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Maybe the Secret Service gunner is a really really crap shot?LOL When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

'She looks like a monkey... A cheese eatting surrender monkey!' When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Oh lala! The Yanky bitch put a thumb tack on my seat When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Damn, how she get her her flat like that??? When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

As much point as a cock on a priest. Seeing as wherever the POTUS goes he closes half the bloody city and is surrounded by hundreds of Secret Service. And thats just when he's visiting European capitals. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

The big difference is that this is an alligation of illegal behaviour by alleged rouge coppers, not a high level government decision to torture. If these coppers are found guilty they'll face heavy prison sentances, the Americans who did this got a pat on the back from both the last and current POTUS one of whom approved and the other is playing the 'its all in the past card'. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Actually he was well received. When was the last time you heard a predominantly Muslim audience applauding a US President? As for bin Laden (if that's really his voice) did you think that he was going to change his stripes because Bush was gone? Methinks he dost protest too much. Bush was bin Laden's most prolific and effective recruiter. If Obama can divide what Bush was uniting then the bin Laden's of the world will have much tougher time. And that's a good thing, right? There was also many crys of 'We love you!' from the crowd. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Everyone except those that actually want to kill us. They're actually more pissed. Who cares, they're already doing their best to destroy everyone else anyway. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Sounds like AQ are scared, if they feel the need to denoince Obama and his speech then clearly they saw it as important. Their fear is that millions of ordinary Muslims around the world will consider what he had to say and maybe think differently about the future. So some mud hut dwelling dead man walking terrorist didn't like it, hardly suprising. But AQ represent no one but themselves. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Thanks Skybill, I studied these studies as part of my degree. Interesting the human psyche. Very telling that the prisoner studies had to be ended early. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

I'm glad you like the thread. While many companies used forced labour not all companies had working factories inside concentration camps, produced the electricity for the camps and one company had their name stamped on the ovens that were used to burn millions of murdered Jews, that company was Siemens. If you don't believe me go to Buchenwald and see for yourself. You can also read the research of Jean-Claude Pressac in his book Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, if you are interested in an equally academic but slightly less weighty tome I'd suggest Carlo Mattogno's paper The Crematoria Ovens of Auschwitz and Birkenau. Also see “Die Krematoriumsöfen von Auschwitz-Birkenau”, in: Ernst Gauss (ed.), Grundlagen zur Zeitgeschichte. Ein Handbuch über strittige Fragen des 20. Jahrhunderts, Grabert-Verlag, Tübingen 1994, pp. 281-320. I'm very aware of the work of the 'Einsatzgruppen ' all six groups including the groundwork that was laid by Rauff and Six for the Einsatzgruppen for the UK, the middle east and the US. They were formed by Heydrich back in '38 and contrary to your assertations that they were all German police, the majority were actually SS and SD though many were kripo (et al). Although many were Germans they were assited in their duties by Latvian, Estonian & Lithuanians. These men were known as the Mannschaft and many of the Lithuanians were "Junaks" or former convicts. Don't forget that they were also joined by gendarmes of the Ukrainian police all of whom took a very active part in the mass murders. So your assertation that they were all German policemen is not correct. An example of this was the use of Lituanian partisans t conduct killings with Einsatzkommando 3. This is well documented in the Jäger Report, a copy of which can be seen in the following link http://www.holocaust-history.org/works/jaeger-report/htm/img001.htm.de Alternativly you can view the original text in person at the Central Lithuanian Archives in Vilnius (by appointment only). where they hold the last existing copy of the six page report out of the original five copies. I'd also suggest that is a mistake to assume that one lacks knowledge based on a couple of posts. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Money is money. Israel has no problem hosting the two Bush presidents, or taking money from the US during their presidencies. Even though their family fortune is for a large part due to lucrative business with the nazis. I hadn't heard that. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Its pretty fucked up When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Nice loaded question. How about this? Can you pass me a law that would guarantee that another little girl would ever suffer death from a firearm? Remember it's for the childern. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090528/twl-two-year-old-boy-shot-dead-by-sister-3fd0ae9.html Yea, its for the children When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

PLF ??? For a water landing ?? Maybe I'm ill-informed, but that sounds goofy. Makes sense to me, if the water depth is unknown. Or the stuff under the water is unknown. Not all water landings are planned and intentional.

The reverse, how can Israel host and staff the very company that was so heavily involved in the Shoah? its just wrong. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

WOOSH! Oh look there goes the point, just above your head When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Point taken but Siemens in Israel???? When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

I'd leave it alone, I trust her. If she wants me to know something she will tell me herself. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

LOL... Thats funny When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Siemens of today grew on the back of deaths in the concentration camps, they built them, they had factories in them and produced the energy for them. Sure many companies worked for the Third Reich but few were truly as involved as Simens who also got off scot free afterwards. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

I'm disgusted at the Israeli government (Nothing to do with the Palistinians this time) and the Jews who not only let operate in Israel but work for Siemens. This is surely shameful. Jews who work for Siemens are pissing on the memory of those who died in the camps. THAT is true moral cowardness. http://www.siemens.co.il/ No shit When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Nelson Mandela was a racist too, but it didn't stop him from being a great statesman. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

You are right, Concentration camp guards, Serbian genocide perpertrators, Hutu murderers et al. What does it take for a ordinary person to become a instrument of mass murder and or torture? This thread is as much about 'us' as it is about 'them' what seperates us? I suspect in may cases only circumstance. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

How do you view the Concentration Camp guards of Auschwitz? Is there any circumstance where you could imagine that it could have been you on the ramp in a Nazi uniform? Were they humans or monsters? http://www.flickr.com/photos/32250091@N03/sets/72157616388023407/show/ When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca