ridestrong

From here on out I will revert to my previous posts, as I keep circling back to them. Has been a good discussion. *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

Ok, yes there are people like Jim. The real issue is the people with the capabilities to improve their situation but don't. As you said Jim requires supervision to work effectively/productively. As I said before people without the mental or physical capabilities to improve themselves should be excluded and provided for as needed. It is those with the mental and physical capabilities that can but don't. There are going to be thousands of exceptions. But even more with the capability that don't. I am 100% for helping/assisting/caring and providing for those who truly need it. If someone just needs a boost then I am for that too. If you give someone living in poverty $2,000 to do with what they want. How many of them do you think will use that $ to buy essentials/tools to advance themselves vs buying feel-good or luxury items? (Please don't tell me they will need all that money to buy food etc... let's just assume for the scenario that they receive food stamps etc...) I think we have lost focus on the general question: "Do poor people do things to keep themselves poor?" We keep focusing on the extremes and bottom of the poverty line. I simply feel that the majority of the poor can improve their lives should they do what is necessary to do so. It's obviously not easy but it is possible. If I say, "you can't" then you can... if you say, you can't, then you can't... because you won't try. *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

If you lack the ability/skill,know-how to wash dishes, then most likely you can not care for yourself independently. I agree with you, people that can not effectively care for themselves should have aid and be taken care of. I think for arguments sake we should leave people with debilitating physical or mental limitations out of the vote. *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

Spine Surgery *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

Wow, I never thought I would learn so much about uranium... Seriously. Good thread. Some of you are super smarts. *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

I thought it was to prevent Afghanistan from becoming completely unstable and becoming a terrorist state. but one of my votes was 'I'm not sure what the mission is anymore'. *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

Thanks!!!! *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

6 or 7 *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

6 ugh... any ideas? *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

5 *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

4 *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

attempt 3 *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

sig color try #2 *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

Thanks guys. sig check *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

haha thanks, i figured out how to 'unwatch' I created a signature line for emails, but how do I create one for the forums? maybe the same place, i'll check. *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

1. Unwatch a thread. 2. Tell me if my signature line is showing. I can't see it myself in my posts. Thanks, Josh *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

I think only the powers that be really know what the hell is going on in the Middle East. I do know that there is power in numbers and if we're going to stay there Obama should listen to the people he put in charge and give them the troops they are asking for. If not, it may be too hostile for the current stand and we should just get out. All or nothing... but quit dilly dallying and half-assing it. I fully understand taking time to make the right decision, but the Generals over there do nothing but analyze their situation and already know what is needed for them to best accomplish their mission. *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

My buddy and I are going as the Geico cavemen. *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

You would probably like some of the Australian Shiraz wines. Rosemont is a pretty good one and cheap. I also like many of the Bordeaux region wines. Watch the movie Sideways *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

Ashes would be cool... Plastic bag will be just fine for me, just don't tell me about it. Hey can someone tell me if I have a signature line showing. I can't see it myself if it is there. *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

If you can't wash dishes, mop floors, etc... then you are severely handicapped and are the exception and should be taken care of. My "Give up and die" quote should have been obviously sarcastic since it is the exact point I'm arguing against. Didn't you read the last sentence of my last few posts? I believe everyone can make their own opportunities. To deny that is simply oppressive. If you try and fail... try again until you fucking succeed or die trying. *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

Darius You say, "You do relize you can work two or even tree shitty jobs not be on drugs, have 8 kids, and still be poor right?" I say, Yes, exactly answering the OP question. They are doing something to keep themselves poor. If they have 8 kids, that was their choice, they did that. Anyone can claim bankruptcy, start from scratch and get out of poverty. But it will sure as shit be harder if you do things to hold you back. I can't debate it with you when you can't see the big picture, and come back with the following: "How did you get so tough? Its amazing your like the guys who talk shit on xbox. Last ? are you 12?" I will ask you again,To say that they don't have the opportunity is plain ridiculous. Why don't they have the "opportunity" you speak of? Before you answer, ask yourself if it is just another open-ended excuse like the rest of them. If you try and fail... try again until you fucking succeed or die trying. *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

The "majority" you are speaking of can get a job I assure you. They just don't want to do the jobs that are available to them. I guaranty that there are plenty of shitty jobs out there that anyone can do, and guess what you can even work two of those shitty jobs if you so chose. The fact is there are options. If you can get a shitty job, what is to stop you from eventually investing in an education, or a business, etc... To say that they don't have the opportunity is plain ridiculous. Why don't they have the "opportunity" you speak of? Before you answer, ask yourself if it is just another open-ended excuse like the rest of them. And to your other reply, 'What about those that continue to try and fail.' I say, they should just give up and die... Get real man. Even your signature line is depressing. If you try and fail... try again until you fucking succeed or die trying. *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

In reply to -georgerussia- last post Great answers! *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

To everyone that answered no please read the following scenarios. First off, those of you who answered ‘No’ keep saying stuff like: ' Well not everyone has the same options.' --' Its harder for some more than others.'--' Some people don't get the same education.' Please take the following scenarios and tell me why it could not be applied to nearly everyone. Scenario 1: Poor Guy comes to America. He crosses the border with absolutely nothing but the clothes on his back. He is from Panama, speaks no English, is black, has only grade school education, and lost his left hand in a construction accident. He initially sleeps in the streets and homeless shelters. Poor Guy gets a job in landscaping doing manual labor, which can be done with one hand believe it or not. Poor Guy rents a room in low income housing. Poor Guy eventually saves enough money to buy a $500 truck, a lawnmower and some pruners. Poor Guy now has his own landscaping business. Poor Guy eventually works his way out of poverty. Scenario2: Same Poor Guy gets a job washing dishes. Poor Guy eventually saves enough money to start a hotdog stand. Poor Guy buys a second hotdog stand and splits profits of second hotdog stand with helper. Poor Guy eventually works his way out of poverty. Why can’t someone who lives in the ghetto, has a place to live, receives food stamps and receives other government handouts not apply scenario1 or scenario2. I did not say that Poor Guy made it rich, only that he made it out of poverty. Those of you who are ‘Nay sayers’ likely are not happy with where your at and therefore say, ‘If I can't do it, you can't do it.’ If you try and fail... try again. *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----