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Jerry Thomas - I understand you were a Green Beret and you knew McCoy. Is this true? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Dear Orange. That Avatar was a composite cut in half and a picture of Duane at a slight tilt (note he did NOT allow straight on photos - he was always posed with a slight turn). This made the nose look narrower, but in my amaturish way it was the best I could do. I cut the composite in half and tape the 2 things together. Then I scanned that and that is what I posted as my Avatar. I did NOT do this on a comupter and I only made ONE mark - that was a very very slight connection of the hair line due to the angle of the picture of Duane being made by someone shorter than himself...it was minute. I do not know how to use a computer to manipulate photos like others can. Note the post with the attachement - I can't even figure out how to do the Office slide so that it will show well on the computer the way FarFlungs posters do. It came out a small attachment and you can't see the details or the wording. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Have you checked out my Avatar? One half Composite and one half Duane Weber. Now check out the OLD ROSE composite and the comparisons! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

You mean it took you all of this time to figure out who he really is? Now if you want to have some fun with him - I will come back in a few moments and make an attachment to this post. By the way "really" is spelled with two l's not one "l".[;) Jerry, I would appreciate it if you would BACK-OFF. I am NOT well at all right now and why I have not been posting much. I have a lot on my plate right now - and the last thing I need is you hounding me for a polygraph. As I have said if the FBI wants one I will do it, but only if the FBI requests it. END of SUBJECT. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

1. 2. 3. Georger: In the last few posts you have said some very profound things which I have quoted above. What do you know about the tie that would impact any tie genetics conclusion? How is Thomas able to block you from doing anything you need to do? He has NOTHING to do with the FBI! Why aren't you convinced the FBI lost the cigarette Butts? Please explain your statements because I have a feeling I am not the only one looking for answers...as to WHY you even made such statements. I now think I know what was in the paper bag Cooper carried aboard - I have always wondered why they could not have gotten prints from that bag - or did he toss it out the window after he used whatever was in it. Georger did the forestry trainees have a special pin they wore - looks like a small woodman with his pic...which I now know is a Pulaski? Could, I guess, be used a hat tac, tie tac or lapel pin.

Spell bounding book, but perhaps just for me - the flashbacks I keep having and the question I keep asking myself. Did I read thisi Book before? Not that I am aware of. I am quiet well aware that there have been many articles about the Mann Gulch Fire and that is why so much of it is familiar. One thing in this book I know I never read anywhere and if I did I missed it. A colleague of Maclean's point out this to him: "James Fenimore cooper had something like Dodge's fire burning in his favorite of his own novels, The Prairie, first published in 1827. Cooper's eastern readers are held in suspense throughout most of chapter 13 by the approach of a great prairies fire from which the old trapper rescues his party at the last momment by lighting a fire in advance of the main one and having it ready for human occupancy by the time the sheet of flames arrives". The book goes on to explain that the Plains Indians also used this method. but was never taught in forestry training. The book also mentions something else I was NOT aware of. When the forestry was short of hands the picked up Bar-Flys and used them - this was done with Mann Gulch. Since Duane told me he had forestry training I am going to assume that was true - as it was one of the few stories when he used the first person. I believe this happened between 1944 and 1949...and I definitely know that at one point Duane was working in the forest near Placerville and Carson City. He use the first person regarding this. He had NO reason to lie about that. I am only half-way thru the book, but these are things I am picking-up on. I also want to know anything I can about 2 men who died in that fire - I need Snowmman! David R. Navon from the Modesto, CA. and Newton R. Thompson from Alhambra, CA. I need to know the background on these guys - where they went to school and where they were trained and their ages. How and why the ended up in Mann Gulch. Also not that the Johnson Flyer's supplied the planes, pilots and spotters for most of the Smokejumpers. That leads me right back to Ed Hurand, Huran, Horan or Horand. The blue eyed scarred or pock face friend of Duane's who knew him from WA and the West. Something to do with planes and helicopters - he told me that Duane would tell me about that when he was ready - but I NEVER did ask Duane how he knew Ed or tell him about our brief conversation in 1978. Ed is the one who worked for American Income out of Waco, TX and the company would NOT give me any information about his siting the privacy law. Yet, Ed had to be deceased by now as he was diabetic in 1981 or 1982 - the last time I saw him at a meeting in Atlanta, GA. That is when I took the picture of him. Find Ed Horand and we will find more out about Duane Weber's background and his connection to WA, ID, and OR. Strangely enough the more I research and the more I find the more convinced I am that Duane Weber was Dan Cooper. I do not understand the FBI's reluctance to look at Duane's past - 1944 to 1968 and go more indepth...especially 1944 to 1949 (there lies the secrets of the past). Who dropped the communication apparatus for the jumper - it broke when it hit the ground. The doomed jumpers had NO communication because of this. Why was Weber so astute with CB's and other communication devices? What was in the Paper bag Cooper carried aboard the 727? Why did he choose a flight that had just come out of Missoula? Answer these and you might know why the FBI was looking for a smokejumper! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I think it may have been the PURE VOLUME of posts and not what he was posting. He did get arrogant with Quade, but I still think a limited chance should be allowed. Snow was posting so many large - posts and sites and you could read for pages and it was all Snowmman. I expect what the DZ was unable to handle the volume of Snow's post. Snow sounds complusive to me - and maybe he just got too carried away. Will he do the same thing again? Probably, but he will know the consequences and they will probably be swift. Perhaps if Snow has valuable information the thread needs - he could send it to one of us to hand off. This will put him back into the search - but with his own private monitor...one of us. If Quade see this process os working - maybe - just maybe he would let him back in. Most of us do NOT want to take the chance we ourselves will get banned for passing and relaying Snows posts. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

This is a book you cannot put down. All I had read was Tall Timbers and somethings on the internet. The terminology I knew - things there I knew. None of this means that Duane was a Smokejumper. I know that between 1988 and 1995 there was a really bad fire in the West and Duane was glued to the TV. He said he had worked with some of the men who where there (the fire between 1988 and 1995). When they did the reports on TV - Duane explained these things to me. Duane had made the mention that he had Ranger training - forestry has Rangers, but we discussed this before. I am now on page 97, but had to let you guys know how exciting this book is. I have read something about this story before in my research, but NOTHING like this accounting. So detailed and well written. Maybe I read a short version of this on the internet or in another book - but I knew the story. I have been searching things like this for some time now...in fact this was one of my first discussion with Himmelsbach BEFORE the FBI came to talk to me. I told him about Ranger Training and how Duane was glued to the TV during a big fire in the West. This book talks about the Forestry collecting Drunks in the bars to fight the fires if they were short handed and that statement made me think about using prisoners also, but this was not mentioned. I remember the book Duane had about Forestry - the one he showed me the pictures of the old truck and with the 5 guys. Then low and behold - Snowmman posts that darn picture in the thread - and the names of the guys are there. Three of the guys went to Mt. Hood and one of them had been a smokejumper....the one Duane told me - Where ever he went that guitar went. This the picture someone referred to the Howdy Doody Smile on one of the guys - the one who looks like a young Duane Weber. I traced both names in that article and came up BLANK. The man did NOT exist - and the people I did find said that was Not their Melvin or Marvin (their Uncle or family member). I believe Duane was gone from the WA, OR and ID area before or during 1949...but, I know he was there some time between 1944 and 1949. We know part of that was supposedly in McNeil but the FBI denied that and then corrected themselves to say "Passed Thru McNeil" when they found I ALREADY had the McNeil papers. They didn't know how much I had which contradicts their wording "Passed Thru". Duane explained all of the terminologies to me during our marriage - the Pulaski really hit home... and the back fire and whirls. No I don't think Duane was at Mann Gulch, but he may have known someone who was there. Note that the Flying Johnson provide the planes and spotters. The Flying Johnsons may be the connection - Ed Horan (the man with the pock marked face ) and blue eyes. The man that knew Duane from WASHINGTON. Everyone has tried to put Duane Weber in a chute - well, what about buddies and others he knew who were Smoke Jumpers. The book even talks about the ones who didn't make the grade and would vomit - therefore ended up working the trails and other menial jobs...I don't remember reading this before. Back to the Book but think the photos I am going to attache mean something and the very thing I kept hounding the FBI about and they didn't look. The secrets like in Coure'd alene and a camp not far from there. Duane was probably using an alias to get the job or one provided by his family friends. Why couldn't Duane ever go back? Was he just a Dish Washer at the Spillway Tavern in The Dalles? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I had reason to contact Donna at the Ariel Tavern - she is NOT buddy buddy with JT like he claims. Hey, the grapevine tells me that JT has been getting into lots of trouble lately...he seems to be raising a lot of ruckus lately and that I am NOT the only one who is at odds with him...media, FBI, writers, forum members, old friends and family members. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

377 Note that Sheridan writes in the third person. Is this just a writing style or unique to the age category? This Home Coming read like an obituary. That was the feel I got. Again he rambles in time with this essay just as he did with his book. It is like a seesaw and somethings are out of sequence, but when all is said you understand the thought process. I agree - he needs to be able to relive his past - by making one last jump even if it has to be tandem...hope I got the terminology correct. The woman with the Dumb Blonde syndrome thinks he is an interesting man. I noted he made no reference to a wife in 1961 or any children by that wife. As for Bob and Jane 's "story" - I sure would love to hear Sheridan's side of the story - if it really even happened. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Thank YOU to both 377 and Georger. When was the picture of Petersen made - what yr? Surely not in the last few yrs! Wow did they ever get a lot wrong regarding Duane Weber. Weber whispered to his wife, “I’m Dan Cooper.” Mrs. Weber had no idea what he meant. In frustration he said, “Oh, let it die with me!” Not the way it was but it will do. 11 day before he died and he use the F---ing word when I didn't grasp what he was telling me. It was only after he was gone that his wife studied the 1971 hijacking. I didn't study anything - I wasn't looking for anything because I didn't know who DAN COOPER was. .Mrs. Weber was convinced her husband was the hijacker. She agreed to take a polygraph test with the FBI, and apparently passed. However, Weber was eliminated as a suspect after a DNA test found no match. The FBI never offered me a polygraph test (she must have got that from Jerry). Now we know that the DNA is so incomplete they cannot rule ANY ONE out or IN. There was never any record of a print taken from a drink glass....unless that is one of the many facts of the case the FBI has kept secret. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Could you post on the thread the picture used in the Parachutist magazine of Peterson. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Maybe the man who called himself Sheridan Peterson was NOT {Peterson but someone using his identification). YOU Think? Maybe you should show Bob some pictures of other suspects from around 1960 and see what POPS. Duane was supposedly in prison in 1961 at Canon City. 1957 (well, we know NOW he was not only in California and was in St. Pete, FL). But we loose him until he ends up in El Paso County in Canon City, CO in prison. Maybe some one should ask Bob and Jane if they saw a picture ID. of Peterson. Maybe someone should ask Peterson where he was at this time and if it was actually him. Perhaps Peterson knows nothing of the claim Bob and Jane are making. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

So you knew WHY that list got my attention? Dusty Smith on the same page as Sheridan Petersen. Good charcoal, but surely the caption was your own. Do not make so much fun of the ears - not if you see pictures of his hair longer and with sideburns even though the hair was gray. Keep an open mind, just as I have to do in the opposite direction. The only one his ears appear large in are the close haircuts and prison shots. I told you he was a chameleon in changing his appearance. So who is Dusty Collins? And Who is Dusty Smith? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Wish I had your way with words. I am reading a book by Norman Maclean born in Carinda, Iowa in 1902, but I am puzzled by something. He worked in the logging camps and for the United States Forest Servcie before beginning his academic career. This goes on to say he was Willaim Rainey Harper Professor of English at the University of Chicago until his retirement in 1973. He also wrote another book called A River Runs Through It and Other Stories This book is called Young Men and Fire and is about the Mann Gulch Fire in 1949 and was actually put together from the manuscripts after his death by the University. Does anyone have a copy of A River Runs Through It. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Sheridan's book should answer a lot of your questions. You can read it on line. It is NOT available anywhere. Your opinion of Sheridan setting up Bob and Jan for a 30 day inservice is way off. My insight into Sheridan is he was a hard worker and chose to do thing the right way. He had some hard times while trying to support his family after his divorce, but what guy didn't in those days. I do NOT expect Sheridan needed any information from Bob about the aft stairs. I have heard this Bob and Jane story before, but don't recall from who or where. It seems it has been engarnished since I first heard the story. It was a well know fact from the beginning of the investigation that the FBI was targeting skydivers, smokejumpers, etc. Larry Carr was only repeating what was a well know fact and mentioned by the FBI and the newpapers many times. Where is Thun Field? What is Thun Field? Not everyone knows this information. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

you're never going to win a linguistics argument here - these folks just dont get it - ckret never did. "No accent" to these folks means "no accent" which might as well mean: he didnt say nothin!

Loafers would stay on with a set of ankle rubbers - they attached over the shoes firmly to the ankles with a snap. Duane always carried rubbers toppers and ankle boots in his car. Later on I guess they stopped making the things. I haven't see them in yrs. Only one time in our marriage in 1979 after our trip to WA - Duane had a "little to much " to drink and kept talking about his feet being so cold sitting on the edge of the bed taking his slippers off and on - off and on. There is more to this story, but this is all I am telling in a public forum. Remember this little incident was the winter after our trip to WA in 1979...dreams and nightmares and then in Feb of 1980 right after the money find he pens his resignation (the day after it comes out in the paper) and leaves the area within 2 or 3 wks. I have paper work to vouch for the date of the resignation. We also know the date the find came out in the Rocky Moutnain New. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Snowmman says he's running multi-op from Commando Solo. What does that mean? Quade we NEED Snowmman - limit his posts so he doesn't take over like he did before, but his info is definitely NEEDED NOW. We know that is WHY most of us got out of sorts - because it was a continuous barrage of lenghty post and links. I believe he will behave this time and keep his posts on topic and limit the number of posts he does . Maybe no more than 6 reasonable length posts per day. This guy know how to find "stuff" and I need to know who Dusty was and more about that Skydive site. If we can't have Snow back - how about providing us with someone who is able to find this "stuff". This is getting to the nitty gritty now...and we NEED technical support. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

If Snow is up is he playing games and why did I get this list of names from the 60's. Snow what is this all about - I know you didn't send me that list - but then maybe you did - you seem to know how to manuver around things like that. Surely someone is up and playing games tonight and this is a joke - right! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

http://60sjumper.skydiveworld.com/mates.htm What the Freaking Hell is going on - I just got this site sent to me out of the clear blue. I don't even understand what is is. Where is Skydiveworld? There was a Sheridan Peterson there - but, it is it the correct one? But there was also another name I have been looking of for YRS. Some of you guys explain to me what this is? I don't get it and from where this was sent - it has a reason. Note: Dusty Smith - is someone trying to pull my chain? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I tried to e-mail him to let him know what the HELL is going on, but the address he has had for YRS is no longer. What happened - does anyone know. I knew Sheridan was ill, but had not heard he passed away. If these people are coming out and Sheridan is deceased - then I don't believe them. If Sheridan is alive - I hope he defends himself. I read his book and from emails I shared with him - he was able to provide the FBI with a very good alibi - he was NOT in the USA on Nov 24 1971. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

He he he he - Don't get me started Georger! I have this ridiculous he he laugh and when I read your post above I broke out in one of my he he moments and I still have a smile on my face.

Wonder why Jerry thinks I am talking to the FBI? I haven't said that. As for TV - the only mention of this was thru Blevins and haven't spoke to anyone. Wonder where Jerry gets all of these ideas? Yes, there are somethings going on - but, I am not privey to FBI information. Sure, I called them about what I found in WA before I left and I spoke to the MOUTH PIECE (not a real agent) twice since I was out there in Oct of 2011. Wonder if Jerry even knows who the agent of record is and if he has ever had a sit down conversation with him? Others have done so. Nothing I ever said to the FBI was negative about another suspect other than what I wrote in the forum (Cooper had dark brown eyes and Cooper DID NOT have hazel eyes). I don't agree on the other suspects and I looked at all of them as objectively as I can....that one thing (dark brown eyes) is hard to get past. Oh. well - I am tired - I just stuck my head in the thread to see what was going on and got hit with a HAMMER - been a long haul. I have a lot of thing I have to get ready in the next few days. Trying to get my house on the market. Like I said before - I am making some CHANGES. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Have you been hitting the vodka? duroc.