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Inverted Stearman Up is not sky but a plane Can you do that there? (Lodi) Dave Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

Oh lighten up already ... can't a Canuck yank a Yank's chain once in a while?? Someone has to be silly ...I was actually hoping someone might question my history lesson, preposterous as it is... do I get extra cedit for 'thinking outside the box' at least? Dave Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

Hah! Getting a hold of the elevator was too tricky for ya was it? One of our VERY experienced cameramen did something similar last summer at skills camp. I guess he used a bit too much elbow 'cause he shattered the aft window . thankfully, our AME was in the next hangar and the plane was only down for as long as it took to pop a new lexan in place. Dave PS: yes, I laughed, but WITH you, of course Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

Easydoes it Ivan - you obviously know nothing about the holiday so I shall attempt an enlightenment... In Victorian England, Christmas was mainly a religious holiday since the Peerage had all the wealth and the domestic paeons did nothing but serve for a subsistence wage. However, in atonemnt for the way they treated their domestics at the holidays, the day after Christmas was declared "Boxing Day". On Boxing day, the commoners would gather on their masters' estates and hold a lottery for the chance to assault 'the boss' via a fistfight. It wasn't considered 'proper' to leave marks, though, nor to injure your fists thus preventing you from working at your chores on the 27th. So, special padded gloves were invented ... and the rest is sport history. The Marquis of Queensbury has a special place in this part of the story after the pesants started fighting dirty but we'll save that for another session. Being the good Monarchists we are we continued the tradition until our progressive land began to allow business owners to open their shops on this sacred British holiday. Now, the tradition is not to assault your boss but rather to go forth at 6:00 AM, enter a lineup to a retail establishment specially rigged with incredibly good deals and wait for the opening bell. You don't know WHO you'll hit except that it will be the person holding the item you so desperately wanted. The fun of the sport is you too may be assaulted until you arrive at the relative safety of the checkout lineup. No what's so weird about Boxing Day? Dave PS: [edited for British English and an extra silly] Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

Honestly, it was not because of the subject matter that I posted, but rather of the fact that I sw "the man" working.... I've heard too much of 'in before the lock' to let an "I watched a thread disintegrate" go unposted. Dave Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

Very true, Bill. I was (am) surprised that our newspaper may have been one of the few to pick this story up. It's neat to be the one to catch something, um, pre-second .... It might be even neater if our main Daly paper's editor got caught in a Snope Dave Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

Lame attempt at a PW (it's not my style really)... Just logged on and ran into my very first encounter with a thread going supernova. Something or other about butts and their uses ... I scanned page one and then POOF page 2 is a message saying "I'm not authorized to view". Back to the header page and the thread is still there. On a refresh command it was just gone. Very cool. There ARE mysterious forces at work in the Matrix somewhere.... oooooohhhhhhh Good thing, given the contents of page one... Will anyone admit to the kill? (c'mon, a bit of bragging won't hurt) Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

Here's the link to our newspaper - I read this in print this morning - maybe the link will work http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/subscriber/canadaworld/story/1167848p-1391874c.html Strange, though, that I can't find it out there either. Dave ...nobody can hack the print copy in my mailbox Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

OK, I didn't see this posted yet but WTF was this guy thinking? [copied from my local subscriber service ] wonder what "our STA" would say about that Dave Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

Are you the gatekeeper? Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

www.airliners.net Agreed about the site. Also try www.theavaitionzone.com and http://www.aviationpics.de/index.html Dave Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

Hate to tell you Captiain Funky, but the Var is far superior to damn near anything brewed on the 'empty continent'. In Canada we've had the Varsteiner kegs for about 3-4 years and the mainline breweries are now picking up on the idea. Guess what they call them...? Yup, something apropriately redneck... "Bubba" ... you should see the commercials... Dave PS: I agree that Varsteiner is not my favorite European beer - but it sure beats Budweiser Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

SUV drivers please take note.... we're ALL smaller and you DO drive that way. I make this comment not only as an inactive motorcyclist but also a Honda pilot. Dave Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

No, "we don't necessarily know either' since XP hides lots of stuff... I replied to someone as week or 2 ago on this same subject - the more of us that turn off this Mesenger "feature" the better. Pass the word. Dave T PS: popupkiller works for most popup ads (Google it). Canning Messenger has finished the job. Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

really thin neon headbands??? Ooooh, bad 80's flashback Dave PS: a Jumpiung Couple got married on my DZ last year and did the pullup cord thing 'to confuse the Whuffos in the crowd'. Sadly, the company who was printing their names and wedding date (right on EVERY pullup) did not even ship them before the date he printed on them (we have LOTS of spare pullups now) Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

I fly a Carrera and I love it!! It's much warmer than a protec but it's also quieter. With some minor mods you could mount a Protrac. The strap is fine. Remove the goggles-holder on the back if so equipped. Dave Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

AHA! Really, then, the proposed BSR is much more of a useful tool for the A and B holders ... that is until you have a couple hundred jumps and a 'reasonable' body of experience to prove you're not only not a danger to yourself but are also not a danger to others. So far so good. Perhaps an idea to consider is not so much an absolute wing loading number but a ban on downsizing more than one canopy size per license until the D? It's effectively the same thing for a bigger guy (Sabre 210 = 1:1, Sabre 190 - = 1.11:1, Sabre 170 = 1.24:1, Sabre 150 = 1.4:1 in my case.) but it more clearly illustrates the point that skipping a size is NOT a recommended thing. I can still scare myself under a Sabre 210 at altitude, thankyouverrymuch, if I fly the crap out of it. I can also fly a 170 gently and feel bored. I'm, um 'mature' enough to avoid even THINKING of the 150's, but some aren't. The key in all of this seems to be to ensure that the first canopy owned is the CORRECT canopy, somewhere around 1:1 and preferably ZP. From my readings, most of the larger DZ's have good student equipment that is sized accordingly (something smaller/poorer DZ's don't necessarily have). If your CoP, like a PRO rating, had a canopy size specified, it would be easy to spot those who were abusing the system. An STA test could amend your existing CoP to reflect a smaller canopy size (yes, I'm sure the USPA could charge a processing fee) irrespective (in principle) of your jump numbers or license held. Such a system would place a greater burden of responsability on the STAs, and DZO's because if someone hooked in under a canopy they weren't rated for there would be an audit trail to follow. If this little wrinkle could be ironed out the idea might just work. Is that worth a thought, Bill? Dave Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

Hi Bill: Interesting theory - very much like the class system for driver's licenses. The trick is what to do with all the 'old' license holders who are, essentially, unregulated. What do you do with a 200 jump 'D CoPper' flying a crossbraced 1.6:1 who can barely handle it? What about someone like me who cannot obtain a Canadian C for another 55 jumps if I want to fly a Sabre 170 at 1.25:1 and CAN handle it? Where does age and maturity fit into the proposal... or does it? A true illustration: DZO has a Jonathan 170 in an old Warp III with a round reserve available on consignment. I demo'd it at about 100 jumps (1.23:1) and stood up 3 out of 3 landings in no, light, and cross winds. It reminded me of doing laps in a Formula Ford racing car after road-racing a street sedan. By now I'm sure I could pass the Billvon canopy tests with that main but I was neither flush with cash nor interested in the myriad of 'what-ifs' at that time. Now, at 146 jumps, I carve front riser aproaches on my ragged out Raven II (1:1) after plucking the risers like guitar strings from altitude (damn I need to do more pullups), safely recovering from stalled toggle spirals and backwards flight and balls of mush. Methinks CReW is in my future so I'll take a Tri or a Spectre at a reasonable wingloading as my next ride. 19 year old kid, '6 feet tall and bulletproof' with about 50 jumps (USPA 'B' ????) wraps it up on his first test jump and chops to the 24' loPo. Flew it a few more times before the DZO said 'time's up'. Said kid just made his Pie jump and still snivels rigs wherever he can. Recently he's jumped a Stiletto 150 (1.4:1) ... and survived. Methinks ONE of us needs a ruling and the other doesn't. I suspect this example has a parallel at EVERY DZ in the world - the question really is, "Why is common sense so uncommon" and when should the liberties granted to the individual be restricted to save us from the 'regulators' who have no idea what this is all about? You're on the right track, Bill, and it's good that someone is working on the mounting problem. I'm going to visit the USPA website and find out what canopy skills are needed for each license level. the one area I'd suggest might need attention is the repeatability of those skills. I've done a few things 'once' ... Dave Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/destructotron.html Here's some more 'scientists on crack'. Backwards link to the main page for all kinds of whacky shit. Dave Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

Gloria Gaynor (sp?) I attribute my answer to watching "that 70's show" and for no other reason Dave ...yes, I read the credits (sometimes) Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

noice!! tit-ee bar and not on Sanagrio's dime (just 'all of yours') who hacked who? How'd he know my name> I'm CANADIAN ferchrissakes -I can;t even vote for him ... but the boobie hack angle might make me search for a Green card Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

Back to the chop chop stories, I made my Beer cutaway as a student on jump #20. Reserve procedures were still firmly being drilled into me by my jumpmasters. I think having a mal that early on was the BEST thing that could have happened to me because it proved: 1 - that it CAN happen to me (and did) 2. - that I CAN (and did) act accordingly. I'd like to have a tersh rig available to me with a 'disposable' eliptical main so I could experience a spinning mal at altitude to prepare me for the day when it will happen for real. Short of that I can only go by your 'get rid of it NOW' words. I believe that some people become complacent when they feel immune to the risks - ie: "nobody around her has had a horseshoe mal so why should I think about what to do?" (I did on #141, and that opened a few eyes around the DZ because it had not 'ever' happened. Now people consider this mal and we've had one other since). Emergency precedures have ALWAYS been a part of my inflight mental briefing and I'm glad and proud to say that. I'm not perfect, nor infallable. Having a forum like this where safety can be discussed and learned from is invaluable. Dave Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

...but then the glass could break and you'd have a sticky mess of goo with shards of sharp glass in it . What kind of silicone is this? ... like tent waterproofing stuff ... engine assembly type goo ... bathtub caulk? What about putting the plastic jar in a bigger plastic jar. That way if the little one leaks the big one keeps the stuff usable. Dave PS; you got a tool box?? Coooolllll Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

CELINE DION DOES NOT SING. Interesting article. Fairly accurate and unbiased in what it actually says. But it didn't mention income taxes or gas prices or six months of no jumping when it's white outside . Given those three, it's a good thing that firearms are so highly "restricted" here Dave Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

Intersting point of view, Bill. The CSPA doctrine (I know, your favorite people) still teaches the ('your'?) theory... "there square and steerable... if not, initiate reserve procedures. " Activation altitudes for JM jumps are sufficiently higher enough to allow some margin of error while one engrains this theory in their mind. Somewhere along the progression to 'master parachutists', though, many of us get pulled into the thought that the "minimum activation altitude" is THE activation altitude -regardless of the chute you fly. Also not necessarily a good thing. I can't say that I understand people who say they 'open high for safety' unless we're talking about canopy familiarization flights (ie: new gear) - when I open high it's becasue I want to play under canopy ... something I like as much as freefall. A phrase I'll always remember and believe in is "don't spend the rest of your life clearing that malfunction" and I think that about says it all. I wanna get to be an old skydiver Dave PS: the extra altitude on student progression saved me from a 2 out when i had a p/c in tow and cleared it on 'check thousand'. I think that was the LAST time that I counted all the way to 5 because a high speed mal at 2200 doesn't leave a lot of leftover altitude or time to clear anything. Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)