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And I have shown that you don't know what you are talking about. You think you know how the tunnel operates, but you are clearly wrong. Derek I'll rest by pointing out that by your own admission, you've never seen the effects of a power outage. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Swooping is never a right. One must land safely first, and if that means not pulling the "big dick" manuver you intended because of trafic, one must do just that. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Why is there a need to have an instructor in the tunnel if it's doesn't have a high risk? The potential for injury is very high, otherwise there would be no need for a progression in performance. I've never heard of such an incident at Perris. When did it happen? Tunnel incidents are very rarely reported. I know of a small incomplete list of serious injuries. Perris: Broken wrist on a belly fly exit, very experience tunnel flyer. Broken heel from a missed spot on a novice tunnel sitflyer. Broken vertibre from a missed spot on a belly flyer. Dislocated elbow from a head down collision with a wall, very experience tunnel flyer. Eloy: Two broken wrists from a head down collision with a wall, very experienced freeflyer, low time tunnel flyer. Colorado: Dislocated shoulder from an exit, first time non-skydiving tunnel flyer. Flyer did not disclose previous injury and dislocations. Unfortunately this was the incident that broke my perfect streak of never having an injury on my watch. It's the only one I've ever had as well. Aerokart (Paris France): Fatality from broken neck. If you don't believe it is a more dangerous environment I don't think you have that good a grasp on the situation. That's unfortunate as second to Chris and Brad I thought you were the most safety conscious of the original Colorado staff. Hopefully you have learned more from Scott and Brad H. The ego exhibited from you two directly affects the way you do your job. BTW, What happened at SVNH? ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

No, mainly I have tired of this argument. I have stated my opinion, as based off facts I have personally witnessed, or experienced. I have relayed practical knowledge I have experienced. In response both you and Jason have relayed anticdotal, and second hand evidence. Believe what you will, readers can believe what they wish, I really have no stake in this. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

I believe it to be more dangerous for most skydivers. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

With your immense wealth of experience, you sure have proven that you have an opinion. Now try to have a personality too. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

I miss the old crew.....some are here, but the rest are gone and it ain't the same.... Who do you wish would come back? ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

I have flown in PF, and yes you can learn from it. If you have the option a more modern tunnel might be more realistic, which is why I mentioned the L1 being near your area. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Eh, all black has always been in style, retro is "bounce and blend" or "neons" IMO. OK, ok....it's all black with a secret twist. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Yes, it's worth it. Not to far from PF is the L1 tunnel, and while I haven't flown it, I hear great things about it. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

It's on it's way. All black Infinity, Xaos27 91, R-Max 128. Down wit da sickness! ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

The main supply to all 5 drive units failed? Or one drive unit had a fault, and the control computer told the other 4 drives to go into shutdown? ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

I didn't see the lights go out. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

NBC called me in to do a screen test for it but I guess I ain't game show material. Oh darn. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Exactly what I was thinking. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Permision from the land owner, and if not a regular DZ a NOTAM is advisable. That's pretty much it baring airspace restrictions, and the problems of jumping a particular type of A/C ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Untill you said this I honestly thought you were not taking this personaly. Seems like the Colorado skydiver ego runs rampant even at the tunnel. Re-read my posts, you'll find you've made two mistakes. One, assuming I'm trying to convince your clients they are at risk. I've already stated the risks are minimal, though the fact you've bought into the "tunnel flying is safer than skydiving" myth is concerning. Two, assuming no one but you or your "sources" have any experinence. I have experienced power failures in 3 different wind tunnels. edit: spelling again ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Who assembled the canopy to the risers? Don't _Aerodyne canopies come with the control lines unfinished? ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

That's the point I was trying to make. People had the same reactions to what they were doing in their day, as some of those made in this thread.

Some somewhat related interesting food for thought here: http://www.atairaerospace.com/parachutes/heli-chute/ ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Another thought for those that might not have looked into the history of our sport. Anyone care to venture how AFF developed? ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

I believe there is some confusion when the words brake, or braking are being used here. There is no mechanincal braking system on any of the current SV tunnels. The "braking" system is electronic in nature, and serve to slow the fan/motor by reducing the power provided to it gradually. It is in that respect that an "e-stop" or "throttle chop" as signifcantly different in outcome than a power outage. Try the VFD shutoff and see how it performs. Better yet, kill the power to the VFD's themselves. In a worst case scenario (RATs open, 100mph, 6 foot belly fly) it will be near impossible to maintain altitude for more than 1 to 2 seconds, and that's with you knowing it's coming. What does Rusty say? ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

I've found nothing better than this for cold weather jumping. http://www.02xs.com/index.php?cPath=21_36&oscsid=43092d81bc2761929c0f67e3b8d6479d Heck I've used it for Skiing, riding a motorcycle and under a Drysuit when SCUBA diving once. I have the 2 piece option, which gives versitility. I originaly got it as a wind tunnel instructor, but still use it. Add a pair of Newman's (or similar), and a turtle fur neck warmer or baklava, plus my helmet, and I'm sweating on the ride to altitude when most are freezing. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Be careful about the electronic stuff, especialy the computer or anything else that has a cooling fan. Drywall dust and humidity combined will kill a computer in nothing flat! ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

27.6 seconds 1st try. I'm bored, what's next? ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.