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O.K. I have found by looking over DZ.com that in this forum that the big 3 subjects are guns, god and government. Three subjects my poor wife has had to deal with me and my views on for sometime now, I have very strong views but I am not offended by other peoples views in fact I love to hear and try and better understand their views from the stand point that I just might learn something new. I was trying to go and read everything I could find on these subjects in this forum, and I have found that a lot of people have lot of very different ideas about these subjects. Sadly I have to say I do not have the time to sit down and read every post and reply in a proper manner, so I thought I would kick out a few of my views and let you all take shots at me in that I can get to know you all better and learn something about you and myself. I am not trying to change anyone’s view nor should you ever thing I am going to change mine, I just like to learn about the “other side of the coin” if you will. GUNS: I am for the most part a well armed semi-pacifist; I do not have any longing to kill and or hurt another human nor am I going to let my love ones or myself get hurt or killed when I have the means to stop an act of aggression. I have a large number of firearms everything from long arms, side arms, and shotguns. I guess a shot gun is a long arm, but I digress. I take them to the range and practice and for lack of a better word train with them. I do not understand people that are anti-gun but I will use my gun to defend their right to be anti-gun. For me guns and the privet ownership of guns is as necessary as food and water. I do not have the time nor will I wait for a peace officer to show up to my place if someone is breaking in that intends to steal from me or do harm to myself or my family. I will use the minimum amount of force needed to stop the “bad guy/girl” (lack of a better term) as time allows for. If the minimum amount of force requires me to put 7 rounds of 00 buckshot in to a “bad guy/girl” so be it but I will not lose any sleep over it, but I do not sit up and night hoping to have the opportunity to commit such an act. One should also look at the fact that you can’t always get to a phone the police, also what happens if it is the police that are the ones breaking in. I think that every person over the age of 18 that has not been put in to prison should be allowed to carry a firearm openly I do not care if it is a long arm or side arm. People’s manners in public would get much better as well as make police officers much nicer when that pull you over. Yes, I can hear you now talking about blood baths in the streets. I would like to point out to you that in places like South-Central LA you already have that going on what would happen if the “incant bystanders” could shoot back at the gang banners or who every. GOD: I am a born again atheist, who’s best friend is a very devote Christian. I do not believe in god, I think that humans at one time needed religion to make up for what they did not understand then as people started to figure out the world around them the government took over religion as a means to control the masses. If you need religion to get you through your day and to make you happy go for it. I can understand right from wrong without somebody telling me about it every Sunday for a few hours. I do think that if you stripped away the religious dogma from the Mormon church they do have some very good ideas on taking care of their own and helping each other out and not expecting the government to feed and cloth you. It is when you add the religious dogma to the Mormons that it becomes something I have no taste for. I also can’t do the whole women is ment to serve man as man serves good. I think that is in proverbs not really and I not sure were my copy of the bible is. Another thing I have copies of many different religious texts and for the most part they say pretty much the same thing. So this whole killing in the name of god thing confesses me, and the 100 years war even more so. One of the things that I am really confused about it in mainly in what I call the BIG 3 that being Christianity, Islam, and Judaism is that two people of the same sex can not give each other an orgasm or get married. I hear people say all the time that marriage is a religious institution if so in some of your religions such as Wicca homosexuality is excepted, and do we not have the first amendment that would allow for people of the same sex get married under the freedom of religion part? Also if marriage is such a religious institution why do I have to buy a license from a city government official, then pay extra on my taxes for being married. I really am so confused on this issue. Me and my wife have several friends that are homosexual and I know two of them would love nothing better to get married. GOVERNMENT: I was born conservative, raised liberal, and I am a Libertarian by choice. It was reading the published works of Ayn Rand, Robert A. Heinlein, and Philip K. Dick that shaped a lot of my views. I know that in a lot of Philip K. Dick’s later works you can see his not only cheese slid of the cracker but had gotten up and left the room. In lot of Dick’s early works he had some very good ideas about government and freedom. Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand enough said. Robert A. Heinlein’s The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Stranger in a Strangeland, Farnham’s Freehold, Revolt in 2100, and Methuselah’s Children all have a very hudge impact on my life and my feeling toward government. For the most part government is way to big and it is the fault of the American sheep excuse me American people that have let the government become that big. I get very sick to my stomach when I hear about people that feel no need to work and or believe that have the right to live off the work of others. I’m going end this post now simply because my eyes are seeing nothing but fuzz and I could go on for ever and ever on these 3 subjects. Like I said at the start of the post just a few ideas and thoughts on these subjects. I’m hoping to learn something from all of you all. Remember that expectant life span is an average, and most people are below average --Garrison Keillor

Thank You very much, I hope that everyting works out as planned. Remember that expectant life span is an average, and most people are below average --Garrison Keillor

I have no jumps, and my wife has a bunch, but I can't wait to jump. I am 37 and I have the feeling that I will be just like you and try and figure out why I did not try it sooner. Remember that expectant life span is an average, and most people are below average --Garrison Keillor

In my trade we say you have 99% boredom followed by 1% sheer terror and that 1% is more then any human should have to go through in a single life time. The pictures are very very cool, I can't wait to post mine. Even if it is onlt a tandem. Remember that expectant life span is an average, and most people are below average --Garrison Keillor

I like that, may I use it. A statement of that kind really hits home with me. I once read (Robert A. Hainlein???) that over relying on any one weapon will lead you to an early grave, as will under relying on all of your options. I think that your statement is very close to saying the same thing but is limeted to fighting as your only means. Were I work we tell new officers if you can safley run away do so. We have been to to many funerals. Here is what I am getting down to: All I have to say is that in America when it comes to guns you have two sides. I for one have been around guns all of my life, my father was a 1st Sgt. In the United States Army and I grew up shooting the M1911-A1 .45ACP it is my weapon of choice. There are much better weapons for carry on person then than the M1911-A1 but that is my weapon of choice, I also spent a number of years shooting Cowboy Action and on a good day with a Single Action Wheel gun I can hit and knock down five 12 inch steel targets in about 5 seconds @ 15 yards, by Cowboy Action standards is very slow. I am not the best shot in the world and I have been in a few firefights, Once I should have had a .22 hit me in the neck but went in to the collar of the jacket and went around my neck I recovered the bullet trapped between the layers of fabric. Needless to say I got behind a downed log. I had a shot gun and a side arm but being that me and the people I was with were taking fire and did not want to get hurt or killed trying to return fire we hide out and waited. We had nothing to lose be hiding so that was the best thing to do that time. Sometimes it is better to know when to fight and when to run. I have also fired shots in to cars, and other things with the hope (and it worked) that I would not have to shot a human. I have to deal with a drunk college students (more times then I can count) and it came down to fist and or grappling So guns or no guns you should always have a back up plan. I think that the CCL is a good thing and those who have them have earned them should be proud that they have them and those who chose not to carry a gun should not judge a person that feels the need to carry one. The same goes with the people that chose to carry a gun, don’t judge the people that feel no need to have one. When I feel the need to carry a weapon I do some times a gun, some times a knife, and from time to time a box cutter. One should not limit ones self. You may think of me as a coward but I have been in alot of fights in my life that a little common sense could have stopped, but I have been in alot of fights that fighting was the only thing to do and I did to win and my father always told me the only fair fight is the one you win. Mr. AggieDave has a good point, but stops short in pointing out you may not always have to fight to stay alive and if your alive and unhurt you have won. There is only one thing in this universe that I would be willing to give my life for and that is the life of my wife. Remember that expectant life span is an average, and most people are below average --Garrison Keillor

You are so right in that statement. One thing no one can stand is a no it all that have never done what he knows everything about. I will try very hard to learn what I can before I get there, but I still understand nothing can really beat the doing of an act. Like the poet said "For all things there is a first time" My wife has nothing but very good things to say about your DZ. That is why she picked it for my first jump. Right now we are just waiting the paperwork to files taxes then we will be seeing you.

Well, when dealing with people that have nothing better to do with the day then to....well you get the idea. Most of the inmates that I have to deal with have nothing to lose and will never see the freeworld again so for the most part you have to stay relaxed and know what is going on around you at all times. If you can't let you body relax but keep your mind sharp you could get dead real fast. Thank (enter the diety of choice here if you happen to go that way) that does not happen very offen. I have been cut, burned, had all kinds of body fluids thrown on me. From what my wife has pointed out that one of the keys to enjoying skydiving is beable to relax but keep your wits about you. So I think that from 16 years of corrections I may have an idea on how to do this, but I am keeping an open mind to the sport do to the whole apples and oranges thing. Remember that expectant life span is an average, and most people are below average --Garrison Keillor

Hello all I am currently what you all call a WUFFO, but as soon as income tax comes back I will lose my skydiving cherry. It has taken my wife Moodyskydiver 18 months to do it but after reading about half of her copy of the SIM I have decided to make my first but (keeping fingers crossed) not last jump. She has advised me that a tandem is the best for a first time jumper and that if I like skydiving then seeing about going in to an AFF or AFP school. She has also given me, my very own log book. I am 37 years old a corrections officer, I have been in a few very tight spots at work as far as mass inmates fights and minor riots (if there really is such a thing as a minor riot) One of many reason that I want to skydive is to see if the “rush” for lack of a better word that one gets from skydiving is greater then being in a chow hall with 700 inmates trying to kill anything that moves. From what moodyskydiver has told me it is like apples and oranges. I will find out very shortly. I have many other and better reasons for jumping, they number to many to list in this first post. I am also hoping that it can be worked out that I can get her to a tandem as well, but with her knees being is as bad shape as they are I’m not sure how that could be figured out. Also my 65+ old mother plans on coming along as well. She would like to jump but she has admitted she will not know if she is up for it to she gets to the Drop Zone. Before I forget as of right now Moodyskydiver plans and taking me to Skydive Aggie Land.