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Okay. So you think the process on the recordak was: 1) Unstrap the bills (assuming they were strapped before recording) 2) run each bill thru the recordak 3) stack the bills in the same order they went thru the recordak 4) re-strap the bills without shifting any That makes sense. If so, then yes, the FBI should have the original ordered list on the recordak. But if they were able to determine "found in same order" on the day the Ingram reported (or within 48 hours or so)...how come a printed list isn't available of that order? Did they look at the recordak to verify? Unlikely?

In terms of errors/typos in the FBI ransom list. Some are obvious, some are subtle. L34 390 386A 63 seems innocuous. But there are only a relatively small number of 1963 bills in the list. All the others in the FBI list from 1963 L district have low serial numbers, with a leading 0. examples: L05662422A 1963 L05794760A 1963 L05805357A 1963 L05883937A 1963 According to a collector book, using BEP data (which is sometimes incorrect), the L district run for 1963 serials only had a A run, and the serials printed (non-star) were 00000001 thru 07040000 that would make L34 390 386A 63 incorrect (L3490386A 1963) because the number is too big. It is more likely that the series year is 1963A for that number. Assuming series year errors were likely to be more common than errors in the serial. That said: I think the FBI list has a very low error rate. The error rate in the list that the check six uses is higher. However, it's possible there are errors in the FBI list that are undetectable...i.e. they seem legal according to all known BEP data. So far, there is no bill found on Tena Bar with a serial not on the FBI list. I sent a note to an ebay seller of a PCGS certified fragment, with a partial serial, but no full certified serial. From what I can tell, the partial that PCGS identified is incorrect. It's the first time I've seen incorrect identification from PCGS. (If PCGS was confident of the partial they provided, they would have been able to provide a full serial. If they are confident about that partial, it would have to mean that a bill was found that's not on the FBI list..My look at the bill says PCGS misidentified a 1 vs a 7.

thanks for the response flyjack I'm not questioning that 100 note packets were delivered to Cooper. I agree they were likely strapped (and maybe rubber banded also. I'll accept that based on the Ingram testimony) I'm just wondering why we're confident the three stuck-together bundles on Tena Bar were remnants of three cooper 100-note packets. It's not clear to me at all, how the total number of found notes was determined. It would have been nice if the bundles were weighed, for instance. The bills were not separated into more than 12 bundles at the time of the press party...where they were already quoting number of bills, and "in same order as delivered to cooper" It just seems to me, that in 1980, the number of bills found, was a made-up number. If that's true, then I don't know for sure why anyone thinks the 3 bundles found represent three independent packets delivered to cooper. I guess I need more info that says there were >200 bills probably found at Tena Bar. For instance: why shouldn't I believe that <200 bills were found? Maybe there's info I'm not aware of. The three bundles found, could be two split-up bundles. I don't believe what the FBI said the day of the Ingram turn-in. I can't believe they could have determined either # of bills, or the order of bills (found vs delivered to cooper) on that day, in such a short amount of time. If they did, how did they do it?

Yes I just noticed that. For some reason Google doesn't hit the dropzone.com pages on a search as well as it hits the dbcooperforum.com pages (it does hit some dropzone.com pages) I'll have to look at why G21056376B didn't hit on this forum with google. I had only seen a fuzzy image of the fragment the FBI found before...so I was surprised that video had a serial that was in-focus enough to deduce. If you have a list of 80 serials, where did they all come from? Have you been able to get PCGS to release a list of all serials they certified? I read a release which made it sound like they had access to a list the FBI maintained (of found serials). Both of those lists would be interesting to have. If I count the ha.com auction images, and the FBI file serials from Crystal Ingram, and the small number of serials visible in images I know of, I'm surprised you got up to 80 serial numbers? Did you maintain links to sources for each serial? I guess this has been discussed before. But all the FBI statements about the "bundles" when they were found seem false/made up (bills in same sequence, 3 bundles, amount of money found) I'm still not sure the physical sequence of bills given to Cooper, matches the recordak scan..there's no reason that's guaranteed. It might be true, but it might not. But FBI said the order matched (the found order matched the delivery order)..in the info they were feeding the press. I guess I'm wondering how the count of bills adds up to 3x100. Maybe there was just 2 bundles, with one split in half or so. EDIT: I'm thinking the FBI had no paper printout of the recordak serial number order. If they wanted to verify the order delivered to Cooper, they would have had to get the recordak out and look (if the recordak had that order matching delivery to cooper). I suppose it makes sense that the top and bottom of the packets had serials in the recordak ordered correctly. But unclear if the 98 bills between, were strapped in the same order as the recordak scan. Maybe. But note: when they used the 15 start/end pairs for deciding what bills weren't sent to cooper, they had difficulty, and (fbi lab) asked for the entire recordak of the 15 bundles for subtracting from the cooper $230k list. So something wasn't right in how they tracked bundles with start/end pairs. Cause they had "difficulty" and needed the full recordak of the $30k. Isn't that what the fbi files said? EDIT: now when the FBI lab created the sorted list. I'm guessing they transcribed the recordak, into a computer and used a computer to sort and print it out in the tabulated list we have. So at some time, the recordak list was available to be printed. I just wonder if they ever printed it. If so, why not in the fbi files we have so far?

I don't care what you share or don't share. Do whatever. Why are you posting so much if you don't want to share or converse? You seem angry about something.

I think all I said was that your timeline was inaccurate. I think your timeline makes sense now. All the other stuff you've written, sure, I understand you're trying to describe your thinking. Thanks. I think you don't need to tell people to "go ahead". People "go ahead" without permission.

Why so touchy?

How do you know when Cossey made the dummy reserve, or how many existed?

I don't believe Sheridan claimed he daisy chained the lines on the dummy chute. He said that when they used it at Issaquah (which would have been early '60s) he did that when he trained students. He didn't say anything about the dummy reserve in '71.

ok that's good for the status quo. it does raise the question of whether they only had one dummy chute at Issaquah. I would have thought for multiple students you might have more than one. That's why I'm surprised there's no picture, like Emrich showing a marked one the next day to reporters saying "it was like this" Did they make a new dummy chute after that lost that one? Or had they stopped using it long ago, so no need to replace? Hold old was the one Cossey had made? When had he made it? The whole story about dummy chute is looser than the story of the main rigs. It would seem "someone" would have a picture of a dummy reserve, if they were used a lot for training, before or after 1971. Be interesting if there were multiple dummy reserves, each marked different ways. But that would make less sense. EDIT: I never thought for a second that Sheridan was involved in "making" the dummy reserve. I'm not sure where that idea came from, but nothing I read implied that to me.

Well, there is no real "evidence" about the dummy reserve. it's all just random statements from a variety of people. there's nothing in the fbi files. So if you want to discount Sheridan's statements for some reason, that's fine. All I'm saying, is that you seem predisposed to certain statements and not others. I honestly can't tell what you think on the question of dummy reserve. Do you believe there is a black x and the lines were not daisy chained? why would you believe that, compared to anything else? Better to just say "can't tell" ??

Skyjack: A note for completeness sake. Your list of descriptions of the dummy reserve included statements from (2) skydivers without first hand knowledge. I do agree it's good to keep all descriptions in the timeline. But, you left out one important description in the timeline. Sheridan's July 2007 Smokejumper magazine description. Sheridan had firsthand knowledge of jumping at Issaquah in the '60s. So anything he says should be added to the collection of information that may or may not be accurate. There's no reason to exclude Sheridan's description. I'm assuming you're in agreement that Sheridan jumped at Issaquah DZ in the '60s. That seems settled fact. In the July 2007 Smokejumper magazine article he wrote, Sheridan only mentions daisy-chained lines. He doesn't mention any marking on the reserve (based on his knowledge from Issaqah) https://smokejumpers.com/documents/magazine_pdfs/056_Smokejumper_Issue_056_July_2007.pdf pages 11-13 But then in 2016 when he comments on an amazon review of "D.B. Cooper: Case Closed? Season 1" as eagleeyepete, he mentions a red X. https://www.amazon.com/D-B-Cooper-Case-Closed-Season/dp/B01LTHZEOE His review of the show: (he mentions "red X painted" and daisy chaining the lines. Until someone with Issaquah knowledge from the '60s has something to counter this with, I'm not sure why Tosaw or the other descriptions are more accurate. I think it's interesting to understand whether the lines were daisy-chained, as it might explain why Cooper didn't open that reserve when trying to get line for the money bag Says Sheridan in his review: (eagleeyepete) It was outstanding, especially the part featuring me. I especially like the camera shots of my flat. If I had it to do over, I wouldn't have made that dig about Smokejumpers not being skydivers. It was a generalization and obviously not true. There are so many mitigating circumstances that link me to D. B. Cooper. For one thing I earned my skydiving instructor's license at the Issaqua Sky Port where D. B. got his four rigs. I recognized the reserve with the red X painted across it which D. B. jumped with. I used it countless times to show students how to deploy the chute in ordered that it didn't tangle with the main. I had daisy chain the shroud lines. I would like to have seen the expression on his face, when or if he'd deployed it. Secondly I was a tech writer at Boeing and many people figured I knew all about the the 737 which I did not. I was actually an editor removing gobbledygook from the engineers documents so they were easier to read. President and safety officer of the Saigon Sport Parachute Club, I left Vietnam August, 1970 for Nepal. My son Sheridan Junior was born in Kathmandu and on Halloween night 1972 my daughter was born in Pokhara, Nepal. D. B. made the Heist in 1971 so of course I could not have been D. B. Nevertheless, F.B.I. agents went to Pokhara and spoke with the missionary doctor who supervised the delivery of my daughter, Ginger.

yeah that's the problem with starting with an answer, and looking for facts to validate that answer. I figure, the bag was big enough to get the money to cooper. Cooper did his best to make sure no money fell out. Did any fall out? No way to prove it, one way or another.

interesting that claim by Cossey of having the chute returned to him, is probably the most bald-faced lie by Cossey, as opposed to possible misunderstanding or fibbing to cover up prior misstatements. on the whole, it's unclear what Cossey was doing with all his incorrect statements.

No one would want the front reserve that was left behind. The lines were cut. it was obviously damaged (and lower value (old military) than a back rig. Especially lower value than a true skydiving back rig?

The FBI kept Hayden's rig If Cossey's rigs were on the plane, how come he never complained about not getting back one, like Hayden complained. Cossey never talked about getting back a rig did he. And the FBI files do have memos about returning a rig to Hayden right? There was redaction, but I thought there was enough to show that Hayden got a rig back. I guess also the statement by Hayden saying they gave it to him in a parking lot. But nothing similar from Cossey.

nice accounts by all. The BobBurnham account is interesting. Be nice if Bob could say whether the lines were daisy chained when they stuffed the sewn canopy back in the container, during training..i.e. did the students open the container with daisy-chained lines inside (with the sewn canopy stuffed in there too) or were the lines randomly stuffed in? (what a mess if so) the lines were definitely not re-packed using a pegboard or something? was that how reserves were normally packed to get the lines neat (and maybe rubber bands?)

I wonder if the Parachutist account might be most factual. It might be based on an interview of Cossey? "Investigators also discovered that in his rush to grab the rigs, the skydiver in the loft accidentally grabbed the drop zone’s dummy reserve, marked with a large “X” and red closing flaps. " Maybe it had a large black X AND red flaps. If that's true, one can imagine a bad memory of that i.e. red X vs black X and red flaps. Tosaw said nothing about the flaps, so Tosaw account doesn't go against black X and red flaps. It's all not clear to me.

"It was marked with a big red X, but was grabbed by the FBI, who were let in by an airport staffer who had a key." Who picked up the reserves? Was it FBI or police (state) I forget. I don't think it was the FBI, was it? If it wasn't the FBI, then that account starts seeming debatable, since parts of it might be incorrect? The other article almost seems to imply some "skydiver" grabbed the reserves? like Cossey (but it wasn't Cossey)

Odd that the Emrich stepdaughter account is that Lynn didn't know what the X was for. He owns the place, and he doesn't know what the X means? Sounds like she's fuzzing the story a bit? Don't know. Skyjack: can you summarize those articles to a timeline. It seems like Tosaw's is the earliest account? Seems like there needs to be something to corroborate his black X account. (where did he find out?) EDIT: and then another account has an unnamed skydiver grabbing the reserves? not Emrich. So that makes the stepdaughter account seem false? or ??

okay. there are two accounts of an X Tosaw said a black X Where did Tosaw get his information about color? It's not in the fbi files we have. I would say all we know is that it likely had an X on it. Correct. I don't know why you're so adamant, flyjack, on this. It doesn't seem like settled fact (yet) to me. If it does to you, that's fine.

please stop. If you're motivated to attack me, fine. But you've done that whole route already, so no new information. You're just saying the same thing over and over again. You asked me to do something. I tried to tell you I'm not interested in listening to your beseeching. Let it rest. I'm only replying because I'm trying to be a more decent human being. I'm not going to reply after this. Good luck.

I don't "have" anything on Amazon. You're attacking me like I'm some member of a club you're in...i.e. some kind of author club. I don't identify as any of that. I'm a reader. I'm just saying as a reader, it doesn't seem to me like you're a super good author. Sure that's criticism, but it's part of what comes with the terriory. I'm just saying, that you going on and on about claiming you're a great author and publisher....well, to make it simple, I don't think you are. You're the one who brings up your "experience" etc as some kind of claim to skill. I'm just saying I don't thing you're skilled, from my point of view. Let's just let this lie. This is even more pointless (discussing your skills as a writer/publisher). Good luck though.

there is no book on lulu It's on amazon. kindle direct publishing. They print it when you order it. https://www.amazon.com/Idiots-Frightful-Laughter-Sheridan-Peterson/dp/1791731708 643 pages. Published 12/21/18 7 x 1.45 x 10 inches ISBN-10 1791731708 Afghanistan/Iraq/Vietnam/Trump. Sheridan's cynical predictions were kind of spot-on. It's kind of amazing that you're so obsessed with your personal definition of value-add. I think you have to accept that the way you describe value-add is not necessarily a value-add to someone else. "What has value" is a thing to come to grips with. It's not a crazy book. It was something important to Sheridan. Most people could not string that many words together in any sensible way. I mean, I've scanned your book. I can't see how you have any standing, in comparison, to comment on another author. Really. That's opinion as a reader.

Of course it's pointless. that's the point.