Farflung

I was trying to find a source where Cooper would have experience with aft stairs, needs $200,000 and fit the description. Instead of looking at Black Ops and secret flights I turned my attention to Black Aircraft and well published flights. You got it, the private sector had exactly one jet in operation for business (yeah… riiiiiight) use and that was none other than the Playboy DC-9. That black plane quickly became a white elephant that ate money faster than Playboy customers could read the insightful articles festooned with tasteful imagery. By 1970 they subcontracted a flight crew which is code for – holy cow this thing costs a fortune while parked on the tarmac. Strange as it may sound, the market for year old, highly modified (read trampolines, Jacuzzi and oyster bar), commercial airliners is not that vast. Yet there appears to be an inordinate demand. By 1971 Playboy was losing money and a good chunk was on the Big Bunny. Just like every CEO today Cooper had to devise a ‘bailout’ or his company would go down the tubes. He matches the description, had military training, dressed the same until the hijacking then never wore a tie again. This is confirmed. Drinks bourbon, smokes and most importantly clearly knew how to operate the aft stairs. He even selected the next month’s Playmate to look exactly like Tina. Homage perhaps? This may be a little speculation so I’ll leave that part up to individual analysis. Clearly he began that Golden Ticket campaign as a reminder that he got away with it. Now Hefner is being chided for bad sex by his former fiancé. That’s why he should stick with virgins; they don’t know what bad sex is. Either way, I just hope that Hugh can find the right girl to grow old with; irrespective of his past crime.

Vicki pounces from the weeds again with: “What is the fifth thing?” Farf fully and with hunkyness aforethought responds: On advice of counsel, due to the fact that it may incriminate me, I’m taking the Fifth. Of Jack Daniel’s that is.

Farflung quotes self from the distant past: “I’ll give credit for the investigative talents if not the humility and just hold my nose and accept it.” Nothing about the parachute selection is being refuted; it is in fact being accepted. You see that paragraph was a counterpoise to the thought that the comments on that blog were from actual DZ participants. From what I read, it appeared to be a parody just like that other blog that had Sluggo Monster speaking in tongues compared to his typical parlance. There is a wealth of exemplars from the likes of georger, 377 (aka threesevenseven) and jerry thomis (aka thomas) which could/should serve as Rosetta Stones for those comments and the accusations that follow. My dufus opinion is that none of those comments are from people who post on DZ today with the exception of RobertMBlevins’ posts. Sorry that I was unable to make that point more concise in my previous set of smoke signals.

There are exactly five things that people will never lay claim to: One- Not having a sense of humor. B. Being terrible in the sack. Next- Screwing around at work. Lastly, being sloppy and imprecise. Therefore none of these attributes exist within the human condition. On one hand there is an expectation that I should marvel at the abilities of those that can take a banal circumstance and arrive at some fantastic and self declared, irrefutable conclusion. Like Cooper being in the military because he selected the NB-6 chute. As always, exclude the prima facie fact that it was a 50/50 proposition to the most casual of observer to begin with. This one action takes on a mythic value in that Cooper not only selected the NB-6 because of his military experience, he also neglected to make the NB-6 part of his demands opting for the more refined selection of a ‘back parachute’. I’ll give credit for the investigative talents if not the humility and just hold my nose and accept it. Now for the freaky part. These same people who possess such rarefied research skills can’t read comments on some blog and determine if it is potentially genuine or fodder for ‘The Onion’. There is a difference between people who can’t conjugate the verb ‘to be’ and those who are pretending to be of that ilk. People have certain speech patterns, favored communications techniques or crippling insecurities which are apparent in what they type over the years with some having tens of thousands of examples on this forum. This is not higher research or investigative acumen being displayed here. Just sayin.

“Thugism is no vice” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVNoClu0h9M Let me remind you also that…. Moderation in the pursuit of Cooper is no virtue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtYpnGZr6TA&feature=related In your heart, you know he’s right. Approved by the committee to Capture Cooper in 2011

Right now I’m just waiting for the other shoe to drop after experiencing the totally out of left field, who could have seen this coming death of Amy Winehouse followed by the romantic break up of Jesse James and Kat Von D. I just want to see some reason and order return to my world so I will know things will be normal someday. It’s nice to have the Cooper thread as a refuge from this chaos and discourse. You know a little slice of logic in a world where the main course is typically a heaping helping of dominance topped with megalomania and a side of passive aggressive manipulation served on a platter called a paycheck. If only there was a place where everyone violently agreed with each other and no one would have a different feeling. I’m struggling to find the right word for such a paradise. It is ‘wooooot’ or ‘wooooooh’ or ‘wahhhh’. I just hope there is a monosyllabic utterance that will capture this spirit somewhere. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4XAyyMICnc You know this is the very essence of what I was looking for. The endless, pee their pants raw, genuine excitement laced with applause for what had to have been the greatest message ever spoken by a human mouth…. on this planet… or any other planet. It’s hard to believe we need a place like Vegas for escapist activities. Why doesn’t everyone just work for this company? Geesh. I had to move my furniture and have a bit of a dance then execute a few pirouettes and what not. It was just too intoxicating not to wildly applaud and scream, it really was that good. Not an example of what most will do to facilitate 15 days of pay. I guess I feel better now. Thanks DBC thread for always being consistent, you are my rock.

Skyjack71 asked RobertMBLevins: “Don't give a whishy washy answer - just the truth. Did you credit the DZ for the information they willing provided when you did the re-write?” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSV9_J8Csts&feature=related In German – Nein Arabic – La Greek – Ohi Luxemburgish – Nee Tagalog – hindi po Latin – non Esperanto – ne “DBC Threadaranto” - “Acknowledgements Our sincere thanks to the following people and organizations The Federal Bureau of Investigation, Seattle Office The Reno Gazette-Journal Hannah Kanew Geoff Gray of the New York Magazine Lyle Christiansen Sherry Hart Ruth and Bobbie Shepard Earl Cossey Ruby Moore Dan and Lynn Rattenbury of the Priced-Right Print and Sign Shop U.S. Search Pete Berg from Go-Go Luckey Productions The History Channel program Brad Meltzer’s Decoded Marisa Kagan Special Agent Larry Carr of the F.B.I. (Seattle) Special Agent Ralph Himmelsbach of the F.B.I. (Retired) Bill Rataczak of Northwest Airlines The Methow Café in Methow, Washington State Managing Editor Mark Lundahl of the Reno Gazette-Journal ‘Mike and Katy Watson’ of Sequim and Twisp, WA ‘Dawn J.’ of Fox Island, Washington State ‘Helen J’ of Sumner, Washington State Cover Photos Cover Photos: Kevin King ‘Divemasterking 2000’ Courtesy of Creative Commons/Flickr.com Image Credits The Reno Gazette (November 1971) Northwest Orient Airlines Pete Berg Hannah Kanew Albert Weinberg/Le Lombard Shemya Island Archives Public Domain Images The Christiansen Family of Morris, Minnesota Adventure Books of Seattle Sherlock Investigations, New York City”

Armed with nothing more than PowerPoint, Windows 7 and a burning desire for the truth, Eric Cartman (his real name) was able to sift through what ‘they’ want you to believe and find the one true answer. http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155284/sneaky-butthole I laugh because this is a two dimensional cartoon about a bunch of fourth graders that never advance beyond that level. You see it’s funny because nothing like this actually exists in real life so they appear humorous in how seriously they take themselves. So I laugh at them because my life is filled with important things that I do that are heroic and hunky.

smokin99, Being that it is Friday and you are hot….. I figured it was time to offer another ‘Phrase of the Day’. You were a few hours too late to lay claim to the other one and there are the Federal Truth in Labeling Laws to consider.

I was at a Burger King (don’t judge) and a woman was complaining about ‘something’ and getting a little loud. The person behind the counter submitted to Cruella’s (her temporary name in my mind) demands and put something inside a bag for her. The end I thought. So I’m standing there (being all cool) waiting my turn and this creature turns around to reveal a nameplate pinned to her XXXL, semi polo, triple reinforced stitched, open collar, short sleeve shirt that said DMV. That’s right, DMV. How did the universe not implode? Temerity, hubris and disassociation all rolled into one of the most customer loathing and efficiency killing organizations in the history of man, time and space was actually complaining about service levels. Involuntarily (although Freud would disagree) I said “Holy crap, you’re from the DMV and complaining? That takes a large set.” Oddly she did not thank me for that comment. How did this happen? How? DMV people know full well they suck and are hated. I could understand it if they were in a vacuum and had no way to understand how the rest of society operates. But once I observed one of them grazing at the local eatery all bets were off because she had the ability to be dissatisfied and complain real time. Something her organization does not allow. I see you were late for lunch, your Whopper will be an additional $1.35. I guess it takes all types. Once I got over my shock of the level of total oblivion this person must live within, other things became less chaotic. They still don’t make sense to me, just less chaotic. This woman truly believes she provides a society enhancing service and the world would be worse without her practicing her profession. So she probably won’t acknowledge that there is a problem at an organization that greets you with a body scan and armed guards at the entrance. I realize people hate me so the solution is to build higher walls and add larger guns. Of course these things cost more money so I’ll raise the fees collected from the very people going through the metal detector that already despise this facility and will continue such controls, until customer satisfaction improves. How did this happen? How? Since this forum has so many DNA experts there must be even more DMV experts that will give sound and reasonable explanations why my suggested changes to this organization won’t work. After all, pointing out that something can’t be done is a specialty here among the private sector, over achievers…..right? So here’s the deal. The DMV will view customers as the source and reason they in fact exist, not the other way around. Customers are the stream of your life’s blood so the unabated urination into the very stream you drink from would appear a bit misaligned. Tenure, job guarantees and labor contracts are to be replaced with customer delighting, efficient and waste free conduct while at the work place. Ahhhhh, who am I kidding. This would never work. Then what would all the ex-‘DMV’ employees do? Probably act all Zombie confused and mindlessly migrate to the ‘DBC’ thread and there are enough problems here already. Sorry about this, I guess it has nothing to do with DB Cooper. Fortunately I caught myself just in time.

georger succinctly responds to 377 with: Will my ‘Phrase of the Day’ ever find a proper home?

Here we go again with this forum’s ‘authorita’ being mercilessly assaulted with differing views from archaeologists, biologists, doctors and guys with impressively large tweezers. According to this article: http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2008-04/oldest-human-dna-found-americas someone claims to have found some 14,000 year old human DNA in a….. uhh… preserved piece of history. But I don’t like the smell of this story because some wicked, smart people from the internet (code for DZ.com) already said 40 year old DNA is hopelessly degraded and un-useable. But don’t be sad and develop long feces DZ experts, because there is still fresh hope on the horizon. They go on to talk about the ancient Coprolites which were left behind in that cave. If only we could tap into the source of their wisdom we could solve so many of man’s problems today. Too bad the Coprolites died off because I think they would have fit in nicely with modern society and most on this thread would have warmly embraced them. Although there would have been some jealousy with several trying to show how they are bigger and smarter than the ancient Coprolites. I still feel there are several members of the DBC thread who should be considered honorary Coprolites because of their tireless abilities to give of themselves. I’m sure they know who they are and represent the nation’s best and brightest of minds, because they will tell you this at the slightest opportunity. Fourteen thousand three hundred year old DNA indeed. Sounds like a pile of gold bricks to me.

Yet another charming attribute I’ve been cursed with along with terminal BO combined with a compulsion to take and check my body temperature every hour, the ‘old fashioned’ way. While always open to new OCDs and personality frailties, I still dream of trying to improve myself on some sort of intellectual basis. I must accept yet another soul depleting humiliation while bowing at the thrones of defeat and ridicule. After exceeding 20,000 comments and ‘God only knows’ how many words, I sought a found a phrase that had not been used as of yet. But that was only half the battle as I so quickly discovered and realized my severe limitations. Perhaps there is someone with the omnipotent wisdom required to find a way to apply this homeless ‘Phrase of the Day.’ But who?

Farflung prophetically quotes self: “I know this is the same as shooting myself in the foot here….” And lo and behold it came true! Man predictability is awesome. Why can’t I do it with lottery numbers…. Hmmm…. I foolishly (foolishly that is) assumed that technology had actually developed some DNA isolation techniques over the past few years. Can you imagine the raw luck experienced when a prostitute’s corpse (Green River Killer for example) is recovered and the only DNA extracted from her body is that of the killer? Good thing that killer was her first customer otherwise it would have remained a mystery forever. I should have considered this from the start. I’m just glad I was set straight before anything got weird or freaky on this thread. That is what makes this the premier open pit for data mining. What was I thinking? Of course the reserve lines were handled by hundreds of people over the years and the geography of the cut locations and gripping force would be the same as any other part of the reserve system. But the tie, that was only handled by one person because clip on neckties are typically attached with salad tongs which have been sealed in plastic bags removed from an autoclave after being bathed in iodine. If only I had considered this simple fact since DNA was extracted from the tie which was never handled by anyone other than the owner. Yep, sales people, warehousemen, seamstresses, browsing customers, customers returning merchandise and cashiers would have never touched that tie and that is assuming it wasn’t purchased from a thrift store after being savagely worn by a well dressed jackhammer operator. This is yet another example of why my thirst for logic remains unquenched while others are perpetually drunk on the stuff. The very suggestion that some sequence of markers which may (may that is; not will) with an uncertain origin could (could that is) be matched against a potential (potential that is) pool of markers from the cut line is simply too wild, theoretical and in an eccentric orbit to ever be of evidentiary value. I pledge to keep the focus and the Cooper flame burning brightly on the perennial favorites of Special Ops, Coded Messages, Composite Sketch Dithering and One Up-manship. “Tippy-canoe and georger too!”

Wow, this reminds me of a woman who asked me about a relative that had told the family about his time as an aerial gunner with the USAAF in WWII. She showed me a photo of a man wearing two stripes on his sleeve and that was the end of that for me. From Bruce’s interview: “Yeah, World Airways and the others did whatever needed to be done in Vietnam that the military couldn’t do because of the Geneva Conventions,” Well I would hope it would be an organization completely disassociated with the military, humanity in general and the entire universe that would knowingly violate the Geneva Protocols. What a piece of work that would take. Assuming he ever read or was aware of the conventions in the first place. But this thread needs copious amounts of bad if not completely nefarious information in order to make a horrid conclusion. This is one such example. That is the end of that for me. Take some precious time and ‘Google’ the Geneva Conventions and what they entail and who they protect and why; it may be enlightening. Please, someone prove me wrong on this point.

I know this is the same as shooting myself in the foot here but I kinda dig pain and hate the shoes I’m wearing. So the DNA is suspect (may be ungood) with the tie being a possible source for Cooper’s biological ID. There may (just may) be a source for a crosscheck but initial discussions were shut down due to a proclamation that enough was already said on the subject (it’s good to be a King). It sure would be nice to have a measurable criterion where transparency is ever present and the goal is an accurate answer. Ahhhh, who am I kidding with that one? Anyway, Cooper certainly touched that reserve pack and those lines in order to cannibalize some material. I tried (unsuccessfully yet again) to find out if any DNA (or whatever) could have been transferred to the lines as Cooper was grasping them and cutting (0:57-1:15). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLOgfkv4alk&feature=related One could cross check any DNA residing in the canopy lines (a strange place for the stuff) against the tie to see if there is a match. I would then assume that the odds of the measured DNA being Cooper’s as having a higher confidence level. This should also help Cooper keep his right to bare arms and not have the hairy type.

Another word is trying to insert itself into the Cooper dialog in the guise of Cooper being local to Seattle. As much as they are hated, despised and scorned; I tried a few case studies to use as a bench mark. Robb Heady was from Reno, hijacked a plane in Reno and jumped a few miles south of Reno. I would say he had the earmarks of someone being local to Reno. At least he was trying to jump in an area close to home. Richard McCoy was from Utah and had a plane land at SFO before jumping in Utah then walking/hitching home from there. Martin McNally hijacked a plane out of Oklahoma City, waited for money in St Louis then had the crew fly some wild ass route before jumping over Peru, IN then walking/hitching home (Detroit) from there. Richard LaPoint hijacked a plane out of Las Vegas and jumped over Akron, CO presumably with the intent of walking/hitching home to Denver. He was captured shortly after his jump. Here are four examples of hijackers that jumped in areas closer (relative) to their homes since they didn’t appear to have a plan to just walk to a motel and throw down some green posing as a transient worker (too complex) and recover from the jump and get their bearings. Now Cooper hijacked a plane destined for Seattle, demanded some stupefying destination to the south and jumped near Portland……. Therefore he must be from Seattle??? This appears to be a ‘Power of Will’ over observable data in play here.

Richard McCoy 7 April 1972 (Friday) LaPoint 20 Jan 1972 (Thursday) Robb Heady (Friday) Willie Holder (really his name) and Catherine Kerkow, 2 June 1972 (Friday). That was a loooong time ago and the statute of limitations has run out according to some legal experts on this thread. http://www.interpol.int/public/data/wanted/notices/data/2010/42/2010_11142.asp Geesh, someone better send a letter to Interpol and let them know about this error, gosh darn it and don’t be afraid to be a little cross, a little cross you should be. Martin McNally 23 June 1972 (Friday) There you have it, four out of five hijackers prefer Friday for hijacking a plane. We realize you have a choice when selecting what day to commit crime and thank you for choosing Friday as your favorite. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSowZcvoqr4 It would appear that having an open bank is not that tall on the list of considerations. I can see no reasons, cus there are no reasons, tell me why…. they didn’t choose another day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDxFtQgoWt8 What day is the worst for hijacking? Could someone spell it out for me? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBn2ux5vRHk I’d like to know how Tina managed to carry all those parachutes and the money through a narrow body jet like the 727. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nuhja7y4TM&feature=related Ultimately the answer has already been written and we are all painfully aware of just what sort of recipe that was imbedded within. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqrhdYQ_wMg

Dayumm, somebody must have ‘wound up’ Vicki today. Be that as it may; if cooking on the patio is a crime, then I plead guilty. And will submissively await the arrest and bodily restraint, moderate humiliation and discipline, I so richly deserve from a volunteer Sheriff/Prison Matron that may mercilessly torment me behind bars, or in one.

Probably because I’m not much of a cook, at least not in the kitchen if ya know whatta mean. The reviews keep accumulating for Gray’s book on Amazon.com and the latest batch simply slays me. One reviewer outlined some of the finer investigative research which attracts certain types of higher level thinkers into the Cooper vortex. He describes how the author is sitting in a cabin in unwashed clothes and begging a woman he (Gray) describes as ‘off her rocker’, to read him a cherry cheesecake recipe over the phone, because there may be a coded message about the location of the money or the identity of Cooper. Fortunately, I keep a spare pair of pants around for seeing just such a passage would induce bladder failure on any unsuspecting reader. A secret message in a cookbook that ‘may’ have contained a childhood picture of Tina??? Dayumm.

Here is where my Bat-senses feel a little twinge of misalignment. So Cooper did a preflight on his primary chute, to include the data card and was acting all Sky-godishy, then immediately suffered a crippling stupid attack when it came time to inspect the reserve. I simply can’t imagine this oversight by someone with any expertise. Dang, this guy just can’t seem to fit into an experienced aviator profile for me (I know everyone hates this). I know after checking one engine, I always say, “Screw it, checking the other is a hassle” then finish with the phrase, “Christian Science Preflight Checklist - Complete”. How did Cooper gut the good reserve for line and select a training dummy if he did a (force of habit) preflight on his gear? I’m still not feeling much in the way of experience based upon crosschecking his behaviors. He DID jump with a training reserve after all which was included by mistake; hence the reason for system checklists. Not checking the redundant system is virtually the same as not having one, which was the case here. That’s deserving of some Darwinian consideration to say the least.

In spite of the usual DBC thread detour, I still see no resemblance between the top row of photos and the bottom row. These questions are always made so complex (as in… What time did you get to work? – I brought my lunch). Different eyebrows, ears, chin, shape of head, it does not look like the same person to me. Regardless of what the source may claim, I (me, my opinion) simply don’t see the same individual in those images. I’m thinking someone is mistaken on this subject. Yet there are people who can read minds and arrive at intent on this thread about some of the most complex circumstances I have ever read about. FBI cover ups, conspiracies and weekends in an Airstream leading directly to hijackings to name a few constantly repeated themes. But offer some images of a real person or some damage to the stairs and it is…… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg Where is all the expertise about these issues? Hmmmm….. me so confused.

I know when I’m on a quest for “the truth” copyright is a primary concern because that enhances the flow of information and analysis. How could I be so careless? Soooo…. the top row has Kenny in the Army, at Bernie’s wedding and entering his crappy apartment in 1971 . This leaves the bottom row…… So of those three images, one is Kenny from high school and another is a passport photo? I’m guessing the passport photo is either the one with Kenny holding a beer or smoking a pipe since most high schools frown on students doing either of those activities. Cool passport photo regardless.

Here is a mini-experiment Orange1, The attached image illustrates the six faces of Kenny. I just don’t see the resemblance (I know I’m alone with this viewpoint) between the top row and the bottom row. But this may be due to an as of yet to be identified medical condition where things look different to me. Like Duane’s little, tiny, cute, elfin nose where I initially was impressed with something far more ‘prominent’. I fully realize how wrong my perceptions can be thanks to this thread.

OK 377 you (or my syphilis) got me completely confused and feeling insecure now. It is true that F-111s were not stationed at McChord AFB so they did not come from McChord. Why would the Air Force scramble F-106s from Washington for an intercept on an aircraft departing Las Vegas? I think the Air Force may have been wise enough to use Nellis AFB but I could easily be convinced of anything regarding government blunders. After all they required the ‘Cooper Vane’ be installed to trap future psychos with a bomb inside the aircraft. Gee, thanks Uncle Sam thanks bunches, just luv ya, oh I just luuuuuuv ya, muah, muah, kissy kissy. I was not aware that a C-130 was involved in this incident either. All these hijackings are wrapped in mystery, government intrigue and secret betrayal. I dig this stuff.