BobKnoss

Not the way it was. I can only state what happened, and am completely unable to respond to your comments or to anyone else's wild claims. I have no explanation for what transpired, only the fact that it did. Offer opinions all you want, I have nothing to argue and no logic to offer. I did not direct anything, I was directed. I was given no copies of anything, ever. And I burned my draft cards. All of them. I was NEVER contacted by the FBI or any law enforcement agency. My threat was to move to Canada, hardly a county transgression. Negative, negative, negative. Where's your supervisor, Jerry the computer? "I....am......not.....an.....undercover....computer......beezeeep."

Isn't that the kind of thing a guy in a bar says when challenged about his "Seal" training? Seriously, that's a simply ridiculous claim. If you're left standing alive to talk about it, there is always a paper trail. I don't care who you are. Bob, it's simply ridiculous to claim the government would have "exsponged" your records because of your "top secret" mission, yet you'd still somehow be able to talk about it. Simply ridiculous. I was never in the military, I left before the swearing-in. I was subsequently tried by Commander John Anderson and convicted of threatening my draftboard, Loraine K. Long, sentenced to four years at Fort Levinworth USDB, suspended. THAT is my military experience. I inquired under the Freedom of Information Act and verified that Mac purged everything just like he said. Even my draftboard files are spotless. No indication of my having been processed. Nothing. That is fact. Can't make up those kinds of facts. Search til you are blue in the face. I'd be happy to have you show me anything! It is simply NOT THERE! POOF!

If you pinch your nose, stick one finger in your ear and hold your breath does a whistle start to blow in your head? NO RECORDS ANYWHERE! WIPED CLEAN. POOF! BLANKET PARDON. Go figure. So sorry.

Now, I was sure I saw a familiar object shoot out the back end of an AFLAC duck flying overhead. It was about 45° off the horizon accompanied by a match and bright flash. And he yelled as he was blown out of sight, "Buy BLAST!, and to all a good-night!" Quack! Quack! What some guys won't do for cheap advertising.

Only unknown to the general public. There are plenty of us that do know. They just aren't sayin'. Just counting on my fingers, I run out of fingers, and, by golly, I run out of toes, too! Wouldn't be a State Secret if EVERYBODY talked, right, Jerry? Where's Jerry? Did he blow a fuse? Get sent back for reprogramming? Calling R2D2. QS QS. Jerry knows EVERYTHING!

My military experience has been completely exsponged from all records. Yes, you fabricated lies to confuse me, like you have done with everyone else. You just keep on keeping on. Once I figured out your string of lies I figured out your goals. We can't believe anything you say anymore, i.e., Collins was not the name in Jefferson. Why do you make this crap up? I'll tell you the truth without these elaborate games you play. You just muddy the waters more and more, JUST LIKE JT! You want to write your own personal perspective of PROJECT NORJAK, like Tommy Gunn said. Whitewash!!

Knoss Replied: Borrowing an express from a prior post: Awww Crap Knoss - You even stated publicly the answer to the question! The email I gave to Tina over the phone from the co-pilot asked ONE Question. A question only she would know the answer to. At one time you even made a claim of what the specific answer was. It was in this thread or your site when you gave one of your off-the-cuff answers about what the item was. You do NOT know and you will never know what that item was. That was between Tina and the co-pilot. Oh, you are talking about the Chanel #5 perfume that Bill bought and called the Expensive French Whore Perfume? I thought that was really crude. He wasn't very nice at all to Tina. I think he regrets it now. Is that what I will never know? That's NOTHING, Jo. I know the whole Project! You just block out what doesn't fit your script.

"POPULAR" opinion I might add. "The dog ate my homework...." "Arrows? I didn't even see the Indians...." "And, I have some well irrigated farmland in east central Florida I can let go for the price of one signed 'Blast' paperback...PLEASE?"

Knoss does not even know what the Hell you are talking about!! What question? 'I am he of which you speak', as you often say, and was not privy to any telephone conversation between those two. What tall story are you trying to concoct now? Have you been exposed to the Blevins virus? You must have a very sick mind too, Jo. I did suggest that Blue Bird might be able to improve her life, and that was received well. Don't know if they followed through or not, but sounds like they did. I know there was a real honest concern for her a number of years ago and heartfelt desire to help her. May relate to the phone call you mention. I was not aware of it. Really, Jo, I think your mind may be giving way. You are lending credence to Terrible Terry Thomas' claims. This is not good. It would appear you are just another failed agent. I know you knew better once. What happened?

Jo, your information is confused. You have a lot of facts, but some of them are jumbled up. Duane was not in Jefferson under Collins according to McCoy. Mac found him there under his real name, Duane Weber. He looked all over for him as John Collins and could not find him. Not a big point, but an illustration of how your stubborn attitude rejects reasonable facts that differ from your understanding. He went from Jefferson to Bloomington, Minnesota, where he trained for the whole summer of 1968. His wife and two kids accompanied him. His parole officer visited him there. A really, really tall skinny guy with blond hair. He was assigned to Warrant Officer Sgt. Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr., Pentagon attache assigned to Special Services under Project Norjak, just like me. From Minnesota he went to Chicago for a quick stop and then to Cleveland where he met the FBI and surrendered per arrangement. This much I was personally involved with and have record of what transpired. He was trained extensively for Project Norjack during this period of time. Now, say, "Thank you, Bob," and quit asking the same question over and over. Accept it. It IS the truth.

Welcome to my World, Rosebud. You should probably change your screen name before they start explaining the meaning to that name. You think the penis talk is crude! There is no respect given here. Sorry, not MY friends.

For some strange reason 20/20 vision labels you as a druggie, a subversive, insane, a twisted conspiracist, stupid, a liar, or otherwise out to lunch. Suggestions to anyone falling into a train of thought other than the addressee's pet beliefs is considered a frontal attack on their character and will be dispatched with all due haste, including red and blue capital letters on really valid occasions. Now, let me tell you that you are looking mighty strange to me, Mr. Detective guy! Watch it!! (I like your preamble.) In my HUMBLE opinion, this case is best understood by thinking backwards. If it seems logical, it is what they want you to think. Do not ignore the illogical, because that is what probably happened. Nothing was supposed to be as it seemed, and that is why it worked. Everything was to throw you off, including the FBI statements. Examples would include the first sketch inaccuracies despite passenger complaints, the now non-existent BYU pin, failure to inspect cabin briefcases, loss and exchange of FBI evidence, alteration of bio information from the FBI to blatant misinformation, shutting up 'Janet' and on it goes. Go figure. Hope you are really smart. You have to be, here.

377 I followed this train of thought with substancial vigor in an extended 'conversation' with the local FBI, after validating my credentials. They finally said they simply have a different point of view on the Cooper case and to keep doing what I was doing. So, don't expect the Son of Sam law to be applied here anytime soon. I guess for some reason they want to fry bigger fish. They haven't stooped to Capone tactics yet. I suspect the deceivers will get addressed in due time.....

Jo, it can't be "not" a conspiracy and still have more than one person involved. There is absolutely no possible way a couple people could effect a major information sweep that includes even McCoy's high school yearbooks, his military pictures, files from the insurance company, the prisons, the whole internet, etc., etc. Well, maybe. "Mark my words": As Howard Hunt would put it in an angry memo as his prosecution moved forward, "The Watergate bugging is only one of a number of highly illegal conspiracies engaged in by one or more of the defendants at the behest of senior White House officials. These as yet undisclosed crimes can be proved." Nixon's chief aide, Bob Haldeman, was caught on tape alluding to this very issue: Haldeman: "The problem is that there are all kinds of other involvements and if they started a fishing thing on this they're going to start picking up other tracks." Now we know who to ask, don't we?? Alexander Porter Butterfield (born April 6, 1926) is a retired U.S. military officer, public servant, and businessman. He served as the deputy assistant to President Richard Nixon from 1969 until 1973. He was a key figure in the Watergate scandal, but was not personally involved in any wrongdoing, and was not investigated nor prosecuted. He later became Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration. Dum-dee-dum-dummmm.....

I guess the bottom line is who really knows where he jumped? I think if we knew that question we would of found evidence? Mrshutter45 Ralph received a correction of the flight path to 15 miles west of the reported site. This puts the flight on a trace of the oil pipeline. I have roughed in a map of the pipeline in relation to the reported flight path and in red, the corrected path (the pipeline). If you move the railroad track symbol I used for the reported path and move it west, you will see the obvious path they had to take around Portland as ordered. I am also attaching a picture of a pipeline environment for reference as a clear jumping site. There is a lot of information gathered about flight reference points, triangulation, etc., that is consistent with this information given to Ralph. You just reviewed some of it.

Nobody was checking twenties for serial numbers to match a printed list in Florida, they look at 50's and 100's for counterfeits. Especially people who didn't care to know where the cash came from when selling a car?

Have you read George Nuttal's book on Cooper? If not, please do, as it is full of accurate information. Faulty conclusions, but good thinking.

I think it exists, unless you guys can convince the Nixon Library to erase that, too. Come on, let's be play nice. Gone is gone, these are pros.

Yea, we all will have to agree it is odd so much evidence has POOFED! All of this Poofed Evidence and/or lack of it is what keeps the Cooper story going. Now that we agree on this point, let's go to the next point. Perhaps we can agree again, then look for another point. Study this post: "Knoss.Donkeys has nothing to do with a no go on intelligence. Maybe I can put it in simpler term's. Game plan over. There is no sand table for this operation. Call in artillery "Danger Close ". Jerry" Jerry is saying I have nothing to do with an approved declassification of Project Norjak by McCoy. He thinks the internet is no place to argue about telling the true story of Cooper. He thinks I'm talking too much and releasing too much information. He does not believe this is a negotiable subject and thinks it is time to lower the boom on me. Jerry is the "go-to" guy for Cap and I believe is in charge of the "Cooper Crew". I believe it is his primary job to mute the truth of Cooper and keep the real story off TV. Diversions are a goal of the Cooper Crew, certainly KC as I was in on that one. Now think back about this theory, Jo, and see if it doesn't fit your recollection of what has transpired. I am not guessing at what I am saying here, and you should know better by now also. Need more evidence? Read the confirming post above this! More horse tootie, constant horse tootie from a horse tooter, like you said. If you can't cover it with facts, bury it with BS.

Thanks for your input, I respect your opinion, but I DO recall his discussing being a pilot and am attempting to properly research this for 377. Can be reckless to claim a negative. I am rarely wrong on my recalls, but some details are starting to get foggy at 69, and that is good. I suspect that is a common phenomenia here...... It is even more reckless to claim a positive which is pure baloney. Nixon had a reputation for being incapable of doing anything mechanical. Even changing a light bulb, to use an illustration, was apparently beyond his mechanical skills. He certainly would not be a pilot. Never say, "never".... famous quote. I have basis for the statement, despite his apparent mechanical shortcomings, he had an extremely high IQ. I did find this from a book on the life of Nixon: "He was an air transport officer in the US Navy during the war, and after the war was posted stateside as a legal officer. He wanted to become a pilot, but instead was posted at Guadalcanal and later at Green Island, never seeing active combat." From this and the tape where he claimed to have been a pilot, I am guessing that any pilot experience would have been civil and post-war. I will keep you posted. It will show up, I think.

Remember: I was aware of the KC deception from before the beginning. I know your intentions. You have no interest in anything but fabrication of more fiction to dilute suspicions away from Cap. You will argue anything you are told to. Sorry, but you were exposed, Mr. Cooper Crew Member.

Thanks for your input, I respect your opinion, but I DO recall his discussing being a pilot and am attempting to properly research this for 377. Can be reckless to claim a negative. I am rarely wrong on my recalls, but some details are starting to get foggy at 69, and that is good. I suspect that is a common phenomenia here......

Your story reminds me of the final scenes from Raiders of the Lost Ark: Army Intelligence man: 'We have top men working on it, Dr Jones...' Indiana Jones: 'WHAT men?' Army Intelligence: 'Top men...' I'll admit your Cooper Fable is one of the most entertaining, if not actually fact. Get out of town. You are funnier than an ant trying to climb out of a sand hole with a wooden crutch. Just more fiction from a fiction writer. Glad you are enjoying the presentation of honest to God realism. We need to put Bob Hope's big white hat on Jerry as he rides the nuclear bomb out of the bomb bay doors, YEE-hay!!! Then you could make it your story. Now your confusing your movies characters! That was Slim Pickens. At least use the attention to detail you use in your made up cooper story in your rebuttals! Matt I know it was Slim Pickens! Everybody KNOWS THAT. GEES, Matt! I said Bob Hope's big white hat on Jerry. I did not say Bob Hope was in the movie. No wonder you don't get it. The Hat was Dan Blocker's 20 gallon Stutsen and it would look as cool on Jerry as it did on Bob Hope.

He said it in an interview. He said he was a pilot, but that he didn't fly anymore, he had pilots for that. I can try to find more information on that, but it was not my intention to get into a trial case here. You are way out of my league. I'm just a tool that has been used for a very good memory. Can't be sure when it was recorded, but I think it was in California. The FAA director or whatever that came to power about the time this Project initiated was the first pilot in charge of the FAA also. That had the biggest role in starting anything. He was from California and may have had direct ties to Nixon, pilot-wise. I'm not a professional researcher, but I will try, because I respect your attitude. It has to be out there somewhere. I vividly remember the tape.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I truly try to avoid ANY opinions, but am only human. I try real hard to offer only information that is first hand fact rather than second hand speculation. There is a very big difference. I think you probably have some valuable information based on who sent me to you, but I haven't heard anything I can verify. I would refuse to do that kind interview anyway, Jerry. My comments are absolutely dead serious. Nothing I ever say could be used as evidence without a valid confession or two. That will not happen during Ralph's lifetime. Ralph indirectly promised me that. No arrests while he is alive. And Larry Carr said it could never be solved, under the circumstances. So, Jerry, you are in a catch 22. And I was feeling frustrated. Sorry, Dude, you got a much bigger problem. I can help you on the QT^. Call me! A silent partner...