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right picture it's like the yellow one...

Kris it's the same as the suit in this picture, but with more restrained colouring. did 3 flights with it this weekend because we had a CPC event at our DZ and the canopy I had in my rig for that scares me little in a big wingsuit I really liked it though, except for all the flapping the wings made under canopy. I could probably fix that by using a slower canopy though.

how does that sound? it sounds like you have a spectacular surprise waiting in your future and you are being blinded by your arrogance from seeing it don't expect much sympathy when it happens with that attitude done

So let me get this right: all your previous aerials were from 876 ft and above (slider up, I assume?), then 3 single gainers (all slider off?, all laid out?), from 486 ft and that is the point you felt ready to throw a double from 486ft? I’m curious as to where the ‘retard-jump’ fit into this well planned progression?

yeah dude I have 350 wingsuit jumps with 2 Protracks and around 150 with my Neptune also. Luke makes a valid point about feedback from other users. It is a good way to get information if you can evaluate the source. It has issues, but Alti-2 are making effort to address them and improve the software continually. Hopefully they will get it to the point that it logs all my wingsuit flights correctly. I can understand that some people would want to wait until then before dropping the money on one.

Hey Tree I don’t understand why you should not open up (to slow your rotation and get your legs straight behind you in case you pitch while still vertical) before you pitch?? I think we all agree that you have an angle window of about 180 degrees from head down vertical to head up vertical for the safest pitch. Pitching in the rotation, especially on multiple/fast rotations makes this angle window a small time window. Opening up during your last rotation will slow your rotational speed and make the time window bigger and therefore easier to hit accurately. I do not see any drawbacks (other than making your delay longer) to opening up on your last rotation and straightening your legs, as long as they are straight and you have rotated past head down vertical before you pitch. Please share your reasoning as to why this is not good? Coco – I am not pretending like I am the flawless aerialist here, far from it, I realize how shitty it feels to be upside down in the rotation and feel your pilot chute bounce off your foot, because I have done that (and was lucky enough to get away with it). I just want you to think about these things as I have seen them injure very experienced jumpers. Did you try going flat and stable while getting thrown over the side first? I somehow doubt you did. Also, there are more effective ways to get a rotation started from a normal forward launch than what you did. Maybe you should have learned those first by launching out far and then turning a gainer.

Software version 2.6.0 B How do I set the mode you refer to? Is it by selecting ‘Birdman’ from the alarms rather than ‘Group 1’ or such? Looks like I was on ‘Group 1’ rather than ‘Birdman’, but I have changed it now. I will pick up my new wingsuit from the UPS depot later today, so I will know early this weekend if this has helped. Matt - see my question about the modes above. - I have had more consistent results from my Protracks and they have been much harder to fool into thinking I've deployed when I have not. The upside of the Neptune is that it will still give you the averages when it wrongly thinks you've deployed, in fact it probably still has the data available for download too. The absolute bomb for wingsuit freefall logging is my Suunto X6, other than only doing 2 second intervals, manual start and stop means I get the whole jump every time. Cya Sam

Nice work dude! That was some quality flailing right there. I really like how you’ve ignored all the times previously that people have suggested maybe you should slow down a little before you hurt yourself. If you are going to jump in stupidly windy conditions please learn to handle your canopy on the ground – it’s embarrassing to other basejumpers when you are dragged around the landing area or spend an eternity wrestling around your canopy in the wind after landing. Makes the spectators think we are no-skill yahoos. Your single gainer was nice. Your double was too until you pulled early. Keep doing that and you will bounce your pilot chute off your foot at some point if you’re lucky, if you’re unlucky you will get it entangled on you somewhere. Also, keep jumping in skate shoes from wet exit points and sooner or later you will slip on launch. That will be very exciting when it happens. I’m also curious as to why you would bother wearing a helmet that provides practically no real impact protection? You certainly gave that video clip an apt name, too bad it applied to 2 of the 3 jumps on there… I would have been nice, but so many people have been nice on here with you before that I’m not gonna bother. Cya Hopefully…

I beg to differ. Scott Bland updated my Neptune at Z-Flock 2.0 and it still regularly logs 0 second delays for a lot of my wingsuit jumps.

sounds like a good plan IBPB number of jumps: 236 number of injuries: 0

That sig-line does not say throw hard. It says throw like your life depends on it. If you have reason to believe that you are more likely to survive with a less vigorous throw and that a gentle placement is your best chance, then that would be throwing like your life depends on it. For the objects and conditions that I jump, I prefer an off-heading to pilot chute hesitation just about every time, so that makes my decision kind of easy.

not to degrade the thread any further, but that is simply not true I've seen 3 people go over 4 seconds before pitching their pilot chutes and they all lived. One even had a slider. They all landed in the water and the only injuries were due to hard slider off openings and some trees in the water. I have two of these jumps on video and that is why I am confident they went over 4 seconds.

thanks Chuck! I know what you're saying, but I really dislike doing it because of all the flapping the legwing does then. cya

Wazzup Matt! Get a Phantom with the backvents then. The wings on the Phantom are plenty big enough that after only 20 jumps on the suit, I’m easily getting 3 minute skydives from 14 000 ft in it compared to 3:15 – 3:30 for my S3 once I had like 300 jumps on that and got it modified. Forward speed on your back is a major issue if you fly a big suit and want to flock. I always end up throttling back the forward speed on my back when flocking because people can’t keep up. Like Luke said, with a big tailwing flying dirty on your back is not easy. Either that or hit the gym and muscle up! Cya

I disagree. The pilot chute throw that is taught to just about every skydiver is not what a basejumper should be using. Learning how to pitch properly should be part of every FJC (and it is of all the major ones that I know of). So, to clarify, since the IBPB is not a sketchy exit point and you are unlikely to need to track: you go handheld as default from your hometown object?

Stowed. If I can do a 2 second delay then I have trouble imagining a scenario that would make me want to go handheld. It depends on your PC throw more than anything else. With a good throw and properly sized PC I would say there is no risk of that on a 2 second delay. That risk only exists with a bad PC throw or some rigging error. I go stowed because I am confident I can get my PC out where it needs to be in time (and that I understand where that is). I prefer stowed over handheld because it allows me an easier climb-out, a more natural feeling running exit, a more symmetrical launch, the option of doing an aerial and it is quicker to exit. I will sometimes go handheld due to object height, but that only really applies to objects where I would not be willing and/or able to do a 2 second delay. I will also go handheld in high tailwinds if I cannot do at least a 2 second delay. I see it this way: - when I jump, I am betting my life that my canopy will open and will open in time - when I freefall, I am also betting my life that I will pitch my pilot chute in time and properly to allow my canopy to open in time - when I go stowed I am also betting my life that I will grab my PC in time to pitch it in time to allow the canopy to open in time doing a good pilot chute pitch stowed is more technically complicated and requires more co-ordination and precision than going handheld, so this ups the ante even more it’s all about what you are willing to bet your life on Pitching a stowed pilot chute properly is a skill that every basejumper should learn. The better and more consistent you are at it, the lower you can do it. Just remember what you are betting on. Cya Sam

close Avery, but your link is wrong, here, I corrected it for you: Bird suit for absolute beginner To the original poster: Have a look at what you have in the area for wingsuits instructors, go speak to them and actually check out their suits. Getting input from more than one instructor will give you a better perspective, especially if they are affiliated with different manufacturers. Pick one, do a WS first flight course with them and demo as many of their suits as you can. I bought a S3 for my first wingsuit after flying Classics and GTi’s for 20 jumps, but that was against manufacturers recommendations and would’ve been a bad choice if I did not dedicate all my skydives to wingsuit flying for the next year and a half. I see a lot of recommendations for specific suits here, I have 3 different suits from 2 manufacturers and the one that stands out as the most practical but still great performing is the Prodigy. To be really honest though, any wingsuit can bore you if you’re not into it or you do not play around with it. On the flipside, no wingsuit will bore you in a few hundred jumps if you work it! Lacing a suit on and off a rig gets pretty old quick though. So unless you have rig to dedicate to your wingsuit, the Prodigy is the least hassle option and that will matter. Cya Sam

if you are referring to a strong tailwind, or cross-tailwind from the right (left if you are a left hand BOC freak), then going handheld with the bridle properly routed and the correct amount of slack is the best way to assure that you do not get the pc and then bridle under your arm going stowed in those conditions will greatly increase the probability of getting the pc and then the bridle under your arm If I have interpreted your statement incorrectly, please advise, if not, I would be interested in your reasoning behind this. Thanks dude Sam

well I guess it was just a matter of time until someone stepped up and out-did Purple Mike with wingsuit LOUDNESS!! cue James Bond voice: "my name is: very Pink, A-very Pink"

Hey now That one crackhead wasn’t begging for money – she was earning it for sure! Packed – only two rigs, but mostly that’s enough. This thread about you? Almost, but not quite yet. Sticking around for a CPC debrief and awards when you could be out doing some real jumping is a real sign of still having fairly normal priorities…

can't read the instructions, eh? I think you mean: (613) 445 1887

Dear Abby (NOT Abbie, so don’t even bother replying, fatby…) I have a friend (not me!) who might have a basejumping addiction. It seems these days people are telling him that he has a jumping problem and it may be affecting his everyday life. He doesn’t think it’s a problem, in fact, I think he’s trying to figure out how to jump even more than he does now. How do I know if my friend has a jumping problem? Is there some kind of support group our counseling available for persons with jumping addictions? I have heard of a 12 step program and mentioned it to him, but he said he is currently on a 1 step program and that it is working pretty good for him. Thanks, Friend-of-busy-jumper.

I think those trees are more in the 60-70ft range. I saw the jump from the bridge and then I rode the bus up with Miles and Shane after. From what I saw the tree saved Miles' ass. What Miles and Shane said in the bus was that the tree saved his ass. The second one they did went very smoothly, partly due to the fact that they changed the jump to give themselves more time and altitude to safely perform it.

3 very good points I have to agree with skreamer about point 4 and with you about the simple errors. How is your bro doing? cya sam

How to check if you have determined the root cause of a failure: -repeat the process while changing what you believe to be the root cause. If this has the effect of switching the failure on and off, you have determined the root cause. Now, you say that exit timing was not the root cause. How would your jump have played out if you exited later and stayed level or above the twins? How similar would it have been if you exited earlier? What would you say was the root cause?