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You pa ypackers, you get what you get. Nobody takes care of you like you Derek

The problem is the FAA tends to follow the letter of the law regardless if it follows common sense or not. The AAD install vs. assemble fiasco comes to mind. They just don't have the knowledge about rigging and are likely to simply read them and go strictly by them. I've heard of an Inspector going to a DZ and wanting to know who had silk reserves because he had read they had a 60-day instead of a 120-re-pack cycle and he wanted to see if he could catch someone out of date. Derek

I'm not worried about the harness failing before the reserve or the harness or reserve failing at all for that matter, just the legalities. Sounds like a good idea. Either the FAA do a better job or not at all. Derek

I'm guessing for a flag or ruck sack. Derek

To prevent hard/impossible cutaways, they should be cleaned every 30-days. Derek

Safety and Training Advisor. Derek

I think the answer to that question is a definate yes. Get the current CC course Instructors together (sounds like a good use of USPA funds) and have them put together a USPA course and an Instructor's course. The problem is getting people to take the course. Great courses are already available. How many jumpers that were flying canopies they weren't ready for and either died or were injured had taken one of these good courses? What is so wrong about required education and training for those pushing their CC limits? Isn't that the smart way to go? Derek

AC-105-2C 11e states: “The strength of the harness must always be equal to or greater than the maximum force generated by the canopy during certification tests. (1) In a case where the harness is certificated under TSO-C23b and the canopy under TSO C23c, the maximum generated force of the harness and container; i.e, Low-Speed Category (3,000 lbs.) and Standard Category (5,000 lbs.). In this instance, no additional marking on the container is necessary. (2) In the case where the canopy is certificated under the TSO-C23b and the harness under TSO-C23c, the strength of the harness must be equal to or greater than the certificated category force of the canopy” A PD-113R label shows the average peak force of 3639 pounds. The Mirage is TSO’d under TSO-C23b, Low-Speed Category (3,000lbs.). The way I am reading this is according to AC-105-2C, a PD-113R cannot be put into a Mirage. That also means any reserve TSO'd under TSO-C23d with an average peak force over 3,000 pounds can't go into a Mirage. What am I missing. Thoughts? Derek

I agree education is the way to go, but that doesn;t seem to be working because the jumpers that need it are not getting it. How do you suggest that get fixed? I agree a BSR is a last resort. I am open to any other ideas, but none have been forthcoming. A change is needed, that much I know. Derek

Ya think?. Derek

Simple. Just catch it, use a pen or something to open it's mouth, and check for fangs. Let us know what you find. Derek

Ah, that explains it. Thanks. Derek

This sounds like you are defending them: Seems like you are still defending them, telling people to leave them alone. Why do you defend them when you know what they are doing is illegal? Derek

So no BSR's then? (which is what I meant) Do you thin an AAF Level 1 student is equipped to decide if they should jump with an AAD or not? Derek

I don't think anarchy is the way to go. Derek

http://www.flightsimaviation.com/data/FARS/part_21.html Is Part 21, but I can’t find TSO C23b in it. Poynter’s Vol I, first edition has the same paragraph except is says Part 37.133 (TSO C23b). I haven’t ever found anything about TSO C23b except NAS 804. Part 37.133 now states: “§37.133 Subscription service. (a) This part does not prohibit the use of subscription service by public entities as part of a complementary paratransit system, subject to the limitations in this section. (b) Subscription service may not absorb more than fifty percent of the number of trips available at a given time of day, unless there is non-subscription capacity. (c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this part, the entity may establish waiting lists or other capacity constraints and trip purpose restrictions or priorities for participation in the subscription service only.” AS8015B can be purchased from the Automotive Society of Engineers. NAS 804 and AS8015A are in Poynters, vol I. Derek

I'm sure it will which is why it isn't fair to say that it isn't fair to say it isn't as strong as a harness TSO'd under a different TSO. It may be stronger than a harness TSO'd under TSO C23d. It would be cool if someone pull tested to destruction every harness in current production and posted the numbers. Derek

??? NAS 804 contains the requirements for TSO C23b. Where did you find the 25 FPS info? NAS 804 doesn't say anything about time, but it does say the drops will be made from 500 feet. AS8015A says the canopy must be fully open within 3 seconds from time of pack release. AS8015B states 3 seconds and 300 feet max unless it is over 250 pounds, then it allows an extra .01 seconds for every pound over 250 and 1 extra foot of opening alititude for every pound over 250. Derek

No, I am saying that it is stronger than the TSO would suggest. It could be stronger than a harness that is TSO under TSO C23d for all I know. I'm saying that you can't say that a harness TSO'd under C23b isn't as strong as one TSO'd under C23c or d. Same for reserve canopies. Derek

So you are saying do nothing. Youa re OK with people jumping canopies they aren't ready for and pounding in? Derek

No, USPA R You, not me. I'm not inclined to try and convince anyone to run for the BOD. I'll leave that for USPA members that care. I'm sorry if you think trying to make a difference and reduce preventable injuries and fatalities from landings is 'whining'. That sounds heartless and cold to me. Don't you care? And some of you will be injured or killed because they are flying canopies they are not ready for and have not recieved the training and education they need to fly safely. Derek

The information and schools are out there. The problem is the jumper with 200 jumps flying a canopy at 1.8:1 that thinks he can handle it and doesn't need the training. That is the person that needs it. how do suggest they actually get it? How do suggest to keep people from flying canopies they obviously are not ready for? Derek

That is only for low speed catagory. Standard catagory has no weight/speed limits. Low speed has a 150-mph speed limit with no weight limit. Vectors are standard catagory. Derek

What Skyride is doing is illegal and wrong. Why do you continue to defend them? Derek

No real concerns. I have heard people say one harness or another was stronger because of it's TSO. I don't think the strangth of harnesses is an issue. I would like to see independant testing of reserve strengths though. Right, but it doesn't tell you how strong the harness actually is. You have to take it to destruction. Hmm. I think the desire to build quality products combined with liability make for very safe harnesses. The TSO process still isn't very good, imo. Interesting. Any more info like that? Derek