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Are you sure? I always had the impression that since local jails were mostly small time offenders, the risk of violence and gangrape would be significantly reduced. Never been to jail so I don't really know but, it would seem that there would at least be that distinction. Being in a max pen with hardened criminals, murderers gangsters and guys who are never going to get out and have nothing to lose would scare me to death (I would still be somewhat nervous if sent to a local jail). My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

Good. I found it embarrassing the way our previous "leadership" used to always want to be seen with him. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

I do not follow. Do you mean there does not appear to be a good reason for him to be shown the door? It is a fact that he lived in afghanistan rather than canada. It is a fact that he took terrorist training. It is a fact that he fought against coalition troops. Where is the speculation? I am not even looking for him to be punished, I simply want him to be deported. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

Hatred? no. Anger certainly, rage perhaps. As others have pointed out he may be able to claim that he was a legal combattant, and I would respect the courts ruling on that. What I am furious about is the fact that him and his family had the audacity to claim that canada owed them something despite the fact that they were quite willing to fight against our troops. I would have no problem with him being an enemy combattant and fighting against us if he wanted to live there. I respect any soldier of any country who fought regardless of which side they were on. Even in the case of the taliban troops (not neccessarily al-qaeda despite the talibans support of al-qaeda) while I despise the government they fought for, I beleive that they should be treated humanely when captured. But if he felt so strongly about the taliaban and afghanistan that he would fight for them against us, why now does he suddenly want to come and live in canada? Even if afghanistan is not taliban anymore there are plenty of other countries in that region where he will be surrounded by like-minded individuals and feel right at home? Where does he get the balls to say that the very country he would take up arms against now owes him something simply because he had the fortune of slipping through the cracks earlier on. Why would it be morally wrong to pull in the welcome matt and tell him to seek residency elsewhere? My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

If you want to live somewhere else then live somewhere else. If these people have abandoned the country to live somewhere else then they should make a choice. In particular canadians do take exception to this citizen of convenience crap where immigrants come here, shit out a few babies and then leave to go pursue whatever agenda they want (including killing canadians and americans), or simply contributing to their own economy while coming back here whenever they need surgury or need to get out of dodge. When they fuck up anywhere else they suddenly become "patriotic canadians" and scream about their fucking charter rights. But I suppose because that bothers me I must be a racist or anti-immigrant. Anyone who doesn't bend to take their PC assfucking must be a racist. This peice of dogshit omar should be given a fair trial, but if the results of that fair trial are that he is a legal combatant and not a criminal, then at the least he should be forced to stay in the region he so desperately wanted to fight for. And if you want to try putting the hypocrite label on me, allow me to head that off by saying that I would want the same thing for any german citizen who left to fight for hitler...stay in germany. We should have the right to strip the citizenship of immigrants who clearly did not come here in good faith, or who clearly have reconsidered their devotion to this country. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

Fair enough to say that with respect to the legal trial, but why does he suddenly want to come live in the society he hates so much? Why will we let him? He apparently spent his whole life over their in terroristan, he has been indoctrinated to hate us, he fought against us, he has wet dreams about destroying us or subjugating us to islam yet, we have to accept him because "he is one of us Canadians". He's no Canadian! Just because his bitch mother happened to be squatting here when she squeezed him out of her stink-hole does not make this twat-turd one of us. Incedentally if he has been sooooo misled about our society and in his heart beleives that we are so bad then why when he was caught over there did he suddenly have so much faith in our society that the first thing he did was pull out his passport and go "I am Canadian....see...see...I have passport that says so"? He is a lot more switched on than people give him credit for. He is not a lost little boy! He is a thug who knows exactly how to play our naive society's heart strings, and he knows for a fact that we are too PC to do anything but bend over for the assfucking that him and his family are giving us. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

Fair enough, but what about has status as a "Canadian"? Should we not be able to do something about this citizen of convenience business? My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

I'm not trying to be a jerk about this but you haven't answered my question. What is your personal opinion on this situation? My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

I can appreciate your desire to be objective on this, but I guess this is just such a sore spot for us up here that we find it difficult to maintain a sense of clinical detachment. While I acknowledge that we in the west have exercised "situational ethics" in the past, I really wish I could figure out specifically what you think of this situation. Does it not bug you at all that someone who has dedicated his life to jihad, and fought for a foreign power conveniently pulls out his passport when things go tits up, and is going to come back here and live like a canadian. Is there not a bitter aftertaste to the fact that we are allowing him to live here even though he clearly has nothing but contempt for our country and would love to destroy yours? Is everything simplified into a constitutional definition? http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/khadr/ http://www.thestar.com/article/208502 My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

Welcome to the Brave New World. It's sad really. To be honest, if I was an American I would be pissed off at Canada for this sort of crap. If you were turning a blind eye while canada-hating terrorists were raising funds in your country to plan attacks against us I would be furious. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

This is like griping that it's the concert venue's fault that you got thrown out for taking pictures, when the tickets and signs at the door said "No cameras". You agreed to their conditions when you went into the venue. Not the same thing. If I bring a camera into a concert I get kicked out, not someone else. I agree with enforcing the rules but how many people have had their parents do embarrassing things when they were growing up? I'm sure that when the parents were screeching and cheering, the kid was probably thinking "shut the fuck up mom...this is embarrassing". To add insult to injury, the school now penalises the kid for what he wished his parents wouldn't do. Kick the parents out, don't penalise the kid. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

Oh man, that is fucking sad. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

Agreed. The whole anti-americanism thing has always been a sore point with me. I have some family in the US although most are in Canada. I recall when I was younger it was fun to go back and forth with each-other; them mimicking us for "aboot" and "eh", while we gave back about "y'all" and "ruf" but it was always good natured ribbing. As time passed I noticed an ugly trend within Canada where our culture developed this obsession with bashing americans. I will state when I feel the US is wrong but I always found the whole US bashing thing to reflect badly on us. Precisely My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

I second that. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

What I cannot understand is how any American can get on this forum and defend this guy yet some are doing it. Doesn't it bother anyone that Canada provides haven to international thugs who would be thrilled to kill americans. There was an interview with Omars Mother and sister that I watched on the news. They openly stated that they hated america and would support any war against it. When asked about some of the horrible executions the taliban inflicted on people they stated that these people had offended islam and deserved it. When they talked about september 11 they refered to it as a good thing. When asked if they felt bad about the lives lost they were OK with that. During the interview they showed them the footage of one of the men who had jumped from the trade center to avoid burning to death; it showed the long fall as the man plumetted to his death and the interviewer asked something to the effect of ..... "do you feel any sympathy for this man, for what he must have been going through?" The sister responded ..."it made me feel good, the americans deserved that" They stated that they would be proud to have their brothers/sons die as martyrs for islam. They seem to conveniently lose their passport every time they go to the middle east (the government finally stopped giving them more). The father died fighting against the americans, a three brothers were captured fighting against the americans. One was badly wounded an is now back in the very part of the world he hates, soaking up our health care dollars that should be going to real human beings. Yet Canada treats them like Canadians with all the rights and priviledges, while they soak up our services and plan creative new ways to kill americans from the safety of canada. It's embarassing. Where does it stop? When does Canada finally have the balls to say enough is enough? Alternately when does the US finally tell canada to shape up and stop harbouring threats against them? The Khadrs are not the only famous american-killing family. Khadiga Gurhan the wife of Somali warlord Mohamed Farah Aideed (the guy the americans were going after when their choppers were shot down and 18 were killed), was living in London Ontario at the time working with other somalian newcomers to defraud the welfare system to send money back to support her husbands militia. The canadian government did not have the balls to deport her when they found out what she was doing. When you look at the picture of that dead american soldier being dragged through the streets of mogadishu, while Aideeds wife was here getting funds for his militia as the canadian government stood by and did nothing (out of fear of losing special interest votes) does it not piss you off? These are the more famous cases. There are plenty more that are not that famous. Why do we let this happen? Why will I be called a closet racist using this as a red herring to forward some insidious agenda, simply because I am sick to death of this shit? Why can I not dare suggest that we remove these parasites? Because of the Charter? We as an intelligent society are trained to question everything. We can question authority, we can question our morals, we can even question the existence of god, yet no-one should dare question the supreme wisdom of those who wrote the charter/constitution. If hyothetically, some mathematical proof showed that by following the charter/constitution we will face disaster, people will still stick to it because it is our new god, and we will follow it blindly and stupidly! My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

So his parents basically birthed him here so he could get the passport for convenience in the future. Is this supposed to make him someone that canada should care about? I certainly would be fine with forgetting about him and leaving him in guantanamo There should be. If someone's parents birth someone here and then immediately whisk him off to their homeland because now he is a "canadian", we should be able to strip him of his citizenship. There has to be some process to eliminate this citizen of convenience crap. His family are not immigrants, they're parasites who never should have been let in, and should be forced out. He should have stayed then. We can't have this nonsense of ..."come to canada, fuck, get pregnant and squeeze out a pup and...bingo! Canada now has lifelong obligation to you wherever you go." I guess I can't blame that fuckfilth for being fuckfilth because that is what he is, but I can blame our government for not haveing the balls to risk losing a few votes by saying "sorry sport, you're no longer canadian. Hows the weather in Cuba?" Quote whatever section of the constitution you want; it doesn't change the fact that Canada is being fucked in the ass by a family that despite their passport are clearly not Canadian in any real way. Assholes like this know how to use our own rules against us and will eventually beat us because we will stick to them in spite of all evidence that says doing so means we will lose. We have a charter yes, but we also have a notwithstanding clause. I suggest we use it! My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

THAT depends on how useful they would be. The USA welcomed Wernher von Braun with open arms and he was responsible for killing a whole lot of Allied civilians and servicemen. I do not know the story on him but I will look it up. I understand that in the past we have made the proverbial "deal with the devil" on many occasions. Some Nazi's cooperated withour nuclear development, and I am sure we use ex-terrorists as sources in offer of immunity. As a matter of fact Khadr's brother was used by the CIA as a source of intel and he cooperated in return for immunity. He is now back here. This is no different than when our courts offer immunity to a hitman provided he acts as a witness (Sammy Gravano, Yves Trudeau) against his former associates. I don't like it but if it is neccesary so be it. In the case of this guy, the issue is one of him having nothing to offer in return yet we will likely be taking him back simply to prevent the loss of votes from the muslim community. I do not suggest that we are always consistent with our ethics, but this particular family's case bugs me due to the fact that they are blatanty using of our country while living in complet contempt of it, and our government could do something about it, if it wasn't for fear that they would lose the special interest vote. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

It is the idea that he would go over in the first place to serve with the taliban knowing their hostile stance towards the west. Even if he is not charged, it leaves many people including myself a little bit put off when a guy who made clear his disdain for western vaules and way of life by going over there to support islamic jihad, expects to be able to come back here and live in our society. He hates the west (including canada), yet was willing to live here and be educated here. When he got what he wanted he left to go fight against the west (and if you look at al queda's rhetoric he had to know he was supporting plans against the west including canada). Now that things didn't work out he first pulls out the passport of the country he abandoned, he demands consular support, and wants to come back. If he beleives so much in islamic jihad he can certainly find it somewhere over there. Why now does he want to come here? My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

Right, forgot, you came into the war late. Would they be viewed as heroes if they went to fight for the German army, against American troops? Would you want them to come back after the fact and benefit from living in America? My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

In the case of Canada, Australia, Ireland, USA and New Zealand, and India Our countries made a choice to send people to support these war efforts. Poland was invaded by germany so they were protecting their homeland. Britain was in cooperation with the ousted Polish leadership. No clue what Palestine was doing there (I am not a big history buff, I just know the basics). In the case of the second world war, I would apply a similar principle as I am here. Any Canadian who went to fight for the Germans or Japanese I would consider a traitor. I would expect them to stay there after the war instead of coming back here. If someone feels so strongly about their homeland that they will leave canada and go back to fight against our troops, then they should have the character to stay there instead of coming back here to enjoy the benefits of our system when it's over. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

That is the sad truth. Again another sad truth. I don't know but undoubtedly our society will defend his right to do so. If you and I were to question it too heavily we would be called intolerant and accused of using him as a red herring to forward some insidious agenda My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

I really do hope so. To be frank, I felt that if he managed to get out, Canada would not have the guts to try him for his betrayal. As a matter of fact his whole family lives here including two brothers who were already captured in afghanistan; one of whom was severely wounded and is now a drain on our health care system. Therefore, while some may question the fairness of those tribunals, I was counting on those tribunals to provide the justice/consequence this guy deserved and which he would not have received back here. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

OK thanks From a moral perspective would you want to see this guy be able to come back and live here? My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

The charges as an unlawful combatant have been dropped. That makes him a lawful combatant which I suspect should make him a POW now (lawyers please help). This means they do not have to release him. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

She does push the limits but she is funny http://youtube.com/watch?v=i0EHc2yGDME http://youtube.com/watch?v=NxaohwlZY2g My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.