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Hey, could you or billvon recommend a good book on the nature of lift? Preferably with a treatment of non-rigid wings, like parachutes. I've got a bit of a background in mechanics and mathematics, so if it's fairly technical I can handle it. I'm looking for a thorough treatment of the general model, preferably mathematical, without too many pictures. Hopefully curiosity won't kill this cat

There is a thread in the Incidents forum that got me thinking. Lets say you are falling at terminal in the neutral (arch) position. You go to pull, and you do some bad mojo, so that you tilt head downwards quickly. As the thread in Incidents describes it, you extend your left hand too far and bend your knees. My question is, in this scenario, what would be your new terminal? And how quickly would you accelerate to it? I have absolutely no experience freeflying if you don't count the stupid stuff I did before I learned to arch properly -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

She just sent me an email asking not to post it, hence post erased. Sorry peeps, just email them and they'll gladly send you the pics. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Which of the founding fathers of the US said that the first job of a patriot is to protect the country from it's own government? Who is more patriotic, the man who goes to war, or the man who doesn't because he thinks the war is unjust? Also, do people in the military fight for their country? Or for the people that live in it? Is it really the same thing? To anyone who answers, please address my questions. Thanks! -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Every time some high alert like this happens, there will be social trolls that will consider utilizing it to gain infamy. This sounds like one. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Gentlemen, wasn't this a discussion about the US? What has WW2 to do with Iraq? The US is hardly the same country anymore, JFK has been killed, the leadership is all different, even the people changed. And what does South Africa have to do with this? Seems to me that it doesn't matter where the person is from. You should consider what he has to say on it's own merit. Argue with the message, not the messenger. Just trying to keep a lid on the flames. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Has anyone been pied in freefall before? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Oranges! It's oranges! Let's have a fight! -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Wasn't one of the points of the inspections to find these illegal weapons and oversee their destruction? Shouldn't the UN at least give Saddam a chance to get rid of them, under supervision? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

True, but if there's a discussion, and you present constructive criticism based on facts, I'd imagine it should be at least taken on the basis of those facts. Oh well, I guess I'll just keep my mouth shut from now on -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Canada, duh! Seriously though, unfortunately, I have contributed to the whole mud-slinging thing with a post, for which I apologize. I didn't mean it, and I won't repeat it. I was braindead tired after 12 hours of non stop school, wasn't thinking straight. I guess that people just don't like to hear bad things said about their countries. Seems that, at a time like this, these things will surface. The question is, will we look past the differences in thinking? I hope yes. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Is a poop chute like a reserve, cause you go "shit!" when using it? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Haha! Well said. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Lets agree to disagree then. Just as an exercise, if you want me to "bash" some other country, like Canada or Israel or Russia (I've lived in all three), I'm sure I can come up with a list of wrongdoings easily. Everyone make bad choices. For the most, it's much easier than the US, too. As for your other question, simple calculating reasons. It keeps stability in unstable areas. If it is withdrawn, something like this chain of causation will take place: i) We sure showed them! If we could have that kind of influence on the US, we can turn all these buggers around us to dust. (everyone are saying this) ii) Who do our neighbours think they are? War ensues. Besides, isn't this really why the US is there? To prevent war? This is, again, probably not strictly necessary in Europe proper today, but that question seems to me to be very complex. Maybe billvon knows enough to answer it, I don't. I'm sure you can easily come up with examples where it is necessary, though. Of course, it is your money and manforce, it's your decision. I'm simply saying what I would want to happen. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

I admit, the first post was completely unwarranted, and I do apologize. The second one is just a list of facts, no way you can say that that's bashing. No country is perfect, sorry. I apologize for the first post. I didn't realize that it was such a big deal though, if it is, I can make the apology more public. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

My 2 cents. The "I" and the "you" here refer to noone in particular. > I like big cars, big boats, big motorcycles, big houses and big campfires. SUVs too? > I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some governmental stooge with a bad comb-over who wants to give it away to crack addicts for squirting out babies. Or maybe it's an abused runaway mother? > Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game. Definitely. > I believe they are called the Boy Scouts for a reason, that is why there are no girls allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts! Or maybe it's time to make one big Scouts, without gender roles? > I think that if you feel homosexuality is wrong, it is not a phobia, it is an opinion. Would it not be better for science to decide? > I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except numbers. The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, or Miss White America and see what happens. Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door. That gets a standing ovation from me. > I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird, or tick me off. They have the same right to you. Just make sure you don't exercise your right too much, otherwise you might find yourself in a dark alley with them exercising their right. > When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that's not racial profiling, it is the law of statistics. Wow, sanity > I know what sex is, and there are not varying degrees of it. If I received sex from one of my subordinates in my office, it wouldn't be a private matter or my personal business. I would be "FIRED" immediately! Why? What if you were both single? If it was completley consensual? What if the subordinate is your wife? > I believe that if you are selling me a milk shake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen you should have to speak English! My father and grandfather shouldn't have to die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours. Definitely. > I think the police should have every right to shoot your sorry ass if you threaten them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the word "freeze" or "stop" in English, see the above lines. Doesn't matter what you speak, if you threaten police, or anyone else, that anyone should have the right to self defence. > I feel much safer letting a machine with no political affiliation recount votes when needed. I know what the definition of lying is. If the machine works. > I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you are qualified for any special loan programs, government sponsored bank loans or tax breaks, etc., so you can open a hotel, coffee shop, trinket store, or any other business. We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk our lives in wars to defend their freedoms so that decades later they could come over here and tell us our constitution is a living document and open to their interpretations. This economic policy is entirely up to the Americans to decide. I don't see how the whole constitution affair ties into this. > I don't hate the rich. > I don't pity the poor. Maybe this is more reasonable: "I don't hate the rich just because they're rich. I don't pity the poor just because they're poor." > I believe a self-righteous liberal or conservative with a cause is more dangerous than a Hell's Angel with an attitude. Depends on the cause? I agree though. > I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue to make more. If it ticks you off, go and invent the next operating system that's better and put your name on the building. Ask your buddy that invented the Internet to help you. He did not invent a better OS. Neither did he invent the Internet. He is a piggybacker on the backs of his predecessors that everyone has forgotten. He definitely has the right to his money though. > It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child right, but it does take a parent to stand up to the kid and smack their little a**es when necessary and say "NO." Smack them how hard, and when they do what? Is that really the right way to teach them right from wrong? What makes you sure, because it worked for you? > "I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't pretend they are a political statement. And please stay home until that new lip ring heals, I don't want to look at your ugly infected mouth as you serve me fries! If I tattoo "Bush is a dick" on my penis, that would be a political statement. And if you don't like the staff, go somewhere else. > I am sick of "Political Correctness" and of all the suck ups that go along with it. I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them was born in Africa, so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides, Africa is a continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American because my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere else. You are proud to be from America. If you lived in Britain, would you prefer to be called British or American? Maybe the African-Americans are like you, only they are proud to be African? But yeah, less political correctness will definitely help. > And if you don't like my point of view, tough shit! Remember, anyone else has the right to the same. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Perhaps some, if not most, of the troops in Europe are not strictly necessary, but I don't think they are what takes up the majority of the budget, it's keeping a lid on the places where troops are necessary that does. Not surprisingly, most of those places don't really let the US station troops, so you use allies as bases of operations. Remove the troops? First, they will celebrate their "victory" over a superpower. Then, they will try their newfound freedom through economy by raising prices on their neighbours, maybe even enforcing strong trade tariffs. Different ideologies will start picking fights because of this (if they even wait that long). Everyone start feverishly building armies. Voila, war. No thanks, I vote for the US to continue playing Daddy. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Welcome. Please, sit down. Is there anything any of us can do to make you feel more at home? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Your avatar ain't right J/K! +ducks+ -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

That tub doesn't look very deep. I think the funniest part of that will happen when he LANDS. Can you say ow? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Granger is here? Cool, he was the guy who was threatening me that he will jump my very first packjob I hope you like moosehead goose, cause looks like we'll have lots of it -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Egh, moosehead it is then. I'll just buy as many cases of it as I can afford -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Marty! Wassup? Didn't know you were partaking in these forums Egh, definitely a roger on those shovels. And does beer count for the potluck? What kind do you want? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

For all good science fiction since it's time, perhaps, but definitely it did not influence Dune? Maybe I just don't see your distinction between sci-fi and science fiction. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Oh, it was just curiosity and making sure. I don't have anything against Star Trek