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Do you know if this is at least anticipated to be skydiver-friendly ?

The SX44 does not show up on SonyStyle Canada. Has anyone jumped this camera ? That price seems too good to be true. You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

Absolutely, positively, beautifully put. Thank you for saying that. I hope it sinks in with the collective. EDIT : had to change the title from STFU !! You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

+++++1 You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

I'm sure you can setup a backdoor of sorts but RSS saves time and effort. You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

It's been a while since the last post, we're in the future now with all these people-moving conveyors everywhere and jetpacks for everyone. Is it safe to bring this request back to the table yet ? People have mentioned that RSS doesn't work well for forums. I disagree. If certain forums like Incidents popped up in my RSS reader with new content, I would know that its time to come over to the dz.com to get the full story. Similarly for Classifieds, if I'm shopping for something specific, I'll know right away if something new pops up. I think it works more like an indicator of new content rather than a reader, I'll still end up coming to the site to get the content anyway so everyone wins. Just some thoughts, I hope this topic comes to the forefront again. You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

That is actually really nice. The canopy shots that Dmitry posted earlier were hard to gage but that tandem shot turned out very nice. This obviously pales in comparison to a good DSLR but it looks like a good lightweight alternative for non-pro jumpers. thanks for posting that. You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

Any examples of some of your shots? Preferably in freefall with tandem or freefly ? Thanks You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

Don't have the same problem, but I do have the 3 year extended warranty . You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

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Thank you very much for this information ! You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

I don't feel like re-reading the whole thread, but I don't think we are talking about skill. We are talking about completing STUDENT status and taking responsibility for yourself and your own safety. Skill is not a jump number, a license or a safety net. Again, no one is saying that once you get your "A" you are on your own. You are very much in need of further guidance and mentoring for a long time after. But don't "expect" everyone to run up to wipe your ass when you are done shitting any more. With the "A" license comes RESPONSIBILITY. To yourself and to your fellow skydiver. You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

...have you considered writing a book ??!! You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

Well said GATO, you really have to think outside the box when you are new to the sport. You don't immediately see things the way they really are, and you struggle to understand them (my personal experience). But with time, you get it. You can begin to understand the statement that UFK22 made earlier : We must maintain a balance between bureaucracy and freedom in this sport. We can't allow a few individuals to evoke great change and affect the greater population of the sport who do not need to be spoon fed everything. You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

That is all part of the discussion Saskia, I asked : I just wanted to know, what are the rules in each country and what are the effects of those rules. Helmet YES or NO? Lots of tandem instructor helmet-related injuries YES or NO? Everyone is SO against rules, but it is only by incident and rule amendment, that we have gotten to where we are today, which includes your example of increasing the T.I. jump minimum to 1000. This was obviously a "rule" derived from statistical data from around the world. I say again, this topic may very well be bullshit, if it is to you, then move on. If there is more real input into the subject, I'd love to hear it. You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

Rob, I've lost track of the 15 pages of posts for that fatality : Wingsuit Fatality Post . Diesel's original question was : Based on the Sebastian wingsuit incident, I would like to start a related discussion. At what point are 'instructors' no longer responsible for others around them? Thats where I feel there have been many good posts here. Ultimately, what SHOULD or shouldn't be done by others will not keep you alive. YOU, following your pre-A training that teaches you to ALWAYS ask for gear checks prior to boarding and in the plane; that is what ULTIMATELY will save your life. 100 jumps getting on a wingsuit ?? Some have proposed that everyone but the deceased was responsible for his death. What this discussion touches on is that for the most part, novices dont push limits, and instructors steer you in the right direction and don't make mistakes. BUT, if a novice is relentless in pursuing something that they know they shouldn't be doing, coupled with an instructor making a mistake (allowing the WS jump and forgetting to check legstraps), the chance of bad shit happening is exponentially increased. Thats where the NOVICE, and no one else, has to be completely on the ball and in control of their own destiny. A gear check was not requested, therefore it was not given. I hope I'm not coming across as harsh, that is not my intention. When you receive your A license in the mail and you sign that card (SOLO in Canada), that is a contract. That contract states that the governing body feels that you have completed the minimum requirements for self-supervised skydiving. The other end of that contract is your signature that certifies that you understand your responsibility to yourself and the sport as a self-supervised skydiver. I understand if we're talking about students, but we're not. People don't take their licenses seriously enough. You have to be accountable to yourself. The guy didn't die from a wingsuit, he died because his legstraps were not on . . . First Jump Course training - How to don your gear. (again, I apologize if the tone of my message seems harsh) You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

Those are both good questions : Is it personal when another human is attached to you? Just wondering. I'm struggling with this topic in my own head. If we attach joy-riders to us, is it not then an applicable situation to apply "universal" rules? That's similar to my question earlier, what are the numbers? Again, maybe this is a bullshit topic, I just can't come to a conclusion for myself, which is why I'm looking here to get all the angles. I hope others respond. You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

I'm glad I read through this forum, some great points were made : DSE - POPSJUMPER - UFK22 - The "argument" that dragged on throughout this thread was so senseless. The original post by Diesel was answered well, instructors DO NOT have power to make anyone do anything. How this is being misinterpreted as instructors washing their hands of a situation is beyond me ?? Let's generalize and agree that almost all instructors will definitely give advice, offer help and safety checks and help up-and-comers make better decisions. Once those recommendations are given, thats where the buck stops, there is no "authority". If someone ignores it, that instructor is not obligated to follow that individual around and physically prevent them from doing anything. Commenting to DZO's and S&TA's is all they can do. I really don't believe there is a grey area here, once you have your "A", you and only you are responsible for you. There is a wealth of knowledge, experience and mentoring available to you, but you must seek it out and tap into it. (even though at most places I've been, its being handed to you on a silver platter) AndyM148 - you make a good point too, the "acting" JM on a load should have control over seating, jumprun, etc. It's not exactly related to the topic though. People with instructor ratings (even coach ratings), do not own the responsibility of every up-and-comer around them. We as skydivers, are solely responsible for ourselves and "should" look out for each other, regardless of what letters are behind our names. SLJ678 - you shouldn't feel like you've been ganged up on. You should look out for me, just as I should look out for you. No one in this forum ever said that they don't care about students or up-and-comers. Responsibility and blame are ridiculously touchy subjects in this sport, especially when a fatality is involved. Just keep an open mind to some of the great comments and advice that have been written here. - cheers !

Interesting thing to note here, it seems that there are opposing mentalities on the subject between neighboring countries around the world : MANDATORY_______________NOT MANDATORY Canada______________________United States New Zealand_________________ Australia Germany_____________________Netherlands I wonder if there are other similar examples? Also, why does such a divide exist? Shouldn't something like this be universally YES or NO ? You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

Now now, I'm not throwing around the "R" word in hopes of pushing any more rules onto the sport. I do often pause though when an aspect of this sport appears to have double standards. Why such strict rules for first-time solos, but when you are just a first-time joyrider, your life is in the hands of someone whom rules do not apply to ? I was mainly looking for examples of problems with no helmets which, aside from one above, there doesn't seem to be an abundance of. Obviously this is not that big of an issue. You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

Thanks for all the great responses. If helmets are required when you are a solo student, I just can't wrap my mind around the lack of requirement for tandem instructors. Basically, the person in control needs to protect their head (in-air collision with camera flyer, exit head impact at the door, etc.). The student in front of the T.I. is just baggage, I can understand (not necessarily agree with) why they don't need a helmet, but the instructor, who is the pilot, is exposing him/herself to more risks, no ?? If the T.I. gets knocked out, what are the chances of the student pulling ? Then, what will the canopy ride be like (main or reserve), probably not pretty. That being said, how many incidents have their been where lack of head protection was responsible for an injury or death on a tandem? It may be a non-issue. Thanks again for all your input. You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

I've done a half-assed search and I did not find my specific question. So I ask : What are the hard and fast rules for tandem instructor's wearing helmets ? Is there a global rule? Do manufacturers get involved? How do rules in different parts of the world compare? If helmets are not mandatory, I'd like to know why? What is the reasoning ? Thanks in advance. You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

I can't help it, I really have to re-open this dialogue again about the HC5 sidemount. Looking at many other sidemount setups in this forum, can anyone truly say that the FF3 is that much bigger than many other side mounted setups ? To top off the discussion, do regular FF3/HC5 users have any additional feedback now that you've used the setup for a longer period of time ? Thanks for all your input. You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

Here's a start : CAMERA http://cameras.about.com/cs/digitalcamera101/a/glossary.htm CAMCORDER http://camcorders.about.com/od/camcorderglossary/Camcorder_Glossary.htm ... but I'm sure DSE has a few better resources up his sleeve.

I'm pretty sure he meant everyone that is qualified, not just everyone. The point of the discussion is what criteria are required for safety and fairness among all of the qualified safe and skilled vidiots. I like the idea of a single source to set and evaluate the criteria (be it DZO or lead vidiot). Standardization is the key. It brings up another point where different people at the same dropzones, with completely different video styles. This has been known to cause problems because inevitabley, one will be better than the other and if you get a group of friends show up for tandem with vid, you can bank on a complaint if one video is "awesome" and the other is merely ok. While its fun to have each camera flyer add their own personal touch or trademark, overall the vids should be standardized. Or maybe I'm way off base here ? You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.