bigtexan

911 was his too - so was killing everyone with the flood etc... or do we not like to think he killed everyone in the flood - we don't like to think of it like that eh do we... oh, and then he burned em in hell for all eternity - their burrning there right now .. right?

so you would or would not provide 'your child' with BC..? we know your view on it, but would you do it any way?

that is easy to explain - just go ask any college professor in physics and you will find they 'ALL' will basically give you the same answer - they will give you the same answer because this event does not defy physics.. not to belittle the importance to you that this occured - beleive me - I am so glad your boy was safe - however - I would not consider it a miricle. this has happened many times to many people - some get the weight distribution just right and are not even injured - others dont and are not so lucky - to varying degrees.

you know - i would love for an after life to be a reality as I really do not want to stop existing... however - i just see no indications that it will be otherwise. if I could just beleive it will be and it would be then that would be sweet - but I do not beleive this to be the case. if science could provide a basis for me to beleive that a specific releigion would provide this for me, then I would welcome it and embrace it - so I do not see a problem with trying to use science to validate a beleife system or to invalidate it. i mean we want to live forever - don't we? with out this desire - we wouldn't have these releigions which all offer a solution to this one desire on our part... to exist forever. so if science can help me pick the right one, yea.. maybe science can find a way for me to live forever with out releigion, what happens to releigion then?

NC - can you explicitly state your view on this matter - I'm not sure what your saying. what is your view on this matter again?

releigious people should not be allowed to use the word proof.. period. they have no idea what proof is. if there was one shred of proof for any given releigion then there would be only one releigion because 'proof' is undeniable and certifiable by any and all reguardless of time or place.. cha!

your equating being a slut with using birthcontrol, having sex etc... I want my daughters (note plural) to grow up with a healthy and happy sex life - not a tormented guilt ridden view of sex .. I cannot help but to think you have the latter.

and other comments in your post on this topic.... like ............... this is you thinking of yourself first and what people may think of you should your child do this or that. Not you thinking of the well being of your child and/or the child they may create behind your back. i wonder if you have children. if so - with views like these - it is more likely your the one who is going to be rasing a high school students child - not me.. I am doing my best to prevent this from happening. loves

If 'a god'/'any god' were real, this question would not have been asked and this whole conversation would not have happened. Why does this sentence not make sense.. "he fell off the bed and hit the ceiling" why? well because gravity is real, superstitions are not. loves

na.. humans cannot 'prove' it, with the same rigor as you could say a mathematical proof. who is to say were not the play thing of some god out there somewhere - and that he does have the power to create our world - us, etc... we wouldn't know - it the old evil scientiets thing - are we us, or are we just brains in a bottle - are you the only one and your brain exists alone - I am just a program interacting with your brrain - or program.. or what ever you are. Maybe your a snake in the grass dreamin this whole thige. ever see matrix.. we cannot see out of our box so there fore we can never know what is on the outside. it's called the edge of space/time btw. beyond this limit - all bets are off. iside black holes - all bets are off. we simply do not koww he nature of the universe. -hell, we don't even know what space is. There is a great book ISBN-13: 978-0679454434 "The road to reality" - It's a heavy read and you need a college level mathematics (very string mathematics) backgound to understand it completely. However, it's a great book. here you can get are nice survey on the state of our knowledge of the universe - and in there you will see that a true physicis't view doesn't rule out a god. It just says its damn near zero in possibility - but we just cannot know at this time and may never know. -man my typing was exceptionally bad on this one--

Your right - we cannot prove nor disprove; either side. however - when people start pushing their beleifs on others by trying to get laws in place, by brute force, killing, etc.. (just look at history, abortion, gay marriage, the world is flat, the world is round, the sun is the center of the solar system, etc........ did I say etc..., like as in on and on and on and on and on and on.......the issues never stop) over what they beleive is the way people need to live their lives, the things they can and cannot do, the people they can love, what they can think or not think... well, this is the core of the issue. Beleive in what makes you content. Dont' try to enforce your view on me either directly or inderectly. See, if we tolerated, on both sides, then all of this would go away. Take gay marrage - case in point. Screw religion -their the ones who are intolerant.

just a general question... take STD's and pregnancy out of the picture... what would be wrong with children having sex at 12, 13, 14... I am not condoning this.. just wondering if those two problems with sex were removed, how would our attitude toward age and sex change.. just a random though.

yep.. they don't know when to quit either

Here is a stupid idea - How bout we give the boys some trick condoms - ones with say - 'icy hot' as the lub - both inside and out. Then - when they get up the nerve, find the oppertunity, they immediatly get a negative association with sex and maybe they will abstaine for a while. It'd be sorta like the pill that makes you sick if you use tobacco. We as parents need to keep this a top secret tatic in our bag o tricks. Then - we could probably find out what they were up to if they start to walk funny some day, like after a date or something.. Just my stupid idea for the day.

Simple and honest agressivness that she wants 'me', and now!

This question reguarding birth control is not about supporting sex - it's about protecting your child, and more importantly, protecting a child from being born to incapable parents. Children are a blessing or a curse - depends on the circumstances of the parents. Sex is a wonderful thing and has been corrupted by relegious zelots for too long. Sexual maturity is reached by the body independantly of our cultural environment. Sexual maturity is the point in time that biology says that our bodies are redy for sex and/or child bearing. Birth control is a tool we manufactured to assits our society with the complications of being a parent in todays complex environment where ones ability to economically support a child has been postponed to an age beyond the bodies biological age to create a child. Thus birth control is a tool to bring stability to our modern society by allowing individuals to postpone parenthood until their ability to economically support a child is developed enough that they do not need total support from others; instead, they can postpone safely parenthood until they can parent with confidence and provide a stable and healtly enviroment for a new individual thus increasing the odds that the child will have a fighting chance in todays society. Birth control is a damn good thing. More people should wise up to the real world and not the ideal world they have in their mind/church/etc... Sex needs to be accepted as something we all desire as our biological clock matures, and parenthood needs to be protected against in todays society until the ability to economically support the a child is reached. Thus - birth control, in my opinion, is something a responsible parent would provide for their child to protect their child in a way that provides a better chance for their child to acheive economic independance in todays society before embarking on parenthood. EDIT to address the topic: Providing birthcontrol is different than encouraging sex. You should educate your children on sex, protect them from undesired parenthood by educating and or supplying birthcontrol - but you can supply birthcontrol and discourage sex at the same time.

So, take your pick - which one is right - are you christian because most of the people around you have been shouveling this down your throat since you were born - or is it because you came to it by some other means - like Newton came to find Gravity? (src of data is wiki - but we all know bout how accurate that is.. but these numbers seem reasonable - and provide fitting material for this discussion) NOTE: Many, many, many others left out and/or forgotten over time. 01. Christianity 2.1 billion (see below) 02. Islam 1.3 billion (see below) 03. Non-Adherent (Secular/Atheist/Irreligious/Agnostic/Nontheist) 1.1 billion 04. Hinduism 900 million (see below) 05. Chinese folk religion 394 million (see below) 06. Buddhism 376 million 07. Primal indigenous ("Pagan") 300 million 08. African traditional and diasporic 100 million 09. Sikhism 23 million 10. Juche 19 million 11. Spiritism 15 million 12. Judaism 14 million 13. Bahá'í Faith 7 million 14. Jehovah's Witnesses 6.5 million 15. Jainism 4.2 million 16. Shinto 4 million (see below) 17. Cao Dai 4 million 18. Zoroastrianism 2.6 million 19. Tenrikyo 2 million 20. Neo-Paganism 1 million 21. Unitarian Universalism 800,000 22. Rastafari movement 600,000 I also find it funny that #1 and #2 seem to be fighting alot through history..

the problem with religions is not that they exist, nor what they believe; but when they impose their beliefs/values on others with force of any kind. this tends to be the case 'most' of the time; they either try or try and succeed to force their view on others. Therefore, it is my view that it is my duty to undermine these releigios systems at every oppertunity.

man is this bogus... tell you what - take my someone - kill them - then have your god bring them back to talk to me... I will beleive then.. really I would. Beleive me, I would with out a doubt be a convert at that instant. That whole verse is bogus!

Shouldn't it be suitable for a 5-yoa. ? Just how old do you have to be to understand the truth. Either there is a 'your god', or there isn't. Please - no disrespect - you beleife is personal to you. I respect that - my hostility comes from christians belief that they should desiminate their beliefs - it's their duty etc.. and they prey on the 5-yoa's before they are old enough to reason for them selves.

your right -- 'you' don't send them - your not god. as for freewill.... my freewill says reason trumps myth and those not capable of reason deserve to beleive in 'happly ever after'. those with reasonable abilities to reason what is likely to be true and what is likely to be myth say releigion is most likely a myth - though no one can know for sure since who has credible evidence of what happens after death - umm.. cha.. no one! .. find me one credible resource of life after death that stands up to the simple quality of truness that gravity exists and if you jump out of da plane (with out any funny business here) your gonna go toward the ground. everyone knows, if you drop the apple, it goes to the ground. That is fact. Releigion is myth. loves again...

then you sent 90% or more of everyone whom ever lived to burn in hell - now that sure sounds like a loving god to me... not..

I liked your post btw...

wether right or not was not my point...the whole idea of burrning in hell for all etirnity is a seriously demented concept and those whom think that this could/would/should be required by their releigion - well, they are no better than those sitting in the stadium burning the people in the arena. they can quite frankly - just go to hell.

I don't think you will be going anywhere sept where you came from. Say, what do you remember about where you came from; or are your first memories those of childhood? That blackness before your first memory - that will be there waiting for you when you leave this world, just like it was there before you came into this world. Your beleife in the releigion you are involved with is a product of your environment and nothing more - had you grown up else where - your may have a completely different releigion. Which one is right, they cannot all be that is for sure; so which one is it. Are you going to be so bold as to say yours is right and send the majority of the world to your place called hell. To me that makes you quite upleasant if you beleive anyone whom does not beleive as you do will burn for ever in hell. What a way to live your life. It's sorta funny you know. Say you and your family go to heaven, and me and mine go to hell. I cannot help but see a place not unlike the roman arena where all sorts of hell was wraught. There in the arena are the non beleivers (for your releigion that is) and in the audiance is the beleivers (the rightous sp?) all cheering - turn up the fire - woohoo, turn up the flames, damn, did you see the skin burn off that child, his poor daddy tried to hold him - rip him apart and burn him again.. whoohooo.... guess yall will be doing this for all eternity - seems to me yall should be going to hell for thinking this way. now - the argument that you will not be aware of this as it is going on is just bogus as it was the motivator for you to place your beliefs in this releigion in the first place .. you don't want to be in the arena, you want to be in the audiance. Who wouldn't - but still - the whole idea is just crap. Blackness - that is what awaits you when you die - just don't kill my family because I don't beleive like yours. loves -