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For anyone who hasn't heard..... The Official Dates for the 6th Ags Over Texas Memorial Boogie is September 9-11. Aircraft: Skyvan from Eloy and our Grand Caravan Early registration forms should be out in the next 2 weeks. We will have the same caterer as last year. The Prime Rib will stay on the menu, but other items may change. Like last year, the menu will have something for vegetarians and something other than red meat. We are still finalizing organizers so I will keep you updated when I think I have a complete list. All I can think of right now..... Todd I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

Well, now I know I can do it. Now I just have to do it when I plan to. It was a balst and the crowd loved it. I am ready for Aggieland to get a pond... Todd I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

You should get with AggieDave.....he is a bit younger though. Bones may just be snapping in two when he gets to 40...... Sorry, Dave, couldn't resist...ok, I could have, but.... I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

Know, I can say he was at a swoop comp and looking at the pictures, he did somewhere around the 180-190 foot area and the forward momentum took him to the 200 foot change from dirt to grass. He smacked down on his knees. Kathy has a great pic of it. She will be at Skyfest Todd I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

Is a matter of fact we do. PM me or call the DZ and talk to Kathy for the details. Todd I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

From Aggieland: Get there at 6:30am Sunday, Get on the Caravan for a 45 minute ride. Todd I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

I want to say great job, Levin. You are getting these events down. I had a blast and plan to attend the rest of the meets. Skydive Aggieland is looking forward to hosting more events in the future. (Especially if the pond happens). Todd I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

I am sure Levin will post soon. I can't remember the order. I remember where Dave and I cam in. Todd I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

QueenBee and I have tried multiple times this morning to update our Skydive Aggieland listing. Despite reentering every item, we continue to recieve the following notification: tspillers I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

Wasn't thinking.... Maybe that is why I get so much junk. Todd I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

dzo(at)skydiveaggieland.com I was having some email issues, but I think I have worked around them. Fixed that email address for you so you don't get spammed . . . I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

I think that both should be presented to the S&T Committee. Remeber, a proposal like this doesn't go to a board. It goes to a Committee and the committee makes a proposal/suggestion to the board to vote on. If an individual (or group) goes to the open board, most likely the board says X committee (S&T in this case) discuss this and get back with us. The down side is that generally means that because of the 'agenda' that it won't even be discussed until the next meeting (6 months for USPA). I believe me, that even though you may not see a lot of board members posting here, some are reading and will take some info to the committees. Todd I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

Gary, I think this is why a guidline might be more appropriate at this time. Right now as a DZO, I just tell people NO. Your not ready, do these tasks, show me this or that, your judgement keeps getting you into situations that will get you hurt on a smaller canopy, etc. All of our students either buy, or download a SIM. If there was a chart in there to refer them to, then it is in black and white that wiser, older (hehe, stab at most of the board memebers ) jumpers have determined a safe progression. I still say education is everything, but this would be another tool. We teach canopy control to our students and quite often go well beyond the ISP. If they start talking to students from other DZ's, they start thinking they are way ahead of the game (in many ways they are), rather than the others being behind. My 1/2 cent. Todd I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

I like the idea of license skills with each license. Currently, I don't think we have enough "qualified" canopy coaches out there. I think we have some good canopy pilots, but that doesn't mean they can teach what needs to be taught. I would like to see a better program for this as well, but one uphill battle at a time. Todd I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

I will add some more concerns about the 'grey list'. As another DZO, such a list would be bad in my opinion. If someone was on the list, I let them jump at my DZ, and someting happened.......I can see the lawsuits now. So I would just not let anyone on the list jump. Now let's look at someone who get's in here and argues (with good intentions or not) with these more experienced people and one of them isn't as professional as they should be and decides to put them on the list...... Now, they aren't jumping because they pissed someone off away from the DZ. I am sorry, but I see more harm than good from such a list. I am in contact with area DZ's and we let each other know if there is someone we think should be watched. It works quite well. Todd I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

We will have to adress this in an all emcopassing angle, not just people wanting to swoop. There are many reasons (not always valid) people downsize: drive into wind on windy days, smaller container, more responsive, etc. We will have to set a minimum with consideration from coached progressed swoop wanna-be's to the just want to fly faster non-swoppers. Of course the latter will be less effected I think. Some of the fatalities are still in that area: I don't want to swoop, I fly conservative, yadda yadda......land off in tight area, turn low to avoid power lines and smack the ground. Todd I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

Not sure yet. It is in the works. Ideas will be presented to the S&T Com in July. I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

The I/E rating in its current form will no longer be issued as of Jan 01, 2006. So if you want it for nastalga, get busy. The AIC has nothing to do with the current I/E rating. Todd I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

I agree with you I think. Are you saying we shouldn't offer a test out? If so, I think that isn't realistic. We either make the limits so high, it doesn't matter, or we penalize those who spend their time going to courses on canopy control, getting coaching, and practicing how to fly their canopies. It would be like setting a rule that you must have 50 jumps to be on a 20-way, but not allowing for the guy with 5 hours of tunnel time and 20 of his 30 jumps were SDU program. I believe that unless DZO's and instructors get involved, then a BSR wouldn't even help. Some DZ's have already set their own limits. This has been met with much resistance. If there were a guidline that the DZ's could follow, it would make for less resistance. Also, there are many DZ's that feel that if it is printed (recommendation or BSR), it is fuel for attourney's as standard accepted practice. I also think a recommendation would get passed easier than a BSR for w/l. I have not fact to back this up, this is just my feeling. I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

Of Course PD already does this. The feeling is that it will give more fuel to the I's, DZO's, S&TA's, etc. without shoving it down everyone's throat and it switches the 'grandfather' issue from 'how do we deal with it' to maybe those individuals should think about what they are jumping. It will still, as always, have to be dealt with most on the local level. Education is where we have to focus. Showing them some guidlines and training them and allowing them to perform certain skills prior to advancement. This of course is just my opinions based on my spin of the meetings. I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

This is a reply to the group. Based on the S&T Com Meetings, I don't think there will be a BSR. They are very interested in guidelines. There are several ideas that will be discusssed by a subcommittee in which I am on. I have been lurking the posts and there are many good ideas. Keep posting and debating (it save committee work and time). As I have mentioned in the past, I am in favor of a chart with an advancement option. I am also interested in having canopy skills performance at each license level, but that is another issue. I also believe there should be a canopy class system. For example a class I (maybe Navigator type) has a wingloading X, but a class II (Sabre 2) has wing loading Y at the same given level. Please email me if you have any input on a way to implement this. Just post here to discuss the idea. Todd I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

As an additional note: The AFFCC Standardization Meeting, USPA S&T Committee, and The USPA Board Meetings that have just completed also discussed a foreign rating holder getting a USPA rating. The decsion was they can 'test out'. IF they have an AFF rating, they can challenge the coach rating and the the AFF rating. The training a foriegn student was pointed out in another post. Todd I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

You know, if you ask me at the DZ I can tell you more than you want to know. Since I own a fifth wheel, as a kid we did the camper shell, rented rv's, did tents, pop ups, etc. and have done a lot of researching the in recent years. Todd I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

I had a similar situation with a desktop. It started after XP Service Pack SP2. I started thinking maybe bad memory and removed one of the memory chips. It then booted and ran fine. After a few days, I re-inserted the chip and haven't had a problem since. Don't ask me to explain, just something that seemed to work out. Todd I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

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