BruceSmith

So, was the plane at 10,000 feet; or lower, as per Dona Elliott? Quinoa, eh? Those grains are so smaill. I think I'll stick to oatmeal.

Every medium is a phony. Not ONE has been able to demonstrate paranormal perception in a properly designed experiment. They have a wonderful excuse though, that their powers are inhibited under scientific scrutiny. The dog ate my homework is so lame by comparison. The James Randi prize is still unclaimed. I guess monetary awards also inhibit psychic powers. I dearly wish we had real oracles and psychics who could divine the future, talk with the dead and solve Norjack. But that's fantasy. The cold hard facts say that the boring laws of physics prevail and are not skirted by self proclaimed soothsayers. 377 Three-Seven-Seven, you can be so prickly some times. "All mediums are phony?" C'mon. Yeah, I know no one has been able to knock off the James Randi Prize, yet, and I haven't won a lotto game over six bucks, but hey, I'm working on it. After all, the best remote viewers says they are only accurate twenty-percent of the time. The nausea and cramping I feel when I go back aboard Flight 305 on Novemeber 24, 1971 is real. To me, my physiologic response means something. Exactly what, I'm not sure - I'll grant you that - but it feels connected to a legitmate process, one that is very deep and not some minor emotional twitch.

Reply: Good to see I'm not the only one who talks to dead people. It's when you start SEEING the dead people where the problems begin. Means one of three things. 1) You should apply to be in the sequel to The Sixth Sense. 2) You should see a psychiatrist. 3) Run. They are actually zombies. Just for laughs I sent Theresa Caputo a message saying why she should hook up with Lyle Christiansen... I see them, too, Robert. Didn't you read my chapter 28? Going back in time in consciousness is a real trip. The 70s gave me a stomach ache.

Reply: Good to see I'm not the only one who talks to dead people. Oatmel, eh? Never thought of it, but maybe I'll sprinkle some on my lotto ticket. Mega Millions is up to 230 million.... Happy Thanksgiving everyone. And Happy Channukah, too.

Robin Collins just called me to say that she and Brad, the author of the new book on DBC, are coming to the WSHM on Friday. Very cool, I say, as his book is scheduled for release on that day as well.

Albert. Gore. Al Gore? Coincidence? Reply: Mark, do you think there is any truth to the rumor that Judge Collins lived in Grassy Knolls Estates? Just asking. BTW: Meyer Louie tells me that you're runnin' him down to Ariel and back on Saturday. Cool. See you at the WSHM and at the party. You gonna be around on Friday for Geoff's shin-dig?

377 Here is a picture of Jack Collins. Looks similar to the sketch....he must be the one!!! You can read the first few pages of the book here http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/185096476 Reply: I just spoke with Robin Collins, Bradley's wife. She's not a kook! Whew - and she described what sounds like a very deliberate and sound approach to an important family story. Bradley was out, but I expect to talk with him soon. Their book is due out Friday for public distribution in print form. Their pub was some outfit in the UK. Robin and Bradley may be coming to the shin-dig Friday at the WSHM. Robin also told me that she and Brad had been at the Cooper exhibit's opening day and spoke with Tom Kaye. Robin also said that she is a big time reader of the Mountain News! I love her already, although not as much as Mooshie, of course, but 377 knows that and understands. He understands so much.... So Bruce, in your professional opinion, is there anything to this? Yes, no, maybe? Blevins, I enjoyed you brushes with greatness, but I got you beat. I once got to sing on stage with my favorite singer John Mellencamp (there is two things I can't do and singing is both of them). I also met and partied with the man who bought my favorite football team, had some good years with them, and then destroyed them...Jerry Jones. Bruce, I think I will hold off reading your book until after you go back and edit to include this Collins fellow, lol. Reply: Yo, Parrot, I don't know, and I still haven't spoken to Bradley, who is saying that his father is Coop. But the vibe I'm getting at the moment is this is strong enough to look into. As for holding off on reading my book until something else happens, you sound like my sister who used to drive me crazy by saving her Halloween candy for months - she was still eating chocolate on Christmas Eve! Me, my stuff was gone in 24 hours. Vicki- good find on Judge Collins. So befitting to the Cooper case. See ya Friday. Lastly, just got an email from Pat Forman. She and Ron are coming to the symposium on Saturday, and they'll be in Ariel, too.

377 Here is a picture of Jack Collins. Looks similar to the sketch....he must be the one!!! You can read the first few pages of the book here http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/185096476 Reply: I just spoke with Robin Collins, Bradley's wife. She's not a kook! Whew - and she described what sounds like a very deliberate and sound approach to an important family story. Bradley was out, but I expect to talk with him soon. Their book is due out Friday for public distribution in print form. Their pub was some outfit in the UK. Robin and Bradley may be coming to the shin-dig Friday at the WSHM. Robin also told me that she and Brad had been at the Cooper exhibit's opening day and spoke with Tom Kaye. Robin also said that she is a big time reader of the Mountain News! I love her already, although not as much as Mooshie, of course, but 377 knows that and understands. He understands so much....

Reply: How about extreme provocation from loud-mouthed jerks who refuse to accept our opinions on DB Cooper and say that Mel was just a bank note guy? Something along those lines, 377? Plus, they started it. Anyway, we were out-numbered. And I thought I saw something shiney in his hand. Can we start with that? That should at least get us bail, right? And we were defending your honor, 377, and our constitutional rights to post on the DZ! This is America, Gawd-damnit! We were just standing our ground and defending our right to tell the world how it really is! Whew, I better sit down, go for a walk, or something....

Reply, Grey Cop, if you can show me the physical location of the original money find, in person, I'm happy to go for a strol with you there. I'm not interested in seeing a spot on a map or anything else - just the real location, in person, mud on our boots. The real deal. - Bruce Bruce you called me and I offered to ride my motorcycle and get another speeding ticket LOL LARRY AND CURTIS,and show you all my evidence that I gave to the FBI when I solved it.YOU said I wilted under the hot summer sun. But I can get pass that if you bring me 12 wilting roses LOL.YES I AM WILLING TO GET MUD ON THE BOOTS BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT MUD CLOSE YOU WILL SEE LITTLE SILVER DOUGHNUTS IN IT. yes i will show you and the big oak tree with the slit in the side of it.PLUS the oak tree at the and of the runway at Woodland air port and more GC 148 the GRAY COP all you want Reply, I take it you are willing to show me the exact spot of the initial, so-called, money find. I will be in Ariel Saturday night for the party and am staying over in Woodland. Can we stroll Sunday afternoon, pending the okay from the folks I am traveling with? Email me at brucesmith AT rainierconnect.com to discuss exact times, place, and exchange cell phone numbers.

Reply, Grey Cop, if you can show me the physical location of the original money find, in person, I'm happy to go for a stroll with you there. I'm not interested in seeing a spot on a map or anything else - just the real location, in person, mud on our boots. The real deal. - Bruce

Don't know Bruce. She was the dark anti matter offsetting Marla at the last DBC symposium. Hard to see, mysterious and very attractive. Hope she covers it. 377 Whew, Dark Anti-Matter and Twisty Butt in Portland. Wow, I'm glad I was there. I wonder if Marla will show up at the symposium, Saturday? Ariel? I wonder if she'll dance with me???? BTW: Mark, what exactly is dark anti-matter? All I know is that I'm attracted to it, but I don't know if it's good for me. Ya know what I'm saying?

Reply: Do you think Mooshie will attend? That will be great! Even though she says she's married, she is clearly the best-dressed reporter I have ever seen in action, and so classy in a Weslyan-kind-of-way that she is a treat to hang around with, even if she generally thinks my opinions are crap.

Happy Anniversary everyone! 42nd - November 24.... I just got a call from Denise in Vancouver, WA who follows the case, and she said that she called Himms this evening and apparently she was the first Cooper fan to call him today. In years past he said he would be swamped by media calls on the 24th. Change is afoot, eh?

Reply: Georger - I never ignore your advice! Yes, I do admit that after careful consideration I often disregard much of what you tell me, but you are never ignored. How did you ever get that impression??? (smile)

Reply: Thanks, Georger. Yes, it is true. Geoffrey called me yesterday and invited me to sit on a panel during the symposium on Saturday at the WSHM. In true Geoffrey style, he talked with me as he also gave directions to a cabbie that was driving him to 3rd AVenue and Something St for unknown reasons. We discussed a bit what I would talk about, besides answering questions from the audience, so the panel seems to have a dual purpose. I suggested themes that I spend more time wiith most other researchers and writers, such as the red flags of bad police work flying over the feds's Norjak investigation, Tina, and what happened to Cossey. Geoff loved the FBI angle, so that is where I will probably go, besides sharing my opinions about what the audience wants to discuss. Geoff said he would call me Sunday night to chat further. I wonder what mode of transportation he will be using then, as the first time I spoke with Geoff many years ago he was on an Amtrak train to DC, and once he was on a NYC subway. That's my Geoffella.

With all due respect, if I bought 50 copies, I could give one to myself in honor of my own divorce! Reply: Well, then Parrot, let me give you a digital copy as a celebatory gesture to honor your divorce! This way, when the book comes out in print you will have an extra copy to give to your ex. BTW: She might enjoy the opening line of my book, which reads: "My ex didn't want me to write this book."

Reply: Happy to send you a digital copy. When it comes out in print you can always buy fifty copies and give them away as presents! Weddings! Birthdays! Divorces! Graduations!

Here here!!! Yes....I will be for all three....in addition to the Swiss Pub on Friday night... Reply: I'll be there, along with Meyer Louie. Plus, Robb Heady is flying in for the whole shin-dig. The Formans, too. I trust Sail will be there, as well. Others?

FIRST - I SLAMMED THE PHONE DOWN ON YOU. I CALLED ABOUT A SIMPLE CLARIFICATION ON SOMETHING AND WHAT DO YOU DO - YOU BADGER ME FOR MY SOURCE REGARDING HOW I FOUND TINA: "JO STATES THE TRUTH HERE OF YOUR RUDE TACTICS! JO DID not WAFFLE - SHE STOOD HER GOUND. SHE PROMISED TINA THE CONVERSATION WOULD BE PRIVATE AND PRIVATE IT HAS STAYED." "YOU WANTED A COPY OF THE EMAIL COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN ROBBIE AND MYSELF - AGAIN THAT IS CONFIDENTIAL & THE FBI SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF THE EMAIL COMMUNICATION. YOU ARE A SCUM BAG! I PROMISED CONFIDENTIALITY AND I HAVE HELD TO THAT." Bruce then STATES: JO AGAIN INSERTS WITH IN YOUR POST [RED]I DID LOT LEARN OF TINA'S CONTACT INFORMATION FROM SUSAN GILMORE SHE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. AS A JOURNALIST ALL OF HER COMMUNICATIONS TO PRINCIPLES IS CONFIDENTIAL. Bruce wrote: JO STATES: PRECISELY WHAT I SAID AND I NEVER CLAIMED I GOT ANY INFORMATION FROM SUSAN. JO INSERTS ONE FINAL TIME THAT SUSAN DID NOT PROVIDE ME WITH THE CONTACTS I ACQUIRED YOU DIDN'T EVEN MENTON THAT JO HAS ALL OF HER CONTACTS WITH SUSAN IN BLACK AND WHITE EMAILS.[/RED] I NEVER DEPENDED ON DISK - SO I PRINTED THEM. YOU ARE A FRICKING ENQUIRE TYPE PERSON - WHY DON'T YOU GET A JOB WITH THEM AND LEAVE THOSE OF US WHO ACTUAL DO FIND THING AND DO NOT BLABB THEM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY ALONE. YOU ARE THE SLIME OF THE EARTH AND YOU LIVE LIKE A FILTHY HOMELESS MAN. YOU GET YOUR JOLLIE BY TRYING TO TRICK THOSE WHO HAVE ACTUALLY DONE THE WORK AND MADE THE CONTACTS. IF THE PERSON REFUSES TO GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION YOU RIDICULE THEM! I WILL BE SPEAKING TO SUSAN THIS WEEK AND MAKE SURE SHE UNDERSTANDS WHO THE SCUM BAG IS. THE CRUDE AND FILTY WAY YOU APPROACHED TINA - MAKES YOU A STALKER. I WILL ALSO INFORM SUSAN OF THIS. Take your dirty stuff and put it somewhere else and not a thread were we try to sort the facts out. ALL you WRITE Is GARBAGE and LIES! Though U had tried to change and be a respectable writer, but some do NOT change they only get worse! Reply: Some love letters are not as sweet as others. Sigh.

Well, Jo Weber broke her silence and called me after three weeks of phone frigidity. And I broke my record of gentility in the face of rampant stinkiness when I hung up on her. Prior, after a few mintues of banter, I had asked why she won't confirm anything in her story, and she began arguing with me and dumping more narrative upon my weary, sweat-stained, aroma-filled shoulders. I gasped for breath and told her I wasn't going to argue with her, or debate, merely that I asked for corroboration and she either gave it or not. After hemming and hawing, she said she wouldn't tell me squat because she doesn't trust me, at which I said that I accept her decision. Then I wished her a pleasant evening and hung up. That's my story. I await Ms Weber's version.... BTW: She's back to saying that Robbie Clampett is the source of her knowing how to get in touch with Tina. Sigh.

Here's the latest on my quest to corroborate findings from Ms. Weber. In particular, I am eager to learn how Jo knew where to find Tina before other researchers and journalists. First we had Robbie Clampett, and the discussion of that source seems to have caused Jo to waffle a bit. Next, she inferred that she learned about Tina through dogged journalists working the story, such as Susan Gilmore of the Seattle Times and Margie Boule of the Portland Oregonian. I've just had a delightful phone conversation with Susan, and she denied being the source of Tina's whereabouts. Susan acknowledged that she had spoken with Jo "about a dozens times at least," years ago, and that Jo had sent her "volumes" of information, but Susan never had Tina's contact information nor did she ever share it. Also, thanks to Mark Bennett for providing the link to Susan via the Seattle Times. See, the DZ is more than a biker bar in cyber space. Good things happen here.

Reply: Ah, Ms. Weber, here you go again, making statements that can not be corroborated: 1. Besides saying that Duane confessed to being Dan/DB Cooper, which no one else heard nor did you have the presence of mind to corroborate with the nurse who ran in shortly afterwards, you now have: 2. The ticket, which disappeared and you have no evidence of, nor has anyone else seen it. 3. Plus, Bill Mitchell may or may not agree with your assessment that pix of Duane match Bill's memory of the skyjacker, which may be failing at the ripe old age of 62 or so. However, you are not sharing his assessment directly, and we only have to take your word again, despite: 4. Another researcher who has spoken to Mitchell and claims that Bill says he has never spoken to you and Duane ain't the guy. 5. Other than calling guys like me a liar and a stinky miscreant, what else you got, babes? Any corroboration? Any way for us to verify what you are saying? And let's leave JFK, RFK, MLK, David Ferie and NOLA out of the mix for a change, please.

Quote That is utterly impossible. The gret researcher RobertM Blevins says so. Reply: True Gret.

Reply: Some facts are in order, here, I believe. Bill Mitchell is a premier witness, as he sat in seat 18 B, with Tina in 18 D and Cooper in 18E. He was 20 years old. Tina was 22. "Too young," Ms Weber? Mitchell gives a very comprehensive overview of his experience on Flight 305 in a 17-page document currently available on the web site of the Washington State Historical Museum. Speaking of which, Sail and I are going back on the next Free Thursday, Nov. 21. I do not remember if Mitchell described Cooper as a "ragbag" or any other dismissive characterization. He did say however that Cooper has a fold of soft skin under his chin, a "turkey gobble," he called it. I had never heard that before. As for Cooper's size and physique, Mitchell said he was "way bigger" than the skyjacker, at 220 and 6'2". Mitchell also says that Cooper "was a geeky-looking guy." He also said that the skyjacker's hair "looked awful." In his WSHM interview, Mitchell did not comment on any suspect, but he does mention that he has seen dozens, if not hundreds of photographs. He says the FBI brought him pix 2-3 times a day immediately after the skyjacking for weeks. Then when he returned to college, the FO in Salem would come by regularly, once or twice a week for a year and always bring at least ten photos each time. This begs the question: How come Duane was not on anyone's radar screen until Jo introduced him in 1995? Nevertheless, I suppose Jo will now be looking for pix of Duane that make him look geeky with a messed-up hair, and a turkey gobble of skin under his chin. BTW: Mitchell also said the sun was shinning when he boarded Flight 305, but one should remember that the PNW frequently has "sun breaks" during rainy periods.