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Pyke, tell Joe, Becka and all them other damn heathens that it was great seeing them this past weekend.

I am going to sit here on my ass, staring out the window at the fairly gloomy weather for another 20 minutes, then haul ass to the GB rigger loft (and skymonkey bar). I have to completely reassemble my rig after washing the residue from the Pond Swoop Nationals off my Odyssey and reserve freebag. That being done, I am going to pound a few Rolling Rocks and go home. The next few days are sketchy, but here is my best guess: Friday, most of the day: finish fixing my damn RV! My friend Scott Sheck and I have been working on it the past two days after dark, but are not nearly done. I should have it all sorted out by lunch. Next I will take the RV home (it is at a buddy's shop), and get to work cleaning it up after the Quincy Hell Ride 2001. That being done, my wife and I might get out to the DZ to hook up to 30-amp juice and start partying. This is PK weekend at Raeford, so there ought to be a big crowd. Several out of town ex-Raefordites will be showing up, so it ought to be a good reunion. (Clay: L.B. will be here. Scott is already here). Saturday: Weather permitting, my wife and I are heading to either Kings Dominion or Carowinds for the day. I promised her an amusement park day earlier in the summer, but have never found the time. If the weather prognosis is bad, we might just stay in town and hang at Raeford all weekend. That, or pile in the car and drive up to New York for a party, and hit the swoop meet in Newton, NJ. I had planned on competing for sure in that event, but have zero practice on my Competition Cobalt 65, so it is unadvisable. My 75 is being modified in Monroe,GA by Joe Bennett and ought to be back by now, but no word yet. Either way, I will be drinking like a viking at night. Sunday and Monday: Weather permitting, I am going to be skydiving my ass off at Raeford. Drinking like a viking and staying up for several days is not out of the question. Chuck

Tube Stoes (brand name) Stows: what they are

Disclaimer: Clay did not attend an FJC that I taught. But, since he mentioned it: both of the military skydiving clubs on Fort Bragg teach SL courses at least once a month, sometimes twice a month. Classes run from Monday thru Friday and are from 6pm-9pm nightly. The course sylabus is very detailed and covers much more than most schools. For example, packing is taught and you are signed off to pack your own main before you ever make your first skydive. Some instructors who are less experienced and ramble a bit can take as long as four evenings to get through the written sylabus, but I generally do it in two nights. The students then come in during lunch the rest of the week and after work to finish their packing. "Slow" students are given one-on-one attention as we have a TON of instructors and riggers in the military clubs. AFF students sit in on the SL ground school when possible, thus cutting down on DZ prep time. Tandem students are briefed on the DZ and recieve additional ground training if and when they transition to the other programs. Students are not charged for any of the advanced coaching that people pay for at big dropzones. Water training? Free. Packing? Already told you it was free. Wanna learn to rig? Free. Want to rent complete sets of modern gear? $30 all weekend. Piss poor dropzones are the ones that give you a two hour class, kick you out the door, then only talk to you when you open your wallet again. Piss poor is charging someone to teach them to pack. Piss poor is charging them $30 to jump under a parachute in a pool for 15 seconds. Piss poor is taking $2,000 from some poor slob for seven AFF jumps, then sending them off and telling them they are "good to go." Unbelievable. Chuck

I do not have any skydiving tattoos, but DO have an awful lot of others. Both of my legs, from the knees down, are fully covered. It is a deep sea-type motif, with lots of tropical fish and sea creatures, a chainsaw fish (doesn't exist in nature), a diver with flames on his tank, some negative space which approximates kelp, and the rest is blue water and coral. VERY FUCKING COOL work done by Greg Eppy, the owner of Paradise Tattoos in Key West, FL. My right upper-arm is covered with a biomechanical shark and some wierd shit in a quarter sleeve. Aaron Cain did it. Left arm has my motorcycle club insignia done as a band and another club-related icon. I have thought about some skydive related stuff, but as often as I change gear, it might not be prudent to get a jumper. Chuck

I have stumbled many a drunken mile on the river walk.

I have jumped at a LOT of dropzones and here are my two absoulute favorites: Raeford Parachute Center (my home DZ). Raeford has grown a lot since I started jumping there in 1984. It has always had twins since I started jumping, but when they made the transition to turbines, the atmosphere really started to change. Formerly a bastion of classics competitors from around the world (literally), it has metamorphasized into a fantastic multi-discipline DZ. There are two Twin Otters here and one CASA 212, as well as two 182's. We generally only fly one of the Otters, but the other two turbines are on call. There is also a twin bonanza that doesn't get flown anymore, but gets adorned with lights every year at Christmas; very cool. Raeford has a full service restaurant and bar which has all ABC permits. It is open early for breakfast and late for partying. It has bands occasionally and drunken, redneck, karaoke one night a weekend. I rate this bar/ restaurant on the same level as the Bombshelter in Perris. Raeford also is home to SkyKat gear shop. This is not some single-wide trailer sitting on the property; it is a NICE shop with lots of inventory. We have a full-service loft (the Auger Inn) which is the maker of MonkeyFist pilot chutes among other things. We have Zero Time which is a complete aviation repair/ rebuild/ fabrication facility. We have Raeford Skydiving Service, which offers all the standard instruction, plus freefly, skysurf, and advanced rating instruction. We have 30-amp (very important!) RV hookups ($20 per day), free camping, and outstanding atmosphere. The entire DZ is smooth grass. There is a lot of shade, plus covered packing and creeping areas. I could go on and on, but suffice it to say that this is a great DZ with a decidedly small-DZ flavor. The Ranch Parachute Club in Gardiner, NY. The Ranch could easily top my list if it only had a couple of things: proper RV hookups and a bar/restaurant onsite. There is no other DZ in the world that I have visited that has the vibe of The Ranch. It is a very busy DZ that has a great staff, ample organizers for any discipline you practice, and very friendly regulars. Camping is free, but if you want to hook your RV up, you are pretty much out of luck, so I hope you have a generator. The snack bar is OK for grabbing a bite during the day, but it closes at dusk. There are bars and restaurant out the ass just a short while away, but having one onsite would make more money than I could imagine. If you have a car or can hitch a ride, New Paltz is six miles away and it is VERY cool. The Ranch flies at least two turbines back to back, all day long. First load goes up there MUCH sooner than here at Raeford and the pace does not stop all day up until dark. Club members erect campsites in the woods and can keep them there all season. There must be at least 50 tents and shacks in the woods. I can personally guarantee that anything and everything goes on at that place. Pick a crowd, any crowd. The entire DZ is nice and grassy. There is a beautiful view of the Shawangunk mountains. There is a large swoop pond just begging you to chow in it. The Ranch kicks ass and I make it there at least once a year.

I do not pay retail for parachute gear, but I think the cost for a custom, factory paint job is $100. Those that have seen mine can attest to it's righteousness. I mean it is fucking bad-ass! Chris (the owner of Bonehead) personally painted mine. There are plenty of people that do great jobs doing custom paint on helmets nowadays. Aloha Air is outstanding and every one of theirs is different. I just had my wife's Mindwarp painted by a motorcycle painter. Very nice. Chuck

Tube Stoes. Period. I don't have time to go dicking around looking for rubber bands on every jump and I am ALWAYS in a hurry on the DZ. I do have one of the new "super bands" on one of my stows that I got from a guy after finally breaking one of my tube stoes; it is holding up well, so I would not be averse to replacing more as they break. I generally get very long use out of my tube stoes because I take time to install them nice and tight on the stow bars and I have a method of stowing lines that does not stretch the stows unneccesarily. Chuck

I have jumped a 150 with the door on and our old 1937 Aeronca Chief with the door on. Just kind of pushed out and tumbled to the rear. Not a very big deal, but very cramped inside with a rig on.

"check my pud" "when I pulled my pud" "hey, your pud is hanging out" "lets do a four way" "she chowed the big one"

We used to all regularly land at my dad's ranch on the last lift of the day. Some of us even landed in the pool on occasion. If it is only a few people, or if you are not in crowded airspace, then it's not a big deal at all and you can be pretty safe winging it. NOTAMS are not a big deal to file, so doing one for a pre-planned event is the norm. Jumping out of a plane that is not being flown by a jump pilot is something entirely different. The extra drag created by a jumper out there on the step for any period of time is very alien to recreational pilots. Some pilots are not comfortable flying with the door off. From personal experience, I can tell you that it is a complete bitch to exit a plane with the standard door still in place. Chuck

Yes, you can cook then all you like. There are only two shell sizes: S-L, and XL and above. The sizes are adjusted by replacing the pads, which are cheap. If you call Jeanie at Bonehead she will send you the size pads you need for your used lid. Chuck

I will let Dan answer up with the technical specifications, but the Onyx is a tri-brace which is styled more along the lines of current paragliders. This more-eliptical design will have greater efficiency than what is currently available, thus giving additional glide at the same airspeed. That is what is needed to snatch the swoop distance crown, and as a factory pilot I will be right at the front of the line to get mine. I am very excited.

The difference in the Cobalt, both competition and stock, and the FX and VX is pretty substantial. Cobalt openings are fantastic, FX/VX (especially VX) openings are very odd. They dance around a bit, then surge very hard. My VX-74's lines would regularly go slack on this surge. It is much easier to dial a Cobalt landing than either of the other two mains you mentioned. Before my VX, I was jumping an Alpha 84. I was getting righteous swoops with that main. When I got my VX, it took me nearly a month to get the thing where I could regularly achieve the swoop lengh I was getting with the Alpha. It is just a lot more work. Some of those that do nothing but swoop in wide open spaces without fear of running into student traffic, etc, do better than me under a tri-brace, but my teammates and I kick ass on quite a few guys flying VX's. The competition Cobalt has the added bottom end speed to carry it into "the corner" where the canopy's lift can better be translated into swoop length. Bottom line is that it opens at least as good as a stock Cobalt, but in the hands of a very tuned-in pilot (who might otherwise be jumping a VX or Xaos) it can be swooped farther quicker, which is what we need in some of the canopy swooping events. The speed event in the PPPB tour is one of them; distance another. The Cobalt and it's race-only brother will serve me just fine until the release of the Atair Onyx; the upcoming tri-brace that is COMPLETELY different than what is currently out there. Chuck

Concerning linesets on Xaos mains: some of their factory pilots use continuous HMA and others use cascaded spectra. There was a Xaos jumper in the pond swoop nationals that had an HMA line break or at least come untacked. Those lines are very thin. Chuck

Cats are fundamental. Dogs can be if they are trainable. Our cats: Kitty: a neutered male, black, domestic short hair. He is very loyal to me and sleeps at the foot of our bed most of the day and all night. He meows incessantly when I am out of town. Fairly large. Swaps alpha dominance back and forth with: Mowgli: A gray-mix domestic shorthaired female. All of our pets are fixed. Six toes and big eyes, just like you find at Ernest Hemingway house in Key West. Shares dominance with Kitty. Likes to attack: Thelma and Louise: Fraternal sisters from the same litter, but completely different. Thelma is a big, fat, black cat. She likes to run around and climb the scratching post and trees. Louise is a slender brown-mix that is quite bashfull. She will rub on you, but is very hesitant to let you rub on her. Definitely likes her own space and normally only comes inside when she is hungry. Normally under attack by Mowgli and Kitty. She will not use the pet door because she is afraid of our dog: Billy Bob: a black and white Lopsided-Cock, which is to say a Lhaps-Apsa (spelling?) and Cocker Spaniel mix. He looks like a straight haired cocker with an un-docked tail; a very good looking pooch. I used to also have his brother, Jack Ass. Jack Ass and Billy Bob were both names I gave them. It seemed perfectly reasonable to me. Jack Ass was an angry little dog and he did not mix well with others, so he was relocated to another neighborhood. Billy Bob is very well mannered and has never, ever tried to hump anyones leg. His only problem, period, is that he refuses to be completely house broken. This idiot is three years old now and if you give him full run of the house, he is certain to pee on something if you let him out of your sight. We gave him every opportunity to comply, but then my wife couldn't take him ruining our persian rugs and hardwood floors anymore. No amount of corrective training ever worked, so now he is relegated to the laundry room (heated, airconditioned, carpeted) and back yard. We have a pet door there that is just big enough for him to fit through (we weighs about 35 pounds) and is easy for the cats to get through. He would love for the cats to pay him more attention, but they rarely do nowadays unless they need their ears or asshole cleaned. Yummy! LOL! He gets walked every day and we have a huge fenced yard, but he could use some more attention. Chuck

I agree that Clay was definitely trying to feel her up. Chuck Muff 2857

Actually, of the very-few competition Cobalts in existence, all that are regularly jumped open better than a stock Cobalt in the opinion of their pilots. I believe Ramon's friend got Dan's 95, which I believe is actually a Howard Mod and not a true CC. At any rate, my teammates Bryan Harrel at Elsinore and Tony Canant in South Carolina absolutely swear by theirs and wouldn't ever care to own a stock one again. The competition Cobalt is not a parachute for the average recreational jumper. It is designed for the person that wants to reap the absolute maximum performance out of a "conventional", non cross-braced eliptical. Turns are much quicker and the dive is much steeper than a stock model. While the bottom end on a stock Cobalt is very powerful, the competiton model is even more so. In my limited experience under the competition model - I have been competing all this year so far with a stock 75- I can say that that task-specific main flies like a parachute one size smaller, but has the lift of the larger size and more forward speed. I just put a competiton 65 in my container yesterday and will be putting about 100 jumps on it to get it dialed for the next meet. I sent my stock 75 home with Joe Bennett (Skydive Monroe) to have him do the Howard Mod to it. Basically, the Howard Mod is what I would call half a competition Cobalt. Triangles are sewn to the front of the ribs with suspension lines- the loaded ribs- closing off more of the nose and providing lateral bracing. The competiton cobalt has the triangles on all the ribs and the bottom skin is cut back on the loaded ribs, thus moving the A-lines back almost an inch. This allows for better pressurization which is needed with so much of the nose blocked off. A stock canopy with the triangle-type "Howard" mod done to all the ribs- not just the loaded ones- will barely open, thus the cut-back bottom skin on the competion model. A true competition Cobalt is a dream to fly in the right person's hands. The Howard Mod can be done to almost any performance main. It is VERY popular in the south and is regularly done to Alpha/Space canopies and Heatwaves. Cost (for me at least) was $150. Check with Dan or look at the website, but the competion Cobalt runs several hundred dollars more than a stocker. Chuck Team Atair Muff Brother# 2857

Agreed. The Viper flew "similar" to a Stiletto, but in my opinion better. I had a 150 in one of my extra rigs for a while and really liked it. I really just bought it to re-sell, but would have liked to keep it as a demonstration main. Openings are great, packing is a breeze, and they can be had for a song in the used market. Toggle range is deeper than a Stiletto, just like every other performance parachute on the market. Your Viper 105 will fly and perform almost exactly like a Stiletto 107, but not be nearly as twitchy. Enjoy. Chuck Team Atair

Nice! Better for tweaking! Anyway, I too am a Bonehead Mindwarp (fully factory custom painted and pimped, of course) kind of guy. Did you say you were going to mount a camera? If not, then I definitely recommend the Mindwarp. You cook it and form it to your head for a truly custom fit. I never liked Invertigos because of the way the chin pieces were; very brittle. I have several friends who broke them putting them on their heads. The replacement, the Hurricane, is a nicer helmet in my opinion. I wouldn't jump an Invertigo X for any reason unless I was putting cameras on it, but in that case I would just buy a proper camera helmet, like a Bat rack. Chuck

I hope that wasn't a troll. Anyway, almost any eliptical or semi eliptical 9-cell will give you the added glide you are looking for. Caution: do not be jumping a Stiletto with a wingsuit. If ever there was a canopy that was known for spinning, off heading openings, that is it. You need a very predictable-opening main for wing suits. That is not to say that I didn't really like Stilettos for the six years that I jumped them (sizes 107 and 97). It's just today there are far better performing, yet more managable mains; the Crossfire and Cobalt among them. Both of those canopies can be and are flown regularly at wingloads far less than the 1.8 you quote. Both open fantastically and on-heading. Both can also be flown well over 2.0:1 by people with the right experience (which you do not yet possess). The Safire and Sabre 2 were also both mentioned as a good next main for you. Given those choices, I would definitely take the Sabre 2 because of it's better "bottom end." Chuck

Absolutely. This was a great event and it drew the absolute best pilots in the country. There was no way anyone there was going to get away with doing stupid shit; that was evident by the detail of the safety briefing and rules explanation. There is absolutely no one to blame for this unfortunate accident, inluding Lisa. Also, yes, she was taken care of to the best ability of the very-capable people on the scene. I, unfortunately, have seen impacts to that same degree on at least five occasions. After seeing one of those people fully recover to skydive again, I had hoped that Lisa might be that lucky. The skydiving community lost a fine person, and by no fault of her own that I could see. Chuck

OK, here it is. I just got home at 5:30 this morning after having competed this weekend in the Pond Swoop Nationals. This event was the largest gathering ever of professional swoopers in any event, sanctioned or otherwise. I believe we had 72 total entrants! The competition consisted of eight jumps which were broken down as follows: -two rounds of swoop accuracy in which you swoop the pond and kick foam rubber buoys. -two rounds of inline distance in which you are judged on your longest uninterupted contact with the water. -two rounds of carving in-lane swooping with the same judging criteria as above. -one round of freestyle canopy expression/water displacement. -one round of raft accuracy in which you swooped the pond, then attempted to land right on top of a mattress. All but one event was run out of a Twin Otter with competitors being broken down into groups of four. Five groups were put on a load, with each group given an individual pass. Exit altitude was generally 4,000 feet. Teams were forced to sort out their spacing on their own. Normally, the person with the highest wingload went first and hummed it down a bit. Lightest wingload dumped right out the door and then the entire stack got down as fast as they could in an orderly manner so as to make way for the next pass. Traffic problems were rare, but a few re-jumps were allowed for various reasons, generally resulting from having to weave in and out of tandems and fun jumpers. After my mediocre performance at the Perris PPPB meet, I knew I needed to get to the DZ and practice on the actual pond. I drove up from North Carolina after my teammate Tony Canant arrived from Charleston, SC. We got to The Ranch late Wednesday evening and settled in. I made five practice jumps Thursday in perfect wind-free conditions before the rain came that afternoon. Friday was windy in the morning and early afternoon, but calmed down enough for me to get five more practices in. We had the competitors briefing at around 8:30 pm on Friday. I couldn't believe how many people were there to compete! The meet organizers did not think this big of a group would show up and had to have additional competitor shirts printed that day. The briefing was short and to the point, then everyone continued socializing with friends old and new. Saturday morning, competitors, judges, and staff all met at the pond for the event brief. Once rules were clarified, the 20 minute call was given and it was game on. Both rounds of swoop accuracy were completed, then the course was changed to the inline course. The buoy lines were set at 4 and a half feet apart and ran the length of the pond. After two rounds of that, the course was curved and the carve event started. It was getting late in the day, so the event staff decided to do round two of the carve first thing Sunday morning. Everyone was stoked that the event was going so well. The only gripe that some people had, myself included, was the subjectivity of the scoring. All events were broken down into two catagories: swoop points and style points. Swoop points were given for executing the required task to a specific standard for each event (number of buoys kicked, total distance of foot drag, etc.), but a score of zero was given if you "chowed", which is to say you didn't make it out of the pond to standard. You were scored from one to ten in this catagory. Style points were awarded by each judge and were also from one to ten. These scores varied wildly from judge to judge and from competitor to competitor. What one swoop might score for one guy (or girl) , might not get you nearly the same. Just to back-track a tiny bit: a swoop that might draw the dreaded chow flag for one competitor might get judged "clean" for the very next competitor. Several jumpers contested their scores and rulings; some successful, some not. This inconsistency worked both for and against competitors. For example: I hit four buoys on one accuracy run, but only got a score of 48 out of 80 possible. I saw several people score higher than that after only hitting three buoys. Odd, and I really couldn't see how they quantified some of the scores. In the distance events, some people that chowed recieved higher scores than those that completed the swoop to standard. The consensus was that the minimum score for a clean run ought to be higher than the maximum score for a chow, thus allowing competitors with a consistent style a better chance. To many, it seemed like higher scores were given to those that went big and failed, than to those who were in the groove, but just couldn't swoop shore-to-shore. Don't think I am bitching and unhappy, because I am absolutly not. I did the best I could and after a chow in one round wasn't going to finish in the money anyway. I really did have a blast. Anyway, on to Sunday. We all got up and met back out at the pond for the day's briefing. The aircraft was fired up and off we went. The second round of carving was done first, then the bouys were pulled out of the water. The fire truck was cranked up and they tried to get the water arc shooting, but the wind was making it disperse into more of a mist than the judges cared for, so we did the freestyle expression/water displacement event without it. This event was run out of Billy Richards' very-nice helicopter. It holds four jumpers, so the round took a while to complete. The good thing was that most of the competitors were on the ground for this one and as such, all got to see the other guys runs. Very nice! The odd winds really put a damper on some of the runs on Sunday. J.C. Colclasure, a world-class swooper, had to bail on one run and barely got any water at all. Some OUTSTANDING swoops were thrown down by most competitors, though, and the crowd was incredulous. Several people took their swoops from shore to shore, straight downwind. Lots of people did double-footed layouts, some all the way to their faces. Some swooped, then popped up really high and did cool splashes. Very entertaining, but the best (and worst) were left to come. The last event was raft accuracy. The intent was to swoop the pond, then somehow land on top of this twin-bed sized raft. Out of the 70 competitors still competing, only TWO successfully landed on the raft: Shaylan Allmen and Josh Hulse. People were throwing down some MAD swoops in this event. It was absolutely the craziest and most fun thing to watch. Competing was even more fun! So, there I was on the Otter with my Atair teammates and the rest of the four-man groups. We had been having a blast in the competition and all chatted happily in the plane about how fantastic it was that nobody had been really injured in the contest. The worse thing up to that point was a twisted ankle and a bruised tail-bone. We were stoked! We came around for pass number three, my team's turn, and off I went with a jaunty salute to my swoopy brothers and sisters. I threw my 270 well out over the land and stuck a double footer deep down to my chest, then skipped up to the raft. I missed the grip with my right hand and barely fell off the other side for a chow. Oh well, it was great fun and I got lots of applause. My other two teammates came in and we all walked over to the packing area together. While we were laying out our gear, the fourth pass was coming in. This pass consisted of J.C. Colclasure and three girls: Maryanne, Brigitte Liss, and Lisa Gallagher. All three of the girls had just performed very well in the last round and were eagerly anticipating their turn at the raft. First up was J.C., followed by Maryanne. Next, catastrophe struck. Everyone watched in horror as Lisa made her turn, then had the rotors off the trees collapse her main, mid-dive. She went straight into the land on the near side, bounced up and flipped into the pond. Valiant efforts were made to revive her by medical personnel, but in the end she passed away. I did not know Lisa that well, but had seen her at two previous swoop competitions this year. She was nice, mature girl that impressed me with the way she carried herself. She and Andy Anderson were dating and looked to be supremely happy with each other. My condolences to Andy, her family, and everyone who was close to her. Rest in peace my swoopy sister! In the aftermath of the tragedy, the last pass left in the plane landed and the last load did not go up. The meet ended and the last round was not counted. The crowd broke up into little enclaves and dealt with it in very-different ways. Guy Wright and the staff kept the competitors updated as he got the news. Unfortunately, I had to leave on that sad occasion. I was very much in the mood to sit and drink heavily with my friends. In all, this was the most fun I have ever had at a parachute meet in my 20 years in the sport. Unfortunately, it is the second event I had been to in three weeks that had a fatality. This accident was not the fault of a botched turn. Mother nature reared her ugly head and took one of our own this time. It was very unfortunate, but most of us with any salt have seen it before. Reflect on this and drive on. Learn from it. Be cognizant of turbulence and avoid it. Canopy swooping events are getting a lot of attention nowadays. This meet had a very large cash purse and paid down to 7th or 10th place (I missed the awards ceremony). The people who compete in these events are not loose canons who go out and yank 180 degree toggle turns at 75 feet; they are people that fully understand the capabilities and limitations of what is over their head and what to do to wring the most performance out of it. People commiting unsafe acts are grounded and schooled on what they did wrong and how to do it right the next time. We professional competitors welcome you to join us. There is a lot to learn just by watching the really great pilots and their finesse under canopy. I am alway learning and improving at these meets. I take that knowledge and experience back home to my home DZ and try and school others on what I have seen and done. Safe canopy piloting instruction leads to safer practices in the air which leads to safer, more accomplished swooping. Ask questions, learn, have fun. Many thanks to Sonic, Guy, and the rest of the staff at The Ranch for doing a fine job with this event. Chuck Blue Team Atair

Old my ass! I will be 38 on September 14th. I listen to techno and vintage 1978 B-52's and the like. I have absolutely no tollerance whatsoever for fucking rap and hip-hop. What a bunch of fake tough-guy crap. You want tough talk, listen to Never Mind the Bollocks, this is the Sex Pistols or some nice old Dickies tunes. "fuck this and fuck that, fucking all those fucking fucked up blacks. She don't want a baby that looks like that, I don't want a baby that looks like that!" -Bodies. The Sex Pistols "Mongoloid, he was a mongoloid, he had one chromosone too many. Mongoloid, he was a mongoloid, and it determined what he could see." -Mongoloid. Devo Chuck old, but still gets pimples just like a damn 20 year old