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I jump at 2 drop zones, Chicagoland Skydive, Hinckley, IL. and Skydive Chicago, Ottawa, IL., I would perfer Hinckley for 3 reasons, Closer to me, Less air traffic in Summer as Skydive Chicago flies 2 otters with lots of jump traffic if you know what I mean and 3rd reason is Hinckley does NOT have a hungry river to take your cutaway!

YES, I did NOT read that BUT maybe it say docks should stop at 2500. once docked and w/o playing around you can land them?? again, I didnt read it but sounds like a uspa thing to do. Think about this, you should have a hard deck at 1800, that means once you hit that and have problems with your canopy you should have your plan of attack of cut it or not, but they allow "D" lic to pull at 2000. tell me your chute opens in 200 feet! not mine! thanks for that contact, I met Razz & April this fall and he is a great teacher, did some jumps and even got in on that Wis 25way record. I was hoping for more ppl in IL area, 2 hours drive one way is rough. in fact, thats Razz as pilot in the 25way formation pic

Nice job! First a reply to the one before this, how do you know its 1.4 wl he didnt say how much he weighs? He said 143 lightning, thats all I see, you have other info.? OR did you profile him and figured it out that way (LOL). Second, I would like to know where you seen other crw as I have been looking for others to jump with! Be slow and careful, lets you live longer and have more fun.

Maybe ask USPA for some facts/records of CRW deaths and then go though them and see what the facts/causes are, THEN report them back here so we all can know. It might be very hard to get a good reading cause according to most here they don't have AAD's on them to start with so the numbers of ADD's being used on CRW jumps are VERY low and then to try and find an Death/Injury from one (which is hard if not being used by many)is really going to make it look VERY SAFE to use it. Should first survey how many use one, then see if they had problems with it, how many CRW jumps made with a AAD and build a database on that info., that would really get the facts. sry, no time to survey. I had a AAD fire on me, pulled at 1900' opened main1500', released brakes and started to steer, felt a tug on the right shoulder, looked behind and seen a reserve trailing and opening, CUT my main and looked up to see my main risers going past the reserve front edge. Sry, didn't want to fly 2out as some said I should have. It was like a canopy transfer, had no jolt,(both canopies are the SAME size also) just watch the main riser go and new canopy was over my head. Got neat vid from it too! Vid also show my alt. while pulling to prove no-low pull! had nuff time to circle around and land next to free bag and walk to main on runway. Just my experence with a AAD and yes I still jump with it today.

GREAT QUESTION! I want to know this also, never did a downplane YET, but will and I have a AAD. Now I worry wheather it should be on, this thread opened my eyes and makes me worry about it. If I do one soon, I'll try to know alt beginning and end and know time and can get avg speed but it still makes me worry max speed might "pop" it. Any body do a downplane and held it for awhile WITH a AAD?

I for one would like to know, which was it impact with plane causing death or impact on ground. Fire Chief does not have the final say of cause, he was just giving his opinion. prob was asked by a reporter who didn't know anything and needed a OFFICAL that was responding to the call. Would really like to know, anybody have access to the FACTS and not opinions?

Not sure of your money but IF you start saving 10 or 20 a week over the next 9 months, you would have plenty to take a week off work(vacation),travel to a camp/dz CRW Boogie, get lessons and became a SAFE pup. There are a few good CRW camps always getting posted, next year in Aug is the Wis Boogie which is getting bigger each time. They will teach Pups on Thurs/Fri as well as fly smaller stuff Sat and Sun. 4 days in all. Its only about 10-14 hr drive for you if you jump in tenn/Mike Mullin's dz area. If your friend(s) came along, you can carpool/share expenses. YOU can only know if saving money for this is worth it. Good Luck and hope to meet you there

ok, so you have a rig set up for cutaways, does that mean the 3rd chute is in a belly pack or what/where does it go before exit? extra 3 ring setup meaning 2 sets of 3 rings on your harness? Is this something any rigger has seen or made? makes sense to do this a safe as possible thats why the questions, why use your only reserve when you can have a 3rd chute, leaving you with the reserve just in case. any hint/help point me in the right hands for this setup would be great.

second main attached how? deployed how, like have somebody holding it at door as you leave or what? what's the odds of having a bad ghostplane and having to chop the mess v taking it in for landing or close to landing?

I seen the set of pics and watched the video, the last one shows him leaving the plane sitting and releasing a 3rd canopy losing the freebag in the process if I seen it correctly. My question is how did he connect that 3rd chute to himself? Did he have another harness setup with a cutaway option? any info. would be nice. I'm thinking of doing a ghost plane. maybe a reserve freebag attached to a static line(so I don't lose the bag) with that 3rd chute setup so no reserve ride is done, I was thinking of pulling the REAL main and doing a chute transfer so there's no big jolt or big loss of alt. that way I could film him while he tries to fly it.

1)I never seen DZO people police anybody that came with their own equipment and acted like they knew what they were doing. 2)new Crw PUPs should have to drink a cola before they start drinking alchohol, the lower we can get the risk for PUPs for better for them, they can then advance to higher risk taking after they get the feel for it. if you think PUPs should take risk cause thats what you want maybe you should take up golf and get off the DZ with your bad advice! 3) It took me only 3 weeks to find a "Mentor" and he was a great teacher with plenty of info. that took 2-3 hours of walk thru and teaching even before we jumped. I also did read about how and what equip should be used as well as what to do when problems happened which helped speed the teaching and don't forget about my past experence, which always helps. I wasn't a newbe to sport as a whole like these guys are! Yes, I had to travel a little to get it done but my life is worth it! Maybe you should take up base jumping yourself, there's nothing like a big risk like that and while your at it, live life on the edge like you say for everybody else. Use normal gear to! one that takes about 500 feet to open on a bridge about 450 high, plz! make sure you get vid also so we can show what living on the edge can do and why proper equip. should be use. 4) don't take it personally either .

Talk about being annoyied! Decline of CRW, yes. I just don't want the decline to be caused by people giving false advice about how to do it with whatever equipment and lack of knowledge and then new PUPs die trying caused by BAD ADVICE. Yes safety should be a obstacle that must be there to avoid PUPs from doing the same mistakes that cause injuries and death. YOU still didn't answer why you want to do a camp? maybe cause you know I'm(and others here) are right bout getting training. Push people hard nuff and they will see it as a must and they will get it BUT give people an easy-out and they will be lazy and go for it. Again did you get trained to jump or did you just go for it and lived life on the edge. As for support, I'm more than willing to jump with pups but I'm not good nuff to teach it, I traveled 200 miles a day for a week for my training and first 11 jumps. My experence also helped as I had 6 cutaways and over 1300 jumps with 1100 with camera. I did that cause my life is worth it and I also had a great teacher. With experence you can excel fast with proper traning as well. As far as "no gloves" as your experence grows you also can make changes you see fit and accept the risk v rewards with experence. Looks like they are jumping crossbrace canopies with cascading microlines, lots of issues there BUT I'm sure he has hundreds of jumps on it too. This guy has a little over a hundred, how many cutaways? go ahead, live on the edge, duh check this thread and add it up, many saying lessons, few(1) saying live on the edge. nuff said!

Bang, Bang, BANG! now that I shot you down, hehe. A)Your comment about the first CRW people that didn't have CRW setup canopies I not sure is correct. Back in the early days I believe (maybe wrong)that ALL canopies had rope(dacron?) for linesets as microline wasn't around yet and canopies were a lot MORE FORGIVING, NOT these tablecoths people are jumping now. Fun on the edge can also lose more people than gain. Do you get on the jump plane without your gear on? Why not, live on the edge why don't you? Cause you were taught better(I hope) limit your risk to rewards to be in your favor. Fun is living to tell about it and still being unhurt after the jump as well. B) Didn't know CRW had a rulebook, I always thought them as a guidelines/common sense/RECOMMENDATIONS. B1)As for wearing leathers, yeah right, jumpers wearing hot leather in 90degree weather here is gonna happen. B2) Trailing pilot chutes, don't know what to say about them. Just another one of thoses added risk to rewards kind of questions you need to answer. What's a repack going for over there in the UK? Figure 2 pilot chute caused wraps and cut-aways and loss of your main worth the risk? Your call. B3) Yep, reading is soooo much better than being taught by an experienced instructor that would know how to explain it and answer questions not addressed in the book. First hand knowledge of the equipment and what would be acceptable and how to manage a wrap and what to expect. Yep, I'll go read the book every time, NOT! Did you read a book before doing your first jump without an instructor? come on be that "Wild Guy" and show us how not to do it. just my opinion Sorry for shotting you down but others also agree that a camp that teaches would be best, even YOU are trying to get a camp together for better learning, so why the bad opinion? It sucks that equipment and instructor/lessons costs money and it causes people not to get involed with this sport to start with, but again what's you life worth?

hey cro, IF you do get some canopies, you should still get some TRAINING ADVICE before you try it, just my opinion. Training can save your life! PD does have demos, you also might want to make sure you get the correct size canopies as well BUT Maybe you should save some money and go to a camp and take your friends(as many as possible!) cause you can split travel/lodging cost PLUS you will have somebody to jump with back at your zone also. win/win That's the BEST ADVICE I can give you.

I'm New to CRW but I learned from a great teacher. I've heard others jumping with NON-CRW canopies but you risk more. IF you get wrapped in it, the lines can cut into your leg and maybe even strip your muscle off your legs, just MAYBE but it's a higher risk than those thick dacron lines on CRW canopies. Also CRW canopies have added strength at gripping areas by added tape there. you should look at ads about CRW canopies and understand what and why things are different, there is a reason for it, your safety. I know it's a added expense but what's your legs worth? I went to a CRW boogie and seen a guy get wrapped with a CRW canopy and the red marks across the front of him where the lines rode were pretty amazing, just think what microlines would/could have done. Save you money and wait till you can go to a camp, there are a few listed here also. Most crw camps have FREE demo canopies and people that can advise and teach you properly! It's just not worth the risk of your life to be cheap, nobody just gave you a rig and said go for it, it was worth the money to learn to jump with proper equipment the first time so it's worth the money to try CRW with a proper canopy, just my opinon. You can have a great weekend learning and doing CRW with good teachers and doing it safety too! My first camp, they helped set my rig up and explained how and why they were doing it. It was a great time. Good Luck By the way, It's a blast!

HEY LT, Are you saying you have a pool? LOL Or you just wanting to talk about poopoo?

OPPS! Forgot bout the first record CReW Busting since I wasn't there,not to say it didn't happen, just didn't see it happen and totally forgot. Congrats to those dogs for setting the tempo first!

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tks so much for the pm, I'm going to try him later tonight. Heard nothing but GREAT things about him and his teachings. Finally I may get to see what it's all about. thanks UPDATE Just talked with Jim, lots of info. just over the phone, can't wait to meet and jump with! Thanks all for help to getting me in touch with him!

I called Sky Knights already,talked to Derrick/guy in charge. he said CRW Boogie not for beginners/teaching, gave me Jim e-mail, Still waiting for him to email back, been 4 days! Thanks for trying

I'm trying to locate people who can teach a little, as far as travel, I live in Aurora, IL., So IF anybody in the area that is willing to teach and knows how to teach, Im willing to learn and travel within 100 miles of my area. Any takers?? Thanks

I think the last guy is more correct. I have been trying to get people interested in CRW for awhile. Nobody in the area to really talk to about how to start. Some of the older dogs are lying around and nobody stepping up, you guys are losing the CRW sport big! Soon when you all quit, it's going to fade away. You really need to cross this great country and teach! I only know of 4 people doing it and they only do demo's, no teaching! Can't find any info. on how to get started on net either, just a little intro but no how to chose a canopy, sizes, weights, how to perform a downplane(which I really want to do!). you get people doing it and the sport will grow and get noticed more also. Hope to see your reply