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It's all about what's in your gun safe. My 401k is doing just fine.

SO I just saw a blurb about an article that was written. Basically it's about the hypocrisy of the left. The left wants to get rid of private gun ownership in this country. No private citizen needs to own weapons of war like these guns. The police will protect us. Donald trump is a fascist dictator. The Police are raciest and shoot blacks and minorities. So the solution is to concentrate all power in the hands of Donald Trump, the military, and police. Only the police will have guns. No blacks or minorities will be allowed to have guns or defend them selves. All power to do what ever he wants will be given to our dictator Donald Trump. Guaranteeing a leneage of control by this family. At least eight years under Donald, that's if he does not abolish the amendment limiting him to two terms. To be followed ether by Junior or Ivanka. I think she wants the power. By then The fascism should be solid grip on the nation for all time. So all of this was kind of tung in cheek but it is funny. I think it's rooted in the fact that they have still not realized that they have lost control of the government. They haven't come to grips with it yet. They just assume that the big government will always be their thing. Basically they have forgotten why the second amendment exist. It's actually there for a rather politically incorrect reason. The purpose of the second amendment is so the government can be over thrown. Sounds weird but it's true. The story of Paul Revere is the story of a gun grab by the government. The idea was to arrest a few head trouble makers and squash this little rebellion before it got off the ground. They had written orders to grab any gun or cannon they could find. With out them the uprising was over. And the revolutionaries were well aware of this. Years later they wrote the second amendment to insure that their decedents would never be caught off guard again. In principle it could be argued that the second amendment protects your right to own machine guns, hand guns, grenades, and tanks. It was never intended to protect hunting rifles, or sporting guns. And it was intended that these arms remain with the citizenry not under the control of the government. It was the government that they were intended to be used against. They are intended to protect blacks, minorities, the down trodden so that they should never fear their government. This is not the PC view put forward in polite society but it's true. It's just funny that the left, self proclaimed defenders of the oppressed victims of the country, side with the oppressors in disarming and holding down their victims that they are sworn to protect. So they oppose the second amendment in support of the fascist government that they abhor. Just steering shit. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

There are plenty of reasons to own guns. Setting the fun aside, I'll bet the value of my gun safe has a better return then most 401k's. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

Another one of those stupid/dangerous gizmos. Not full automatic. Some thing like that would be perfectly legal just a profoundly bad ideas. It just kind of highlights the silliness of gun laws. The fastest way to create a demand for some thing? Try to out law it. No one would ever want some thing like that if they had ever burned up ammunition in a full auto gun. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

"Your argument that more access to fully automatic weapons would create less demand for bump stocks is true as far as that goes. But it would only make the problem worse. Obviously. " Actually it would significantly reduce the popularity of machine guns. Before 82 or when ever it was, machine guns were not that big a deal. They were not expensive. They were not an investment. And they were a pain in the ass. The paperwork is a pain and if you want to know the truth they lose their charm real fast. You blow through ammo quite fast. It's great the first time. Then you have to buy another brick of ammo... after the third time you pretty much never shoot it again. Then you resale the fucking thing. It was the closing of the transferable registry that created this huge demand and market. And transferable machine guns NEVER or almost never are used in crimes. So the NFA was passed back in the 30's. So like 80 years ago. Do you know how many crimes have been committed with transferable machine guns in that 80 years? I actually would need to look this up, but for a long time it was 1. That's ONE as in singular. I thing there has now been a second crime committed with a registered transferable machine gun. Some one told me there had been a second. So if that law in the 80's had never been passed. Interest in machine guns would have never grown. No one would have ever had any motivation to create any of these fucked up triggers or stocks and some of them are pretty fucked up. They really are useless and some dangerous, not controllable, etc. There is a trigger where it fires when you pull the trigger and it fires again when you let go. So you fire one shot and your stuck. The gun is going to fire again whether you want it to or not when you let go. It's dangerous. I can't believe they make this. And I'm a gun guy. Maybe you could try to turn the safety on while you try to hold the trigger down... I don't know. Non of this stupid red neck shit existed before the law in the 80's. Bad news is there is no going back. All the class three guys will never ever let you repeal that law. They have their life savings tied up in over priced transferable guns. Like 10 or 20 times the value. They fuck up good when they passed that law. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

Here we go again. There was another thread on this not to long ago. Sorry. Don't recall the title. Yes you can fly flags like this. They are generally packed on the bottom of the canopy. Pack volume is huge. Need a larger slow canopy that can tolerate that amount of drag on it. Very different from hanging a flag below. Deployment more complicated. If you really want to do this call Red Pain at Flight Concepts International in Atlanta GA. Have him build a system for you. I'll tell you right now, it's easier to carry the flag in a belly mount and deploy it below you with a weighted leading edge. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

I did read it and they admit that it does not prove a direct causality. As it happens the states are also divided along economic and rural lines. It's interesting but less then conclusive You'd almost have to filter the data to compare along income brackets for example. Europe and the rest of the world is held up as this grand example of what we should do here in this country. Suicide rates with guns are under discussion. I'm simply saying that the US is on par with other developed countries in terms of suicide rates. If access to firearms was truly a driving factor then based on the Harvard study then you would expect other countries with no access to guns, Japan as an example to have 45% fewer suicides per capita then the US. In fact all of the first world countries are pretty equal in that regard. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

Suicide rates by country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate The US is not great. It's 48th world wide. It's kind of on par with a lot of the developed countries. US 12.6 vs. Europe 11.9. It's below Finland, Sweden, Belgium, Japan, and South Korea. Above France, Germany, Australia, Switzerland. The number of people that kill them selves per capita doesn't seem to relate to guns. So if more people in say Japan kill them selves then in the US with absolutely no access to guns how can suicides performed with fire arms in the US be blamed on the guns? They did find another way. So completely removing firearms from their society did not end or reduce the suicide rate in that country. Based on this I suggest that the suicides with fire arms should not be counted among gun deaths. That's 2/3 of the "gun deaths" on average in this country. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

Seems up to date to me: Deadliest U.S. mass shootings, 1984-2017 By LOS ANGELES TIMES STAFF OCT. 2, 2017 5:26 P.M. Here are some of the most notable mass shootings in the U.S. in recent decades. Tags: Public place School Workplace Worship place OCTOBER 1, 2017 59 killed, more than 500 injured: Las Vegas More than 50 people were killed and at least 500 others injured when a gunman opened fire at a country music festival near the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino on the Las Vegas Strip, authorities said. Police said the suspect, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock, a resident of Mesquite, Nev., was was found dead after a SWAT team burst into the hotel room from which he was firing at the crowd. Read more » JUNE 5, 2017 5 killed: Orange County, Fla. A gunman fatally shoots five former co-workers at an awning company near Orlando, Fla., then kills himself shortly before police arrive, authorities say. John Robert Neumann Jr., 45, was fired from his job there nearly two months earlier. JAN. 6, 2017 5 killed, 6 injured: Fort Lauderdale, Fla. After taking a flight to Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport in Florida, a man retrieves a gun from his luggage in baggage claim, loads it and opens fire, killing five people near a baggage carousel and wounding six others. Dozens more are injured in the ensuing panic. Esteban Santiago, a 26-year-old Iraq war veteran from Anchorage, Alaska, has pleaded not guilty to 22 federal charges. Read more » SEPT. 23, 2016 5 killed: Burlington, Wash. A gunman enters the cosmetics area of a Macy’s store near Seattle and fatally shoots an employee and four shoppers at close range. Authorities say Arcan Cetin, a 20-year-old fast-food worker, used a semi-automatic Ruger .22 rifle that he stole from his stepfather’s closet. Cetin, facing five counts of first-degree murder, dies in jail the following April; authorities call it an apparent suicide. Read more » JUNE 14, 2017 3 killed: San Francisco A UPS driver kills three coworkers and then himself at their San Francisco package facility using a stolen assault-style pistol, according to police. Police said 38-year-old Jimmy Lam began shooting at an employee meeting and targeted specific coworkers. Read more » JUNE 12, 2016 49 killed, 58 injured in Orlando nightclub shooting The United States suffered the worst mass shooting in its modern history when 49 people were killed and 58 injured in Orlando, Fla., after a gunman stormed into a packed gay nightclub. The gunman was killed by a SWAT team after taking hostages at Pulse, a popular gay club. He was preliminarily identified as 29-year-old Omar Mateen. Read more » DEC. 2, 2015 14 killed, 22 injured: San Bernardino, Calif. (Marcus Yam / Los Angeles Times) Two assailants killed 14 people and wounded 22 others in a shooting at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino. The two attackers, who were married, were killed in a gun battle with police. They were U.S.-born Syed Rizwan Farook and Pakistan national Tashfeen Malik, and had an arsenal of ammunition and pipe bombs in their Redlands home. Read more » Tagged as Public place NOV. 29, 2015 3 killed, 9 injured: Colorado Springs, Colo. (David Zalubowski / Associated Press) A gunman entered a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colo., and started firing. Police named Robert Lewis Dear as the suspect in the attacks. Three people were killed — university police Officer Garrett Swasey, Iraq war veteran Ke’Arre M. Stewart and Jennifer Markovsky, who had accompanied friends to the clinic. Each was the parent of two children. Read more » Tagged as Public place OCT. 1, 2015 9 killed, 9 injured: Roseburg, Ore. (Rich Pedroncelli / Associated Press) Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer shot and killed eight fellow students and a teacher at Umpqua Community College. Authorities described Harper-Mercer, who recently had moved to Oregon from Southern California, as a “hate-filled” individual with anti-religion and white supremacist leanings who had long struggled with mental health issues. He owned 14 weapons, all purchased legally. Harper-Mercer, 26, killled himself after exchanging gunfire with deputies. Read more » Tagged as School JULY 16, 2015 5 killed, 3 injured: Chattanooga, Tenn. Photos of four slain Marines are placed at a makeshift memorial at a military recruiting center in Chattanooga Photos of four slain Marines are placed at a makeshift memorial at a military recruiting center in Chattanooga (Joe Raedle / Getty Images) A gunman opened fire on two military centers more than seven miles apart, killing four Marines and a Navy sailor. A man identified by federal authorities as Mohammod Youssuf Abdulazeez, 24, sprayed dozens of bullets at a military recruiting center, then drove to a Navy-Marine training facility and opened fire again before he was killed. Read more » JUNE 18, 2015 9 killed: Charleston, S.C. Jessica Oliver leaves flowers on a memorial in front of the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church. Jessica Oliver leaves flowers on a memorial in front of the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church. (Getty Images) Dylann Storm Roof is charged with nine counts of murder and three counts of attempted murder in an attack that killed nine people at a historic black church in Charleston, S.C. Authorities say Roof, a suspected white supremacist, started firing on a group gathered at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church after first praying with them. He fled authorities before being arrested in North Carolina. Read more » Tagged as Worship place MAY 23, 2014 6 killed, 7 injured: Isla Vista, Calif. People participate in a memorial in People's Park in remembrance of those who were killed and injured by Elliot Rodger in Isla Vista on May 23, 2014. People participate in a memorial in People's Park in remembrance of those who were killed and injured by Elliot Rodger in Isla Vista on May 23, 2014. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times) Elliot Rodger, 22, meticulously planned his deadly attack on the Isla Vista community for more than a year, spending thousands of dollars in order to arm and train himself to kill as many people as possible, according to a report released by the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Office. Rodger killed six people before shooting himself. Read more » Tagged as Public place APRIL 2, 2014 3 killed; 16 injured: Ft. Hood, Texas Members of the media wait outside Fort Hood for an official statement. Members of the media wait outside Fort Hood for an official statement. (Deborah Cannon / Austin American-Statesman/MCT) A gunman at Fort Hood, the scene of a deadly 2009 rampage, kills three people and injures 16 others, according to military officials. The gunman is dead at the scene. Read more » Tagged as Workplace SEPT. 16, 2013 12 killed, 3 injured: Washington, D.C. Law enforcement personnel respond to an attack on office workers at Washington Navy Yard on September 16, 2013. Law enforcement personnel respond to an attack on office workers at Washington Navy Yard on September 16, 2013. (MCT) Aaron Alexis, a Navy contractor and former Navy enlisted man, shoots and kills 12 people and engages police in a running firefight through the sprawling Washington Navy Yard. He is shot and killed by authorities. Authorities later reveal that he had an extensive Navy disciplinary record that included several unauthorized absences from duty, instances of insubordination and disorderly conduct, one instance of being absent without leave, and several failed inspections. He was still able to get a security clearance and purchase a rifle. Read more » Tagged as Workplace JUNE 7, 2013 5 killed: Santa Monica Santa Monica Police Sgt. Richard Lewis speaks about the replica weapons and zip guns found during a search of John Zawahri's house. Santa Monica Police Sgt. Richard Lewis speaks about the replica weapons and zip guns found during a search of John Zawahri's house. (Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times) John Zawahri, an unemployed 23-year-old, kills five people in an attack that starts at his father’s home and ends at Santa Monica College, where he is fatally shot by police in the school’s library. Read more » Tagged as Public place DEC. 14, 2012 27 killed, one injured: Newtown, Conn. Responders gather at scene of a mass school shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School. Responders gather at scene of a mass school shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School. (Mario Tama / Getty Images) A gunman forces his way into Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. and shoots and kills 20 first graders and six adults. The shooter, Adam Lanza, 20, kills himself at the scene. Lanza also killed his mother at the home they shared, prior to his shooting rampage. In emotional remarks from the White House, President Obama wiped away tears. “Our hearts are broken today,” the president said. Photos | Full coverage Read more » Tagged as School OCT. 21, 2012 3 killed, 4 injured: Brookfield, Wis. Rescue personnel arrive at the Azana Salon and Spa Rescue personnel arrive at the Azana Salon and Spa (Michael Sears / Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel) Radcliffe Haughton, a 45-year-old former Marine, walks into the Azana Salon and Spa where his estranged wife works and shoots and kills her and two other women, wounding four others. Witnesses say Haughton’s wife, Zina, calmly tried to protect coworkers and customers before she was killed. She had recently sought a restraining order saying her husband had threatened to throw acid in her face and set her on fire with gasoline. Haughton was found dead inside the salon of a self-inflicted gunshot. Read more » Tagged as Public place SEPT. 28, 2012 6 killed, 2 injured: Minneapolis, Minn. At a fatal shooting in the Bryn Mawr neighborhood of Minneapolis, Minnesota, people are moved to a safe area from the crime scene Sept. 27, 2012. At a fatal shooting in the Bryn Mawr neighborhood of Minneapolis, Minnesota, people are moved to a safe area from the crime scene Sept. 27, 2012. (Richard Tsong–Taatarii / MCT) Andrew Engeldinger, 36, breaks into a sign company’s offices and opens fire, killing the owner and five others before turning the gun on himself. Engeldinger had been fired from Accent Signage Systems, a small company that specializes in making interior signs that comply with the Americans With Disabilities Act, including signs in Braille for the blind. Read more » Tagged as Workplace AUG. 5, 2012 6 killed, 3 injured: Oak Creek, Wis. People gathered at the Khalsa Care Foundation in Pacoima, for a candle vigil, to remember the victims of the Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting People gathered at the Khalsa Care Foundation in Pacoima, for a candle vigil, to remember the victims of the Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting (Jay L. Clendenin / Los Angeles Times) Wade Michael Page fatally shoots six people at a Sikh temple before he is shot by a police officer. Page, an Army veteran who was a “psychological operations specialist,” committed suicide after he was wounded. Page was a member of a white supremacist band called End Apathy and his views led federal officials to treat the shooting as an act of domestic terrorism. He had been administratively discharged from the Army in 1998 after being demoted in rank. Victims: Who they were Read more » Tagged as Worship place JULY 20, 2012 12 killed, 58 injured: Aurora, Colo. An Aurora Police Department detective takes a witness statement after the shooting July 20, 2012. An Aurora Police Department detective takes a witness statement after the shooting July 20, 2012. (AP) James Holmes, 24, is taken into custody in the parking lot outside the Century 16 movie theater after a post-midnight attack in Aurora, Colo. Holmes allegedly entered the theater through an exit door about half an hour into the local premiere of “The Dark Knight Rises.” He faces charges of of killing 12 people and injuring 58 others. Victims: Who they were Read more » Tagged as Public place APRIL 2, 2012 7 killed, 3 injured: Oakland Maria Campomanes and her daughter Maelauni, 9, leave flowers for Oikos University victims outside of the school in Oakland on April 4, 2012. Maria Campomanes and her daughter Maelauni, 9, leave flowers for Oikos University victims outside of the school in Oakland on April 4, 2012. (Jeff Chiu / AP) One L. Goh, 43, a former student at a Oikos University, a small Christian college, allegedly opens fire in the middle of a classroom leaving seven people dead and three wounded. Goh was charged with seven counts of murder with special circumstances and three counts of attempted murder. In a jailhouse interview with a San Francisco TV station shortly after the shooting, Goh said he was “deeply sorry” for his actions. Read more » Tagged as School OCT. 12, 2011 8 killed, 1 injured: Seal Beach, Calif. Mourners stop by to pay their respects at the door of Salon Meritage in Seal Beach on the morning after eight people were shot to death and a ninth wounded by suspected gunman Scott Dekraai October 13, 2011. Mourners stop by to pay their respects at the door of Salon Meritage in Seal Beach on the morning after eight people were shot to death and a ninth wounded by suspected gunman Scott Dekraai October 13, 2011. (Mark Boster/Los Angeles Times) Scott Dekraai, 41, apparently enraged over a custody dispute, allegedly walks into a crowded Seal Beach hair salon where his former wife works and opens fire. Eight people are killed, including a man sitting in a truck outside the salon. Another person is critically wounded. Dekraai has pleaded not guilty in the case. Read more » Tagged as Workplace JAN. 8, 2011 6 killed, 11 injured: Tucson, Ariz. President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama attend a memorial service for the victims of the shootings in Tucson, Ariz. President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama attend a memorial service for the victims of the shootings in Tucson, Ariz. (J. Scott Applewhite / AP) Jared Lee Loughner, 22, allegedly shoots Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in the head during a meet-and-greet with constituents at a Tucson supermarket. Six people are killed and 11 others wounded. Loughner is identified by witnesses as the gunman who fired at close range with a semiautomatic pistol before being tackled. Read more » Tagged as Public place AUG. 3, 2010 8 killed, 2 injured: Manchester, Conn. Omar S. Thornton, 34, a driver for Hartford Distributors, emerges from a disciplinary hearing and begins shooting, killing eight people at the family-owned distributorship and then himself. Read more » Tagged as Workplace FEB. 12, 2010 3 killed, 3 injured: Huntsville, Ala. Amy Bishop 45, a neurobiologist and assistant professor at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, shoots and kills 3 people at a biology faculty meeting. Bishop is later sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Read more » Tagged as Workplace NOV. 5, 2009 13 killed, 32 injured: Ft. Hood, Texas Sgt. First Class Noe Figueroa waits to get back on base outside Fort Hood's Clear Creek gate in Killeen, Texas, on Nov. 5, 2009, after a mass shooting on the base. Sgt. First Class Noe Figueroa waits to get back on base outside Fort Hood's Clear Creek gate in Killeen, Texas, on Nov. 5, 2009, after a mass shooting on the base. (Jay Janner / AP) Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, allegedly shoots and kills 13 people and injures 32 others in a rampage at Ft. Hood, where he is based. Authorities allege that Hasan was exchanging emails with Muslim extremists including American-born radical Anwar Awlaki. Read more » Tagged as Workplace APRIL 3, 2009 13 killed, 4 injured: Binghamton, N.Y. Mourners pray with relatives of shooting victims Lan Ho and Long Huynh outside the American Civic Association on April 5, 2009, in Binghamton, N.Y. Mourners pray with relatives of shooting victims Lan Ho and Long Huynh outside the American Civic Association on April 5, 2009, in Binghamton, N.Y. (Matt Rourke/AP) Jiverly Voong, 41, shoots and kills 13 people and seriously wounds four others before apparently committing suicide at the American Civic Assn., an immigration services center, in Binghamton, N.Y. Read more » Tagged as Public place FEB. 14, 2008 5 killed, 16 injured: Dekalb, Ill. Mourners place flowers Feb. 15, 2008, at a memorial for the five victims of the shooting on the Northern Illinois University campus in DeKalb, Ill. Mourners place flowers Feb. 15, 2008, at a memorial for the five victims of the shooting on the Northern Illinois University campus in DeKalb, Ill. (Associated Press) Steven Kazmierczak, dressed all in black, steps on stage in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University and opens fire on a geology class. Five students are killed and 16 wounded before Kazmierczak kills himself on the lecture hall stage. Read more » Tagged as School DEC. 5, 2007 8 killed, 4 injured: Omaha Terry Bradshaw, left, comforts his wife, Kim, center, and daughter Jamie, right, while they visit a memorial outside the Von Maur department store in Omaha, Neb., on Dec. 8, 2007. Terry Bradshaw, left, comforts his wife, Kim, center, and daughter Jamie, right, while they visit a memorial outside the Von Maur department store in Omaha, Neb., on Dec. 8, 2007. (Charles Rex Arbogast / AP) Robert Hawkins, 19, sprays an Omaha shopping mall with gunfire as holiday shoppers scatter in terror. He kills eight people and wounds four others before taking his own life. Authorities report he left several suicide notes. Read more » Tagged as Public place I think that's 317 or did I miss count? Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

You're defining things differently. One list is of four or more people killed in an incident. The link you posted is of four or more people injured. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

Actually it was published Oct 2 2017 and includes all mass shootings in america up to that day. It's the LA Times I don't think you claim any sort of right wing bias there. Heller did over turn their blanket hand gun ban in 2008 however IL is still on the list of most restrictive states requiring things like special licencing. If you look up any cool toy you'll find IL listed as one of the states they wont ship to. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

I'm old school so when I talk about Europe I mean the west. Not the Commie, eastern block side. I still think of them as the Soviet Union. The US data is right up to last week. I think it's pretty good there. I don't think 10 years constitutes cherry picking. The last few have been rough for them. That's why I looked back farther to 10 years which includes things like Sandy Hook, Aurora, and Fort Hood. It's a descent data set. And the data is interesting. There are fewer shootings in Europe because, well ordinary people don't have guns. It's not complicated. But that's not what we're talking about here. Mass shootings don't follow those rules. Europe is proof that a determined criminal can always get a gun no mater how strict the gun laws. The number of events is still a bit low for statistics but I think I can argue that the events tend to be worse. I think this is a result of fewer guns in the community. In some countries the police don't carry guns, at least not all of them. It think it leads to a longer response time till a good guy with a gun is on the scene. Europe has had more people die in the last ten years in mass shooting then the US. The events in Europe tend to be worse on average. On the other hand non mas shootings are significantly higher in the US and they're rather concentrated And oddly the concentrations are in cities with high levels of gun control. Chicago. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

Actually those numbers include all dead not just the ones shot with guns so I think if any thing it's scewed against my argument. Not cherry picking here. I mint to respond to this "Maybe it's because we insist on being a nation of war and death. We spend more on that than anything else. " https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/U.S._Federal_Spending.png Defense looks to be about 16% Most of our budget seems to be absorbed with healthcare and entitlements. Just about half in fact. Doesn't sound like a bunch of cold hearted killers to me. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

Some statistics. In 2010, 67% of all homicides in the U.S. were committed using a firearm.[7] In 2012, there were 8,855 total firearm-related homicides in the US, with 6,371 of those attributed to handguns.[8] In 2012, 64% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides.[9] In 2010, there were 19,392 firearm-related suicides, and 11,078 firearm-related homicides in the U.S.[10] In 2010, 358 murders were reported involving a rifle while 6,009 were reported involving a handgun; another 1,939 were reported with an unspecified type of firearm.[11] graph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Ushomicidesbyweapon.svg So yes people die with guns. Of that number approximately 2/3 of them are suicide. One third of that number are some form of homicide. "No person should be able to have these style weapons." Meaning any thing that is black and looks scary, note that they actually are not military or "assault weapons". How ever the vast majority of homicides in fact do not involve rifles or "assault weapons" of any kind, they are in fact committed with ordinary hand guns. Statistically, hardly any one is killed with an "assault weapon". If you were to remove all "assault wepions" from the country it would hardly change the statistics at all. And of all those deaths the majority of them, 2/3, are suicide. Tragic but I contend that the use of a gun was mearly convince. I think that points to the societal ills that I referred to. At this point you need to define the conversation. Are you talking about mass shootings? Or are we talking about gun deaths. You really can't use statistics from one to argue the other. These "assault weapons" are so evil, we must ban then because there are 33,000 thousand gun deaths a year. Despite the tragedy that just happened, the truth is that "assault weapons" are not used in most homicides. So the number of 33,000 two thirds of those being suicide, has no relevance to a conversation about mass shootings. Mass shooting out side the US. The US has a lot of guns. Probable more percapita then any other country in the world. We've been using France as an example. Well France is about the size of Texas and we have as many guns per person as any one in the country. I think Wyoming might have us beat but I'd have to check. They're good people up there. But lets take Texas. How many deaths have there been in mass shootings in Texas, in say the last five years, in comparison to France? I'm counting, I come up with 2 events in the last 5 years, totaling 8 persons killed, not counting the gun man. So let's go back 10 years. So now we include the Fort Hood shooting where 13 died. Now we're up to 21 over 10 years. How many people have been killed in France in the last 10 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_France There's a list. Not all with guns you have to read through it. And yes there are some horrendous spikes in that time frame like the massacre in the theater. But that's not the only one. Ok, so if you want to talk the whole US then it's only fair to look at... say all of Europe. Found a list for the US I'm not sure they all count but in the last 10 years I come up with a grand total of... 317 people killed in mass shooting in the last ten years http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/ I come up with 240 just in France. Can't find as good a list for all Europe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shooting#Europe You have to go through and reed about some of them. Norway was nasty. And this is in countries with some of the strictest gun laws in the world. Sorry I've been digging all through this as I tried to type. Not quite as coherent as I'd hoped but the point is that this is a universal problem and it's a relatively new problem. These events were not as common in the past and guns were even more common and accepted then. I remember when every truck had a gun rack. Don't see those much any more. They get stolen. Too much typing. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

Human society. What makes people healthy? I wish I could remember the name of the study. I saw this years ago when I was a kid. I don't think it could ever be done today because it was animal cruelty. Monkeys or apes I don't recall. They really are a good analog for humans. They are prone to all the neuroses of humans. That's why they never do well in captivity. They go insane. Most apes in captivity are in some way mentally ill. In any case the study involved child hood development. I involved raising baby apes in all different ways. Basically they were able to reproduce at will any type or neuroses they wished. I look at our society, our culture and I think there is an argument that we are raising generations of sociopaths that are disconnected from their actions. And then look at the division in our country. It's like in war where you have ministries of propaganda dehumanizing the enemy. They are fascist. They are biggits. They are raciest. They don't deserve free speech. Their words alone are an attack. Is it surprising that people can justify to them selves physical violence against these people that they disagree with? I think you will find as things come out that he was politically motivated. People talk about means, motive, and opportunity. The country is full of soft targets short of a fundamental change in our culture I don't think you could remove opportunity. No more crowds at sporting events, all broadcast. No more concerts. Mo more centralized malls. I mean is that a world that you would want to live in? People think they want to attack means. That if you could take away the means that this problem would go away. First there is the fallisy that you can take away the means. The idea that you could ever get rid of guns. France has some of the strictest gun laws around and the people there had no problem getting AK's for the attacks there. Look at how many people were slaughtered at that concert. That's in a country where there is absolutely no way for a person to own an AK. And contrary to popular beleafe it's not hard to build a gun. The 3D printed things are silly because the people doing them are idiots. Most of the parts are available off the shelf. There is no need to try to print a barrel. And Metal printing is coming. We are looking at a system right not. And that assumes that removing guns from our society would stop this. If he's filled a small plane, he was a pilot, with a small bomb and improvised napalm he would have done even more damage. And that's not even being creative. The use of guns is a result of the media attention that has been devoted to shootings. The Boston bombers didn't use their guns in the attack. Their is no practical way to stop people from doing hard if they are intent on killing people and not concerned with their own survival. Motivation is the most elusive leg you could attack. I do think that it is an indicator of the health of the society. I think it's a product of detachment, of divisiveness, and the stardom created by the media. I don't think these things will end till the society as a whole heals it self. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

I'm a gun rights guy. I'll say it. This is the danger that we face as a direct result of our freedom. It's called free will. It's a choice that every single person makes in their life every day. It's a moral and ethical choice. To do the right, honest, decent, good thing or the wrong, selfish, corrupt, evil one. To open the door, return the wallet, help the weak, and make the world a better place or the opposite. It doesn't have any thing to do with guns. It's a choice that's made a thousand times a day. When people fail in these test, small failures that will never be known or savage act that will live in infamy, it's a failure of society. There are a thousand tragedies every day. When a child takes their first drug. When a man cheats on his wife. When some one steals. Individual choices but collectively as a society. Cancer is just a cell in your body but the malignancy can kill you. The real issue is the moral/ethical balance of the nation. When did right and wrong become a question of whether or not you were caught? It doesn't have any thing to do with guns. What if it was a bomb. What if some one poisoned food or medicine. Remember Tylonal? It's not a question of means. A gun is not exactly a powerful weapon. Sorry, but it's not. Let's not talk about some of the things he could of done, I don't want to start giving people ideas. The problem is there will always be a means if an individual chouses to do evil. That's the root problem. People chousing to do evil. When you tare down education, logic, ethics, morality. When you disassembly the structures that bind communities together, like churches. As people lose connection they start to become sociopathic and psychotic. I'm setting here in front of a screen. You're setting in front of another screen reading it. How much humanity is left in the world when this is our reality. As human beings become less real it's easier to become detached, to lose empathy. How many of these mass shooters are captured alive? Very few. It's a new form of suicide. One that allows them to lash out at a world that they do not care about. It's fed by the stardom. The idea that their names, that were unknown, will be legendary. And since their aim is to die no consequence can touch them. Unbound by and inhibition of ethics or morality what is to discourage them and the rewards are massive. Rolling Stone turned the Boston bomber in to a rock star. Is it any wonder that they can find suicide bombers in the middle east or a mad man in a motel window in Las Vagus? Step back and look at the larger picture of the society we are building. That is where the problems and ultimately the solutions lie. The gun doesn't matter. Next time it will be a pressure cooker. Fertilizer. Poison. Or a germ. The means don't matter. And Bill O'reilly is a smart man. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

Full auto isn't the problem. The can heating up isn't the problem. The issue is that the bullet is super sonic and you can't get rid of the crack. The mic doesn't do the sound justice because it saturates. It can pick up the concussion of the muzzle blast better then it can the crack of the bullet so you get a distorted impression of what is still quite loud. Plus the camera was behind the gun. Much louder for any one in front of it. However, although not hearing safe it is still much nicer for the shooter. Or some one standing beside him. Like me for example when I'm at the range. I very much appreciate the effort some one has gone through when they have a can when they are shooting beside me. It's night and day in comparison to the muzzle blast. And if the SHARE act, look it up and support it with your congressman, passes I promise to return that curtesy. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

A stainless or titanium can, yes you will destroy it. Never the less this is what you get when you stop teaching children math in school. Even full auto that pulse is still way drawn out. You nolonger get the big shock wave from the gas expanding in a big normal shock wave. That's why it suppresses the flash. It slows the gas down preventing the muzzle blast from forming that big wave front and reigniting the unburnt combustion products when the temp spikes in the shock wave. That's why no flash. That's why a bear muzzel has such a big flash and why muzzle breaks that reflect the gas are even brighter. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

I love hickok45. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

We got an SOT a while back so we could make suppressors for a company building MP-5's It's a really nice SD can. One guy here in perticuler has a lot of class three toys including a lot of cans. I think he has more money then since. I don't think I could ever justify spending $35,000 on a gun which is what a transferable full auto MP-5 cost. You can get an incanel can or some exotic shit that will hold up under full auto just fine. The other day we were doing full mag dumps through it as fast as we could change them. We only did like four 30's but it was enough to get the can up to temp. We were testing a cover for it. The basilfill browned but held together but the kevlar thread died. Point is you can get a auto rated can if you want to drop the change. And there is nothing quiet about it. It is still good and loud. As to cooling. Most of the work is done by letting the gas expand and slowing it down before it exits the can. But there is an element of heat transfer in which the gas is cooled by the can. That does reduce the volume of the gas. There have been designs that used packing to absorb that heat. They pack steel wool into areas of the suppressor. It absorbs the heat with all the surface area. You can also run a can wet where you smear something like, white lithium grease on surfaces or into this packing. It absorbs the heat when it vaporizes cooling the gas. Tends to make more smoke and stink but there are several things you can use that way. Only last for a couple of shots till it's gone and the can is hot. But these were ligament methods for building suppressors back in the day back before they started calling every thing a component and forbidding you to replace them. Wipes... don't get me started. You see that's why we need to deregulate this shit. So we can have cheep ass proper cans with packing and wipes instead of trying to turn one can into a life long investment. Support the SHARE act! Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

https://www.inventables.com/technologies/x-carve?gclid=CIO_odn8x8cCFQIEaQodHU4I5g An example of what could be done. If you look at vinal sign cutting technology you'll see some of the soft ware you might need. If you have a directional knife then you have to have an axis to rotate it along with the soft ware like the sign cutter. If it's just an omni directional pin point that a plotter like this is all you'd need Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

And in perfect timing... IT'S HERE!! It showed up this morning at the post office. I have soft ware problems on my computer or I'd post pictures of my new baby like any other proud parent. It's a monster. 50 cal with a freakin huge silencer, sorry I mean "Sound Moderator", on it. Workmanship is actually very nice. And it came with an incredibly nice case. Embroidered reinforced soft/hard case. Like a smaller version of a golf club case. Nicest give away I've ever seen. Of course it was a grand... As to suppressors used in shootings. If he's shooting supersonic then you still have the crack of the shock wave. How loud some thing is is very difficult to measure. A lot of it depends on where you place microphones and you actually need a very good microphone to measure changes in noise level with out it maxing out. Bottom line is that a supersonic round is not quiet even fired through a very good suppressor. Depending on how you measure it like... 90% the noise level of suppressed. It does make it less directional. It also removes a lot of the signature, like flash. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

Rodger Nelson story. So I was a very young sky diver. The old guys, my heroes, that ran the drop zone that I learned at, A little cessna dropzone called Seagullville, the unholy trinity of Doc, Bobby, and Couch, were old friends of Rodger Nelson. They had actually met each other at Freak Brothers back in the day in side one of the speakers, long story. Couch in particular was friends with Rodger. They had stayed in touch corresponding over the years when he was in prison. They'd talked for years about him coming down to Texas for a visit after he got out. Turned out to be more difficult then you would think, he was on probation and it took a while to get permission for him to travel out of state, etc. Eventually it did happen and I finally had a chance to meat the legendary Rodger Nelson. I expected him to be taller. In any case it was a big dinner party at a fancy restaurant where the floor was covered with peanut shells. We have slightly different standards of fine dining here in the loan star state. During the course of the meal he stood up and gave a speech/story about his tale of woe, how he went to jail, and how the support of the people there had helped him through that time. It included the story of this government conspiracy, the CIA, some guy named Berry Seal and how he and every one had been betrayed and wrongly jailed. I had never heard of Berry Seal and honestly I stopped lessening about half way through this. It just sounded insane and I seriously wondered if this guy had lost his mind while he was behind bars. I mean, no story that wild could possible be true. It wasn't too long after that that I saw this movie with Dennis Hopper on cable about some guy named Berry Seal. And I was like, No way, That can't possible be true. In retrospect I wish I'd actually payed attention and listened more to that story. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

False alarm. No rifle. The e-mail I received said that my order was shipped. Yesterday the loading tube showed up in the mail but no sign of the rifle. USPS tracking simply said that the package was delivered. After running around in circles with the USPS for 24 hours thinking that a 50 cal suppressed rifle was floating in the wind I get a response from silencer co. No shipment. The rifle was never sent just the tube. It's still on back order. So it may be a unicorn after all. I guess ordering two hours after the ad went up was too slow. Must have sold out in the first five min. Makes me wonder if any exist beyond the prototype that the photographed for their add. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

Conversation is getting interesting. If you think about it much of what you say agrees with my statements. Lets take blackout as an example. H110 or Lil'gun are actually very fast burning powders for the sectional density of bullets setting on top of the powder. It's basically a cylindrical case, dimintionally close to a 357 mag but with 220gr to 245gr of lead setting on top of it that's a lot of compression. It's a tall column of lead forming that piston. That is actually a very good example of a heavy bullet fast burning powder combination. And it does a very good job of burning up the powder early in the barrel. Other examples of relatively fast burning powders. Accurate No.2 would be an example. It's a fast burning pistol powder intended for really short barrels like concealed carry pistols. A lot of them are between 2.5 and 3 inches. That's a short barrel, breach face to muzzle, on a simiauto. Slower burning powders just make a lot of flash out of that short of a barrel. So using 9mm as an example. There is load data for No.2 up to 147 grain bullets. If you put that in a longer barrel, like a 10 or 16 inch carbine... The pressure really starts to drop off by the time it uncorks. Every thing we're talking about here is established load data complying with the published SAAMI chamber pressures. You don't have to get weird. In fact if it's a subsonic load you're often running much lower pressures. There is no reason to ever risk a case failure. With out question there are barrel lengths that are ballisticly optimal. But in this case you may be looking to optmise for other things. Beyond the point where the powder is consumed the velocity curve does flatten off. The standard deviation in velocity does increase. But does that really matter if your shooting subsonic? When you get beyond 100 yards your really stretching it on a subsonic shot. Not saying you can't do it but the drop starts to increase rapidly. BC doesn't help it's just gravity drop. No way around it. So does a small increase in the SD of your muzzle velocity really matter at that point? Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com