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I am aware of what the issue we are discussing is. I am making a point. Do you accept 90/day as the price for driving your car? It is a simple yes or no question. Derek V

John- I answered your questions. My question is very simple. Do you want to discuss the issue or not? Derek V

Agreed. I think it is a balance between restrictions and limitations and the price to be paid. I believe we are at a good balance point and increased restrictions will have to be large for small returns. Derek V

As the price for what? I need more information. For the price of gun ownership? I haven't thought about it. What is the current rate? For the price of what? I need more information. Derek V

You miss my point. Their is a price to be paid. You do not want to admit that you are willing to pay that price for driving your car. This is the real gun/anti-gun argument. This is what it boils down to, but people don't want to discuss it in these terms. We pay a price for being able to drive our cars. We pay a price for gun ownership. That is what all the arguments boil down to, "Is it worth the price?". Some people are not willing to pay 30/day for gun ownership, most are. Almost everyone is willing to pay 90/day for driving. We pay a price for swimming pools, alcohol, cigarettes, flying, skydiving, skiing, everything. and, generally, society finds the price acceptable. Derek V

I answered your questions, without any quibbling. I asked you a simple question, "Do you accept 90 deaths/day as the price to drive your car?". A simple yes or no will do. Derek V

Do you drive a car? Derek V

How many deaths per day are acceptable to you to then? Derek V

It is a simple question. Do you accept 90 deaths/day as the price to drive your car? Derek V

Do you accept 90 deaths/day as the price to drive your car? Derek V

Yes. I would seriously doubt it. Do you accept 90 deaths/day as the price to drive your car? Derek V

My point, which you missed, is why do you accept 90/day as the price for driving our cars around, but not 30/day for the price of gun ownership? Derek V

And the 90 per day that die in automobiles per day. Derek V

Agreed. Derek V

Not exactly a bell curve. 75% of DZ's can't have better than average maintainence. As several people pointed out, skydivers don't really have any way to determine how well the aircraft are being maintained. I was an Apache attack helicopter crew chief for 6 years and I can't tell if the aircraft is being maintained according to the FAR's. Derek V

Simple poll. Is your home DZ better than the average, average, or below average when it come to maintaining their jump aircraft. Derek V

I started with an existing design and made some improvements. It will loosen tension a little at a time, built in ruler, recess for size 0 grommet, anodizing, and cutout for temp pin. Derek V

Another Option. Derek V

On November 26, 2014, I shipped my (2) Cypres2's for their 4- year maintenance, battery replacement, and firmware updates. On the same day, I sent in my Vigil 2 for the same services, a maintenance check, battery replacement and firmware update. Days service required (including shipping both ways): Cypres2: 34 days door to door. (26 November, 2014 - 29 December, 2014) Vigil2: 17 days door to door. (26 November, 2014 - 12 December, 2014) Cost: Cypres2: $351.25 for 2 units ($160.00 for service X 2, $13.25 for shipping, $18.00 for insurance or $191.25 for one unit) Vigil2: $76.00 ($60.00 for service, $16.00 for shipping) Services requested: Cypres2: New battery & full maintenance. Vigil2: New battery & full maintenance. Additional maintenance performed/required on unit: Cypres2: Firmware update (SB C2 0113 Update) Vigil2: Firmware update (V6.01) & new controller (V2.62). Customer service experience: Cypres-USA (SSK): No issues, smooth process. AAD (Vigil USA): Very quick turn around, especially since the unit must go to Belgium for maintenance checks. I wasn’t charged the 125 Euros for the maintenance, only $60.00 for battery and $16.00 for shipping. Notes for Vigil: The vigil firmware was updated to V6.01) so that it shuts off after 14 hours, no matter what and arms at 1000 feet above ground zero instead of 150 feet above ground zero. Brussels, March 2013 Offer for Maintenance on Vigil II Civil For those countries that require a scheduled maintenance, we offer the following: Description of a 4 year check-up 1) Check of the original warranty Q.C. Hologram 2) Disassembling VIGIL 3) Control and Test of the Cutter Unit 4) Control and Test of the Control Unit 5) Replacement of the Battery Pack 6) Replacement of the rubber sealing ring 7) Control and Test of the Pulses Plus Element (integrated in point 10) 8) Calibration of the Pressure Sensor in the tolerance of ± 1,5 mbar 9) Upgrade of the mainboard software to the newest version available.; 10) Final operational Test (7 jumps simulation in pressure chamber Go & NoGo) 11) Assembling all vigil subparts 12) Check-Up and Test of the complete assembly 13) Analyse report 14) Service card with new silver Hologram(s) Remark: The Vigil doesn’t need a scheduled maintenance but can be done on request for Vigil II civil 125,-€ (Basic net price) Condition: replacement of parts out of warranty, broken or damaged are not included Price: exclusive transport and taxes
Delivery time: ± 3 weeks from reception
Validity: 12 months Payment: before shipping back based on the repair & maintenance quotation Extra info: The Vigil (cutter, pulses plus, electronic) has a life expectancy of 20 years from original date of manufacture. The battery has a minimum life expectancy of 5 years or 2000 jumps but must be replaced after 10 years from its date of manufacture. Notes for Cypres: SB C2 0113 no longer applies to these units. In the box with the units was a small 2-page card, pages 21-1 through 21-4 of the Cypres2 user manual. It is dated January 2013. This manual insert covers: The Speed Cypres activation speed has been changed from 43 m/p/s to 46 m/p/s. [96.19 MPH and 102.9 mph respectively] User selectable activation altitude. [They recommend having a functional open canopy at least 1,000 feet above the activation altitude.] This link explains what SSK does for a maintenance check on a Cypres; http://www.cypres-usa.com/english_maintenance.pdf

I haven't recieved the Cypres's back yet. Derek V

UPDATE-Recieved Vigil back- On November 26, 2014, I shipped my (2) Cypres2's for their 4- year maintenance, battery replacement, and firmware updates. On the same day, I sent in my Vigil 2 for the same services, a maintenance check, battery replacement and firmware update. I will post the results of both. Days service required (including shipping both ways)- Cypres2: 26 November, 2014 - Vigil2: 17 Days door to door. 26 November, 2014 - 12 December, 2014 Cost- Cypres2: $ Vigil2: $76.00 Services completed- Cypres2: Vigil2: New battery & full maintenance. Additional maintenance performed/required on unit- Cypres2: Vigil2: Firmware update (V6.01) & new controller (V2.62). Customer service experience- Cypres-USA (SSK): AAD (Vigil USA): Very quick turn around, especially since the unit must go to Belgium for maintenance checks. I wasn’t charged the 125 Euros for the maintenance, only $60.00 for battery and $16.00 for shipping. Notes for Vigil: The vigil firmware was updated to V6.01) so that it shuts off after 14 hours, no matter what and arms at 1000 feet above ground zero instead of 150 feet above ground zero. Brussels, March 2013 Offer for Maintenance on Vigil II Civil For those countries that require a scheduled maintenance, we offer the following: Description of a 4 year check-up . 1) Check of the original warranty Q.C. Hologram 
 . 2) Disassembling VIGIL 
 . 3) Control and Test of the Cutter Unit 
 . 4) Control and Test of the Control Unit 
 . 5) Replacement of the Battery Pack 
 . 6) Replacement of the rubber sealing ring 
 . 7) Control and Test of the Pulses Plus Element (integrated in point 10) 
 . 8) Calibration of the Pressure Sensor in the tolerance of ± 1,5 mbar 
 . 9) Upgrade of the mainboard software to the newest version available. 
 10) Final operational Test (7 jumps simulation in pressure chamber Go & NoGo) 11) Assembling all vigil subparts
12) Check-Up and Test of the complete assembly
13) Analyse report
14) Service card with new silver Hologram(s) Remark: The Vigil doesn’t need a scheduled maintenance but can be done on request for Vigil II civil 125,-€ (Basic net price) Condition: replacement of parts out of warranty, broken or damaged are not included Price: exclusive transport and taxes
Delivery time: ± 3 weeks from reception
Validity: 12 months Payment: before shipping back based on the repair & maintenance quotation Extra info: The Vigil (cutter, pulses plus, electronic) has a life expectancy of 20 years from original date of manufacture. The battery has a minimum life expectancy of 5 years or 2000 jumps but must be replaced after 10 years from its date of manufacture. Notes for Cypres:

I recently sent my (2) Cypres2's for their 4- year maintenance, battery replacement, and firmware updates. On the same day, I sent in my Vigil 2 for the same services, a maintenance check, battery replacement and firmware update. I will post the results of both. Days service required (including shipping both ways)- Cypres2: Vigil2: Cost- Cypres2: $ Vigil2: $ Services completed- Cypres2: Vigil2: Additional maintenance performed on unit- Cypres2: Vigil2: Customer service experience- Cypres-USA (SSK): AAD (Vigil USA): What else? Derek V

How would the mechanics of this actually work? Fingerprint during registration? Then the state police would need have the staffing and equipment (I have no idea what it takes) to enter the finger prints into the system and look for matches? How long does that take? Would the state police then go looking for people on the bridge at that point? How long would it take from the finger printing process until they could then start looking for the individual? How would they find them in the crowd? Derek V

I think is the root of the confusion of the issue of compatibility. The reserve is "handling" 3000+ clubs, it is producing 3000+ lbs of force. Derek V

I agree, it does not matter which is strongest. That is not what I am saying. It does matter if the reserve is producing more force during deployment than the harness can handle. For example' The PD-113R produced an average of 3,639 lbs of force during drop tests, without failing. (The 1,000-lb object in my analogy). this is the force the canopy produced. The max weight is 220 lbs and the max speed is 150-mph. The Mirage was TSO'd under C23b, low speed which required demonstrating that it can handle at least 3,000 lbs of force from the reserve. (the 500-lb sling in my analogy). The PD-113R produced more force during drops tests than the Mirage harness was demonstrated to handle during drop tests. This sentance from AC-105-2E is very important; "(3) For a single-harness parachute system, the strength of the harness must always be equal to or greater than the maximum force generated by the canopy during certification tests." Let me try it a different way; If you were going to lift an object that weight 3,639 lbs, how strong would the lifting sling need to be so that it didn't break when you lifted the load? Derek V