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Hmmm...I don't know...here's one from a previous post of mine. Maybe that's reliable evidence for you. Defense attorney James Culleton brought up the ticklish fact that Guzman was twice convicted of felonies within seven years - the second for selling crack within 1,000 feet of an elementary school. Ricco reminded Guzman of his gunpoint-robbery conviction Read full article Don't say no to drugs, say no thank you!

Hey man, do whatever you want to do. I wasn't giving you a directive or advice. I'm just going by forum guidelines, that's all. I never claimed to have any authority over you. Why are you so defensive? Let it roll of the shoulders mate, that's all. And I do have a name it's been on my profile. Go cry to the mods if you don't see it. Tony, no one deserves to die. No one in this world has a right to take away your life. I was not there that night. I'm not an LEO. I'm not a criminal. I'm not a judge. Basically, I can not relate to anyone in that situation. As an american, I put my trust in the justice system. My personal feelings will not change the world and they will definitely not change the judicial system whether I agree with the verdict or not. The law is the law and the prosecutors could not prove that the cops broke any law. The judge proved that the witnesses were not credible. The judge is an authority in the judicial system. Therefore, I respect his decision. Don't say no to drugs, say no thank you!

Aroused suspicion? They tried to mow them down with a car? That's not suspicious, that blatantly trying to take someone's life away. Police fired at the car to eliminate a threat. Whoa easy there. No need to be vulgar. Face it, we live in a country full of laws to keep us at bay. The courts couldn't prove that the cops actions were reckless. The courts proved that the witnesses were not credible. Take it up with judge cooperman if you're so unhappy with the verdict. Why is it so hard to trust the justice system? Whoa. What the heck did you have to eat today? Why are you veering off the subject at hand? You tend to do this a lot. Your profile only reads that you are a program manager and you have 900 jumps and you hold a d license. It also list various other details about your equipment and your experience. Why would I be concerned about that stuff anyway? My profile has all the information I able to fill out. It has my first name, last name, city and state where I live in. I can't fill out anything else but 3 jumps. I am a boyie boy not a girlie girl. I'm not agitated. You are free to discuss whatever you want to discuss. I just don't agree with the way you had to pull your number of jumps, your license and how long you've been jumping to this discussion. Are you trying to intimidate me? Honestly, entertain us...how did cops ever do you wrong? Now you're saying that I better get good instruction if I want to continue in this sport. Rather than telling me to hang it up because I'm not calm, cool and collective? Now that is the way a seasoned veteran should preach instead of prejudging and telling someone that this sport is not for them. I am truly sorry for the loss of your friends. However, we all take risks every time we step out the door. What I learned about skydiving is that you take calculated risks. You train over and over again so it's embedded in your head. There are no guarantees in life. From what I heard, you can be right under your parachute and someone can fall right on top of it and on you or your parachute can get blown by the wind and deflate causing you to crash to the ground. Being calm, cool and collective can't help you there. god forbid that happens to you. I apologize but your profile does not indicate that you are a miss. However, my first name does indicate that I am a boyie boy. Don't say no to drugs, say no thank you!

Make your plea with the judge n23x because that's what he based their credibility on. Again, as per my previous posts, the judge cooperman even acknowledged that the police were not reckless in firing 50 shots to eliminate the threat. Cry out to him. You're too quick to throw your 2 cents in yet you won't take a stand with the people to ensure that this won't happen again. Why don't you rally with al sharpton? Don't say no to drugs, say no thank you!

This was so less intelligent that this was brought up in their court trial. Judgmental? On who's part? Obviously, judge cooperman thought that their past criminal record was enough to prove that those witnesses were not credible. We are human, Aprilcat. There are a few people out there that will not prejudge people by their tainted history and what not. The majority of people in the world will judge others by what they hear in the media, what they hear from other people, etc. There are a few that will actually want to hear both sides of the story. What reason would the cops have to even look your way? sean bell, trent benefield and joseph guzman were very well known criminals in that part of town. Yes, that had a history and yes it was known by most people in that area, especially cops. And it was not 20 years ago. Defense attorney James Culleton brought up the ticklish fact that Guzman was twice convicted of felonies within seven years - the second for selling crack within 1,000 feet of an elementary school. Ricco reminded Guzman of his gunpoint-robbery conviction Read full article Don't say no to drugs, say no thank you!

Wow, that's pretty intelligent of you to add that. Thank you. We are all enlightened by such words of wisdom. I bet you and most of the other cop haters here, whom become victims of a crime(s), will be one of the first people to call the cops. Don't say no to drugs, say no thank you!

Tony, if you're referring to other cops and not the cops that we are discussing in this subject, why don't you start another thread? Is it too hard for you start one on your own do you feel that it's necessary to contribute nonconstructive posts to this thread? Don't say no to drugs, say no thank you!

Is that your opinion or is that a fact? What's the basis on which you stated that there are those cops that are loose cannons? Are you referring to this subject regarding sean bell or are you just throwing it out there? Don't say no to drugs, say no thank you!

Really? And your source of information is from where? Please, do tell. Don't say no to drugs, say no thank you!

That statement was made by 2 known felons with serious criminal records regarding police officers not identifying themselves. I guess you chose to believe their side of the story. My post# 27 of 48: Unarmed black man. Unarmed GROOM etc .. These catch phrases have been regurgitated by the liberal media over and over. I cordially invite ANY reporter to stand in front of my vehicle as I run them over, and after they wake from their coma, I challenge them to report that I was not "ARMED" with a vehicle, and using it unlawfully, when I intentionally ran them down. If I take a pen from my pocket, and jam it into your eye and blind you. I am guilty of assault. I was armed with a pen. An object that is not traditionally viewed as a weapon, can in fact, by virtue of the manner in which it is used BE a weapon. Most assuredly, Sean Bell was armed that night. Armed with a vehicle. And most likely intoxicated, which makes that vehicle a weapon even moreso. When a NYC Police Officer who was intox killed a family of four, he was quickly demonized by the liberal, cop hating media, because he used his vehicle as a weapon. Amazing. A vehicle in the hands of a white cop is a weapon. In the hands of a young black male, it is not. The double standard is alive and well in media circles. Journalistic integrity has gone the way of the Do-Do bird. My post# 31 of 48: They say that "50 shots is murder" - but with three officers involved it sounds to me like, between the three of them, each emptied his magazine - with one or more reloading and firing several more shots. In addition, they fail to account for the fact that they were shooting at night and that officers are trained to keep shooting until the threat is eliminated. In this case, the threat was a moving vehicle. Although it may have been sloppy police work, 50 handgun rounds at a moving vehicle is not, in my opinion, overkill. Read full article You're not the first poster to be a combat expert. Nice arm chair quarterbacking. Thanks for your opinion. Unfortunately, The American Judicial System and LEOs do not share your point of view nor did the Judicial System find the cops use of deadly force excessive. My post # 32 of 48: In the Queens shooting, even if the men in the car were unarmed, police had reason to be worried about the car, careening back and forth, according to Michael Palladino, Detectives' Endowment Association. "I do not think the amount of shots were excessive because there was deadly physical force used against our detectives and the detectives used deadly physical force back. They continued to fire until the threat against them ceased, " he has said. As in Queens, a police officer can fear death - even if the suspect does not have a gun. In the death of Gidone Busch, a jury agreed that the police had reason to fear - and fire 13 times at - the mentally ill man wielding a hammer. Read full article Don't say no to drugs, say no thank you!

This does not sound like you at all. You are seriously putting yourself in the category of those 3 men with criminal records?!!! Look at what blogger in a hip hop community forum said about these 3 fine young gentlemen that you put yourself in the same category with: but Sean Bell and everyone in the car all had real criminal records (I'm not talking about jaywalking) and shit like this makes it seem like profiling only happens to "bad" black people. When Trent Benefield is the face of your tragedy it makes it harder to unify your cry for racial justice. Read full blog And this was coming from another black person. You seriously need to wake up and realize that these 3 criminals are not in your category, unless however, you also go to unlawful locations, have prior criminal records for drugs and gun possession, now do you? I think not. You do realize that possession of enough drugs to distribute to the public usually means selling to young children, right? Mr. Liberal, you should realize that 2 of these criminals do not belong on the street where they can cause harm to other people. It's unfortunate that the other criminal was shot dead. Nonetheless, it's one less dangerous criminal off the street. Don't say no to drugs, say no thank you!

Let me take a page out of your judgmental book here for a bit.... 3 hardcore criminals went into a well known illegal location for drugs, prostitution and guns were exercising their right to go into such a bonafide premises. It's such a free country that they can go into such an illegal location to be free and disregard what the law says about drugs and prostitution, right? Such fine and upstanding citizens they are/were. 3 different cops that were in 3 different places at the same time. Therefore, you are saying that they all had the same story, which is how their stories synced up, right? You really need to get your facts straight. If you did, you would realize that one cop was outside approaching the suspects getting into their car, another cop was inside an undercover cop car and another cop was in a undercover police minivan that was struck by sean bell's car. Gee, I can see how their stories synced up because they were obviously the same stories. The fact is 3 different cops, 3 different stories. One started shooting in fear for his life of being mowed down and being fired upon and the other two followed suit to eliminate the threat. There you go again veering away from the subject at hand. Nonetheless, I will entertain you. So Mr. D license, Mr. 900 jump wonder and Mr. skydiving since 1972, you're basically saying that with proper repetitive training from qualified instructors, regarding emergency procedures, that this sport is not for me? Basically, you are saying everyone that has panicked in situations but survived from cutaways was by sheer stupid luck? Those that did handle themselves well during cutaways are cut from the same mold that you were? Born with dealing well in stressful situations? You are saying it is impossible to develop handling yourself well in emergency situations when you had proper and repetitive training for cutaways? Wow. Thank you. I'm so glad you carved out my short career in skydiving. I'm just going to literally pack it all in. Goodbye ground school. Goodbye AFP. Goodbye dropzone. Mr. Psychic says I won't last so I have to heed his advice. Don't say no to drugs, say no thank you!

Wow, you really are a jack of all trades. I am so impressed. I guess being a 900 jump wonder and having a D license qualifies you to determine whether or not a 3 jump student is competent to jump in this sport. I guess I was strapped in front of you during my tandem jumps, right? I guess you were calm, cool and collective when you started in this sport, right? And from what you're saying from proper and repetitive training from qualified instructors regarding emergency procedures determine that this sport is not for me just because I'm not calm, cool and collective under life threatening situations. Wow, you really are good. Not only are you combat trained but you are also a psychic and you know me very well. You are good, I have to admit. Anyway, let's stick to the point and not pull how much jumps and how many licenses you hold over me, okay? Don't veer away from the subject. Afterall, those are forum guidelines, right? Stop being so judgemental and hateful. Why don't you join al sharpton's rally in new york. He could use your psychic abilities. Rather than reading a few articles and clouding your judgement from personal feelings about this situation, why don't you read about the evidence presented in court, the credibility of the witnesses and how the judge came about his verdict. Thank goodness you are not a judge because you would probably decapitate everyone, right? Don't say no to drugs, say no thank you!

You've got it all wrong. I am going by the court testimonies, evidence presented and the judge's verdict. It's all clearly stated in news articles. As any american, I put trust in the justice system. Case and point. Don't say no to drugs, say no thank you!

Where did you get your combat training at? Please, do tell. Cops are so robotic that they aren't human and can perform well under high risk situations, right? That is so deep man. Thanks for shedding some light on this situation. So you believe that the officers didn't identify themselves that night? You based this on what? On what two people said, trent benefield and pablo guzman, right? This is coming from two hardcore criminals with a serious rap sheet. Therefore, two guys that have prior criminal records involving guns & drugs are such credible witnesses to attest that police officers that night did not identify themselves. Wow. Take a look at the attached photo. It's trent benefield in his myspace picture showing off all the donations that he received after the shooting. Look at how he's mourning the loss of his friend by showing off his pay dirt. Read the full blog for the young hip hop community Here's a excerpt from the blog: Shit like this is why reparations will NEVER be a real political issue. There are just too many coons out there ready to act the damn fool for that second of shine. This also raises the question of what exactly where these dudes doing in a shady strip club that night. I still think the NYPD officers involved fucked the fuck up and deserve serious prison time for what they did, but Sean Bell and everyone in the car all had real criminal records (I'm not talking about jaywalking) and shit like this makes it seem like profiling only happens to "bad" black people. When Trent Benefield is the face of your tragedy it makes it harder to unify your cry for racial justice. For calling out your coon status and shedding light on the many social issues this case brings up, Trent Benefield is the Snitch of the Week. It's over for black people. Don't say no to drugs, say no thank you!

Infallible for what actions? For defending themselves because they were in fear of losing their lives? I guess you're telling me that you were there that night too and that you would have changed the script on the events that followed, correct? I'm so amazed at how many combat qualified individuals that post here can actually say that they would react differently. You all should seriously sign up and employ yourselves as field trainers for all LEOs. They are obviously in desperate need of your help. Please hurry and sign up. I am not combat qualified. I am not calm, cool and collective under life threatening situations. I would have probably have frozen and got mowed down if a speeding car came at me possibly firing shots at me. At least I can admit that I wouldn't know how I would react in that situation if it was presented to me rather than replaying the scene and arm chair quarterbacking this situation. Don't say no to drugs, say no thank you!

Wow. You were obviously there that night and determined that it was indeed a wall of nothing....interesting. What else did you see happening on that very night when you were there? Another superhero wannabe...you're telling me that if you were a cop and a speeding car was coming at you and possibly firing shots back at you that you would totally react in a different way? Another interesting point. Where did you get your formal training at? All LEO's could definitely use your calm, cool, collectiveness and alternate strategies for some revised field training. Don't say no to drugs, say no thank you!

When did you become such an authority in whether or not this was justified and about this situation being a turkey shoot? Were you there? Would you be so calm, cool and collective that you would done otherwise? I think not. In the Queens shooting, even if the men in the car were unarmed, police had reason to be worried about the car, careening back and forth, according to Michael Palladino, Detectives' Endowment Association. "I do not think the amount of shots were excessive because there was deadly physical force used against our detectives and the detectives used deadly physical force back. They continued to fire until the threat against them ceased, " he has said. As in Queens, a police officer can fear death - even if the suspect does not have a gun. In the death of Gidone Busch, a jury agreed that the police had reason to fear - and fire 13 times at - the mentally ill man wielding a hammer. Read full article Don't say no to drugs, say no thank you!

So you would seriously have enough time and react quick enough to duck behind a van from a speeding vehicle that is firing shots back at you? Tell us more about your superpowers. They say that "50 shots is murder" - but with three officers involved it sounds to me like, between the three of them, each emptied his magazine - with one or more reloading and firing several more shots. In addition, they fail to account for the fact that they were shooting at night and that officers are trained to keep shooting until the threat is eliminated. In this case, the threat was a moving vehicle. Although it may have been sloppy police work, 50 handgun rounds at a moving vehicle is not, in my opinion, overkill. Read full article Don't say no to drugs, say no thank you!

For a few reasons......One, you need a very strong case to prove federal civil rights violations. Basically, the federal goernment has to prove that the detectives set out that night with the intent of violating Sean Bell's civil rights. Clearly, they did not. Two, the federal government is not concerned with placating Al Sharpton and "the community". They will not go forward with a prosecution just to make someone happy. The feds are saying they are looking into it, and I am sure they are, but that does not mean they will prosecute. Don't say no to drugs, say no thank you!

Unarmed black man. Unarmed GROOM etc .. These catch phrases have been regurgitated by the liberal media over and over. I cordially invite ANY reporter to stand in front of my vehicle as I run them over, and after they wake from their coma, I challenge them to report that I was not "ARMED" with a vehicle, and using it unlawfully, when I intentionally ran them down. If I take a pen from my pocket, and jam it into your eye and blind you. I am guilty of assault. I was armed with a pen. An object that is not traditionally viewed as a weapon, can in fact, by virtue of the manner in which it is used BE a weapon. Most assuredly, Sean Bell was armed that night. Armed with a vehicle. And most likely intoxicated, which makes that vehicle a weapon even moreso. When a NYC Police Officer who was intox killed a family of four, he was quickly demonized by the liberal, cop hating media, because he used his vehicle as a weapon. Amazing. A vehicle in the hands of a white cop is a weapon. In the hands of a young black male, it is not. The double standard is alive and well in media circles. Journalistic integrity has gone the way of the Do-Do bird. Don't say no to drugs, say no thank you!

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