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Oh ok, I thought aff progression was the same everywhere. So in that case, I guess this could have been the students' first jump. If the students themselves chose not to jump, is 1 instructor still supposed to stay with them? I mean, I'm sure he doesn't want to die in a plane crash because his students chose not to jump. Or is the procedure to help them get buckled in and secure and then he can get out.

Did he say why the students were left on the plane in the first place and didn't jump? Either they chose not to jump or were ordered not to. And if there were only 2 affi's and 2 students then that means they were atleast on aff4 with 1 instructor per student and they each had atleast 3 jumps under their belts.

Haha ok ok, well pillow reserve handles is an entirely different discussion, and I think I'm gonna get a d-ring anyways because you can get your thumbs in there. But as far as the cutaway handle goes, you really have to just trust that the handle was made properly and the cable is secure, as rigger160 states? I found another thread where Zoter took an xray of his pillows to see what's going on in there and it looks like the cutaway handle has some metal cyliner that the cable loops around. So, I guess I'm just wondering how do you know that the cable loop is secure and wont break open when you go to pull your cutaway handle, or that the metal cylinder that's sewn into the handle doesn't come undone. Am I being paranoid? I'd just rather know exactly how everything works, especially if it's going to be saving my life one day. links to Zoter's xrays; Cutaway: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=55593; Reserve: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=55594;

We've started to go over gear checks during aff but I was wondering how you're supposed to check your pillow handles to make sure they're going to operate correctly. Obviously with a d-handle you can see the ball swage and give it a tug with your hand, though that doesn't really verify much, but what about pillow handles? Short of holding pins in place and giving the pillow a little tug is there any way to verify that everything is intact in there and you're not going to try to cutaway and end up with a hand full of pillow with no cables attached?

Conversely, as a student, if we're at 5k and the pilot tells everyone to get out except the students, is it my choice to listen to him or not? I have a perfectly good parachute to use rather than hope the plane lands safely. Not trying to say if anyone is wrong one way or the other, but do we, as students, just blindly listen to the pilot when everyone else is bailing out? I could understand if they were over a heavy populated area and there's concern over the students landing safely.

Yea, we only briefly covered airplane emergencies because there would obviously be instructors on board to tell us what to do in the event of an emergency, and that the pilot makes the call to get out or not.

Understood. I was talking about jumping from otters.

As a current aff student I can attest that I was briefed on airplane emergencies during my fjc. From what I was told, with an airplane emergency at 5k we would definitely NOT be landing with the plane, we would jump solo and pull immediately. I'd feel more than comfortable bailing out at 5k. But if these were all students doing fjc then who knows, maybe they really are safer landing with the plane. I believe what I was told was, I could be wrong on these altitudes btw; 2500 jump and pull main.

This seems like a good deal to me and I was just wondering if you would have taken advantage of this opportunity back when you were going through aff. I'm currently going through aff at Perris, doing aff3 soon, and they have a tunnel offer there that goes like this: 10 minutes of coached tunnel time for $240 If you should happen to fail your next aff jump and need to repeat it, they will pay for it. Sounds pretty good to me, 10 coached minutes in the tunnel, sounds like more than enough time to go through everything covered in the remaining aff jumps I would have.

Ok, that's what I figured and it makes sense. I guess I was just a little confused because keeping a written logbook just seems a little archaic to me. I do enjoy keeping my own notes on the jump and reading what my AFFI's had to say also.

Oh, one other thing; I was planning on getting an Altitrack soon, what more does a logbook prove that an Altitrack doesn't? I mean besides having signatures that I could have just forged myself. An Altitrack will show the date and time of last jump right, and total jump numbers?

First off; Yes I searched and read through tons of posts. I'm currently doing my AFF at Perris and have some questions regarding logbooks and proving currency status. There's a lot of differing opinions here about logbooks but what I'm trying to figure out is, do I really need to keep a logbook? I bought a logbook and have logged my first 2 AFF jumps and had them signed by my AFFI but they also told me that they keep all my jumps logged in their computers with notes and whatnot from the instructors that I jumped with. So, that being said, do they only keep track of them until I get my A license? or just til I finish AFF? I guess what I'm getting at is, let's say after I get my "A" license and I wanna go jump at Elsinore, or Vegas, or Hawaii (places I'll likely be jumping at within the next year) will I need a logbook of all my jumps with signatures to be allowed to jump there, or will I just need to show them my "A" card? And I was under the impression that I need to keep my own logbook to use for getting my "A", "B", "C" and so on. I just want to make sure I do everything correctly so I don't get screwed if I try to jump somewhere else in the near future.