Unless maybe you're doing parabatics.... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

I have not seen anyone do anything in the last 6.5 seconds of a high-speed descent that altered the outcome. _____________________________________________ Really? For someone with your years in sport I find that surprising. I've seen several things done in the 6.5 seconds that saved people, and most without aads. I myself was in a two-way below 800 feet (on a skydive, at terminal) and we both managed to open our reserves without aads. (doing it this low was unplanned, but we were watching, and decided to continue even tho' we were low.) I would have to say that the number of people I've seen personally save themselves below 800' without depending on aads would at least be in double digits, and I've never seen an actual bounce (some spinny things rode in maybe, or caused by the jumper, with severe injuries and deaths, but never a bounce). That's not to say I don't know they happen, I'm just surprised to hear someone say they've never seen anyone save themself..... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Bill's party was hosted by his daughter Crystal. Some of the attendees included Ernie Mueller from the '60, '62, '64 and '68 Canadian Style and Accuracy Team, Neil Perks (I think Cdn style champ from the '70's) and his brother Ray, Dick Wilbur (who for several years worked with the Helldrivers, barnstorming across Canada - parachuting as low as he could before each show because it was usually cold, raining and windy, and then as his alter-ego 'Pooh the Clown' riding around on top of cars and stuff to entertain - Al Griffiths, and Joe Chow, dzo of Skydive Toronto. Dick told the story of running into Ernie Mueller at the Nationals in Cobden, Ontario when Ernie asked him if he was competing. 'I can't, Ernie,' he replied. 'I'm grounded, and you;re one of the guys that grounded me.' Ernie told him not to worry about it. Dick was accompanied by his wife Sue, which made an interesting couple, Dick with 3400+ jumps before quitting in the mid 80's, and Sue, one of CSPA's newest A CofP holders after doing some 45 jumps over the summer after attending the agm in Montreal as an interested observer. Joe read an interesting piece he'd written about how much guts it must have taken, given the parachute technology of the day, to do the two chuteless jumps Bill got in trouble for, as well as the high altitude jumps he made back in the day. Got to meet Ken Wiecek, the guy (from Ohio) who handed a parachute to Cole on his second chuteless jump back in 1972 (I guess he felt he should get a parachute to him since he was Area Safety Officer. Also in attendance was Fred Murrin, one of the premiere WW I aircraft restorers/manufacturers, and a long-time jumper from the states. Bill's scrap books and logbooks were there along with dvds of some of his commercial and exhibition jumps and pictures of his contributions to aviation (he was also a balloon pilot and fixed wing pilot who built about 7 flying WW I era reproductions, including a Fokker triplane). If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Fire Captain, not Coroner. IMO the guy was just talking. I know one other jumper who had a very similar head impact with same type of aircraft. She woke up in a tree because her Cypres fired. Incidents I've read show that impacts with horizontal stabilizers of typical skydiving aircraft don't usually cause death. _______________________________________________ Like Scoobiedoo said, you want to find the coroner's report and post it we'll all know. Otherwise it comes down to do I believe the fire captain's opinion (who was there) or yours -- from your hearing of lots of other incidents similar.... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

I'll be at the party, but happy birthday now anyway.... Rob If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

The article says Foster, who had more than 4,000 jumps to his credit, likely died upon impact with the plane, fire Capt. James Judkins Jr. said. So an aad in all liklihood would not have helped.... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Jerry Bird is a skygod. Tom Pirus was a skygod. Craig Fronk and BJ Worth are skygods. Dan BC is a skygod. Closer to home, Bruce Robertson and Guy Wright could be considered skygods.... It's not always a derogatory term.... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

I have many fond memories of Frenchie. One year during the Xmas boogie, we turned a garbage pail upside down over a keg of beer sitting off to the side of the bonfire. After the rest of the beer was done, everyone went in to town to eat, about 5 or 6 of us stayed to finish the keg before the rest came back from town. The earth is a smaller place without him.... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone