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Another source. http://parts.singerco.com/IPsvcManuals/20U.pdf And if you need parts. http://www.hendersonsewing.com/manual.asp I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

There's a comment buried in the video thread that the pilot was told to drop them over the mountains for mountain swooping. So not bad spotting but bad jumping. Nobody looked down out the door to see where they were. I took my rig on a business trip to Kundl Austria and made a couple of jumps at skydive Tyrol in the Inn Valley. Coming from the midwest and RARELY ever jumping somewhere there were even hills I was a little spooked. I asked about spotting with the valley so narrow, about a mile, and they said jump run was ALWAYS up the valley. Even though I was very experienced looking down and seeing an autobahn, a river, high tension powerlines, and another highway in that narrow valley was interesting. Also watching the surrounding mountains wrap up around you before you open was fun. We just don't get to do that in Michigan. When things wrap up around us it's trees and it's not a good day. (Been there) I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

The reserve was cool too -- one of those nice looking multi-colour Ravens like they used to build, that people might not at first recognize as a reserve. Pretty rare to see one of the old versions with the bikini slider. That video could almost use a thread of its own. I had to stop several people, or at least try to stop them, from buying matching main and reserves. They would ask why. I'd offer, "What if a canopy opens unexpectedly, malfunctions, and you then pull your cutaway handle. And it happens to be your reserve that opened but you couldn't tell the difference? You just detached your last potentially good canopy." They would go . I don't see original ravens with bikini sliders because I choose not to pack them anymore. The bikini sliders were an "optional" refit but I wouldn't pack an original Raven without one. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Since my inspector sent it to me I did know it was intended as guidance for inspectors. Do you really think who ever authored it had in their mind opening the container and resealing for other maintenance? We can leave AAD maintenance out of it and call it general minor maintenance. Opening a rig to shorten a loop that has slipped would involve many of the same functions. So, your keying on the word packing because you believe that if the seal is broken it should be completely reinspected and packed. I take no issue with that as your personal position. I won't open someone elses work and put my seal on it without doing that also. In the notice, section 4b says "When packing the parachute, the parachute rigger is performing maintenance on a Technical Standard Order (TSO) product that falls under 14 CFR part 43....." This paragraph is quoting the authority by which the rest of the regs and manufacturers instructions apply to these activities. I don't take this as meaning only packing is allowed. Again, last I knew in other situations the weren't calling a parachute an appliance but we know they have authority over parachutes. The next occurrence of "packing" in the notice is 4c which is just a restatement of Title 14 CFR part 65, § 65.133. Nothing new here. That's the only two times "packing" occurs in the document. The guidance to ASI's "...ASIs should understand that § 65.133 is interpreted as meaning that the certificated parachute rigger must seal the parachute with a lead-type seal. Paper seals are not authorized to be used by certificated parachute riggers. ...." is opining that because only a lead seal is shown in the PRH (for now) that only a lead seal is allowed under 65.133. But, 4d contains the standard caveat "When the manufacturer has not provided concise guidance, the Administrator provides guidance in FAA-H-8083-17, Parachute Rigger Handbook, as an acceptable method of sealing the parachute." (emphasis added) So, nothing new here over the Carol Giles letter to PIA rigging committee to me. It's just making the ASI's aware of this interpretation. And eliminating plastic seals by quoting lead so much. As to whether a rig should be opened and resealed by another rigger, I don't believe it should be. Whether the regs say that or not is debatable. (as shown above) As to whether a rigger should open and close a rig they packed without completely repacking, I believe that's their choice. They have all of the responsibility for their own work. I don't see anything in the regs that prevents it. And the lawyers called me too. (no I'm not either) You coming to Daytona Beach next month? I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

The arrangement for the diapered canopy may have been to offset the bulk in the corner and make the PC sit flat. Couldn't find that manual. Packing it from side to side probably was doing the jumper a favor. Considering that fitting a 24' flat in an original SST, or a just like today the largest round that would fit in a Racer made them tough to get in and look good. Pretty much had to do most buy the manual. Of course the first Northern lite manual I have doesn't have ANY drawings in it. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

The REAL genesis of the night jump requirement! I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

I used to check this 16mm film and a projector out of the public library in the early 80's. Used in a couple of speeches as well as just to watch at home. During the external load exit at 3:18 notice how much bigger the fields are when they exit from when they climb out. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

And I have another manufacturer that is considering putting a flexible seal (I've stopped saying paper because paper really isn't appropriate) in their manual. And as I said the ones that are plastic film in nature can take an impression from a seal press with a rubber backing in the press when used. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Pre-internet it was harder to know what was 'acceptable' to other riggers unless you saw it in person. I'm trying to figure out what containers your talking about? SST/Racers needed to go by the manual to get them in appropriately. Same thing with a Javelin. I followed the manual. IF your talking about skydiving rigs I'd guess side to side when the manual said something else was done my someone who didn't know better. All of the internal pilot chute rigs I'd follow the manual also, usually back and forth. Northern lites, Wonderhogs, NAA condor, and a few odd balls were about all I saw. Racer's and Javelins by the manual U shaped. If your referring to pilot rigs I followed the manual but some, like the softie manual, had various versions for various sizes and types. And at various times there was FTF discussion that said it really didn't matter. But almost always went by the appropriate manual. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Yep, means that after AAD maintenance you don't have to seal it! We can all read it as we would like. Seriously, this doesn't have anything to do with the AAD maintenance resealing issue. It's saying when a seal is needed it has to be lead. It ignores the fact that a press can impress a symbol on a flexible, printable plastic seal as well as a plastic round seal that mimics a lead seal. Ted Strong, shortly before he died, was very happy to see the plastic seal that works as I demonstrated at the last PIA meeting. He needed it for rigs packed at the factory for shipment to Europe. Ted was also going home to use the plastic seal and perhaps put the flexible seal in his manuals. The interpretation that I had from Carol Giles simply said that unless in a manual the PRH as written should be followed. This FAA notice also is in conflict with a long standing interpretation that had been applied to parachutes but that I haven't seen in writing. The reason, or one reason, that the FAA had been refusing to issue Airworthiness Directives on parachutes was that they were NOT "an aircraft, engine, propeller, or appliance" and thus were not eligible for an AD. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Rob, I've watched you use your strap but I've never been able to make it work. Just have never figured out what muscles to use where. I've had Allen's version for many years. It works very well, is well executed and fairly compact. Allows you to use both hands to get pin through loop and or ease up on tension as you put pin in. Other versions seem less elegant and a little clunky. Don't know if Allen still has any for sale. Be ready for sticker shock. Silver Parachute Sales and Service. I also have one of Winks bars with the 3/8''s ratchet hole in the end. Works okay but still like Allen's. BUT you can tear a rig apart with any of these, especially ones like Allen's. I don't let student riggers use it until they've gotten a feel for the rigs and tension. At the 1999 (or 2001) symposium the Thai air force had a booth showing a closing device. All of their military riggers were women, and small Thai women, and they had made very large ratcheting leverage device. It had four 'feet' that curved in to the grommet and the it seems the thing was a foot tall. I walked by and showed them Allen's device, which was much more compact and did the same thing and you could see all their faces drop and their shoulders slump. I've also seen and tried a tool made using a quick clamp wood working clamp. Still find Allen's the best, especially for us old farts getting arthritis in our hands. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Or send a PM to riggermick on dropzone.com. He likely made what your looking at. At the very least he sold it. Will be more than happy to help. Right now I'm too lazy to walk down and look at my two Reflex's. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Para-Flite had no life limits. Basically, for personal skydiving gear built in the US, no companies have had life limits listed. While I like John Sherman's viewpoint, it is a very debatable point. If someone brings gear to a US rigger and the latest manual (not the original manual) says that that pilot rig has a 20 year life, many riggers are going to follow what the manufacturer says. And many FAA inspectors will give the same opinion. The latest manual, if it says it superceeds the previous manual, must be followed. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Jerry, Aside from owing you a phone call or two, and more, aren't you the one that told me no way in hell did you need a class 7? Going for more power here but not in a hot knife huh? Hopefully you've already moved it and sense you posting have survived. I just about didn't survive putting my on the table by myself when I moved it. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

No, to my knowledge none of the strong lopo's came with a line release. They didn't need one since they had drive vents in the back. What you are probably seeing is the remains of a steering system. Steering lines were attached to the appropriate suspension line a few feet above the links. This allowed steering lines and toggles to be mounted on the various risers. Particularly needed on a seat rig. I think twice about the using the lopo lite. It has a max suspended weight of 175lbs and opening speed of 130kts. It didn't hang around too long. If your sure the wearers are going to weigh less than 140 lbs or so maybe. But I wouldn't count on it for a pilot rig. An older manual that has the specs can be found here. http://www.ukskydiver.co.uk/cms/index.php?/files/file/1751-paracush96pdf/ I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

I don't use tube stoes (stows) but by the time you get to the fourth stow (or even third stow) your past the cascades in your lines. You now are stowing HALF the number (bulk) of lines and probably will need the smaller stow (or rubber band) to hold them tight. I usually only use large rubber bands for the first two locking stows and then go to small bands. But I don't make a big deal out of it. I use rubber bands unless required by a manual to use tube stoes. There is one pilot rig manual that requires tube stoes for the locking stows on a diaper. BTW it's not the companies fault their standard pack doesn't include what you want. Read the fine print. And as said before you need to use all FOUR locking stows. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

If the local ACE store doesn't carry it they can order the food grade silicon. It doesn't contain any petroleum distillates CRC Industrial Food Grade Silicone. No. 03040 Green 10 oz can will last a long time. A little on a paper towel or rag will do both cables. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

The software and products are proprietary. Only the manufacturers (for the most part) can analyze their products. There is no regulation, testing standards, performance standards (in the US) or standardization of recorded data. Who else do you want to analyze the AAD's? All of the comments about its only a tool reflects that there is none of the above items. The other issue was the data can say if it fired. Not if the loop was cut or the reserve was extracted. I think your looking for stuff that isn't possible now. Until and unless AAD's (as well as skydiving in general) is regulated in the large markets to the level of Airline transport independent investigation is not reasonable. And no PIA isn't in a position to try to take on this role. PIA IS the manufacturers and doesn't have the resources to become an investigative body. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Not only did they not placard them but back when they first came out they didn't tell anyone in their literature that their CRW models shouldn't be taken to terminal. Four local guys bought the CRW versions for doing demos and one got hurt taking them to terminal. Aerodyne said they should have known even though nowhere in their literature or order forms did they say not to take them to terminal. The guys sent them back. It isn't necessarily obvious that they are non-terminal CRW canopies. Especially since they have the hybrid that is CRW modified but terminal capable. I take it this was a used canopy. If it was older it doesn't surprise me. I don't have any recent experience with they to know if they still label them the same. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Jerry, That's on their front. Paul, Because they want to cram the 'biggest' reserve they can, that is really too small for them, in the smallest container they can. Never mind whether it will come out of there when they need it, let alone making their rigger mad. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

But, I will/should always have the right to change parties. There may be a deadline like registration but I've routinely participated in the primary of choice over the years hear in MI. Only one year did anybody know what I picked. Usually you picked which part of the ballot you wanted to use in the voting booth. This year in MI you have to fill out a form or some statement which you want. That info will be available a number of days after the primary (90 or so) and for 2 or 3 years. Doesn't stop me from voting in the election and then telling all the fundraising calls I'm a life long independent. If parties want complete control then they should hold and pay for their own private elections not using public resources or voter registration files. As a City Councilman I know what elections cost. Hmm, are caucuses publicly funded? My impression is no but I don't know. Maybe we need to go to that. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

I actually like mine. Hmm but I think I'd heard Jerry Vale's version. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3sV7H8BmcE Jerry Vale http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dUPWBmSXvk But everybody and their brother covered it. Songfacts.com I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Ah youth, Pack cycle used to be 60 days, AND STILL IS, for anything made with natural fibers. From Part 105 I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

You ought to pull the velcro too. We used to have a lot of jump masters that would run their fingers up and down the velcro of ripcord pockets and cutaway handles every time they put gear on a student. The velcro became super stuck, hook and loop more intertwined by repeated pressure than would be normal. It got a lot harder to pull some of the handles. And yes you should flex the risers at the three rings once a month. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

There are lots of jumpers that don't know how to reassemble their 3 rings if they did pull the cables to clean and lube them. And lots of jumpers that don't have a rigger look at their rig for a couple of years. Longest I know someone pencil packed one of my pack jobs was 2 1/2 years. This guy didn't take care of his gear at all. Came down, threw it in the dirt and didn't much care what happened to it. I repacked it just because I wanted to see what it looked like. Looked like I'd packed it the day before. Oh, a lot of these guys don't look at it themselves either. Hell I know one guy that used to use his rig as a ramp to jump the bonfire with his bicycle. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE